Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[PedjaTarzan]

possibly Planet level with the Nightsoul's Blessing (Unlike the 6 Heroes who use the Nightsoul's to enchance their combat capabilities, the Nightsoul's Blessing that Traveler uses is far superior than the others' as he was blessed by Lord of the Night upon gaining the Pyro element and his Ancient Name "Tumaini". Alongside Mavuika they used a forged claymore Thousand Blazing Suns and used their power to easily overpower and defeat Gosoytoth)

“possibly planet level” (used ******* claymore to have that ap) yeah i was on crack when i made this lmaooo, Mavu should have 5-B via Thousand Blazing suns and trav would just far higher with nightsoul instead

 

[MSahla]

Mavu should have 5-B via Thousand Blazing suns and trav would just far higher with nightsoul instead

What makes that 5-B? Gosoythoth?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

What makes that 5-B? Gosoythoth?

yea because bro needed ronova amp to be even driven away into night kingdom, same
amp said to surpass all archons

 

[MSahla]

yea because bro needed ronova amp to be even driven away into night kingdom, same
amp said to surpass all archons

Make sense, but ain't that already on the Profile via Divine Throne and Ronova's power? Because when both of them (Mav and Trav) pulled out that Weapon, i think it is because Traveler's Ancient Name awakening and Ode of Resurrection.

They used Ronova's power AGAIN when those 6 obsidian totems shows up brought by the Lord of the Night, from there, they can hit Gosoythoth 3 times and then the final blow.

And also, Traveler also can hit Gosoythoth with his Ancient Name Awakening too because we can choose Mavuika or Traveler to hit gosoythoth 3 times.

The final blow is them combining their Power, like Ronova's Power x Tumaini power and Traveler can keep up with that Ronova's power so that would make him 5-B too.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Make sense, but ain't that already on the Profile via Divine Throne and Ronova's power? Because when both of them (Mav and Trav) pulled out that Weapon, i think it is because Traveler's Ancient Name awakening and Ode of Resurrection.

They used Ronova's power AGAIN when those 6 obsidian totems shows up brought by the Lord of the Night, from there, they can hit Gosoythoth 3 times and then the final blow.

And also, Traveler also can hit Gosoythoth with his Ancient Name Awakening too because we can choose Mavuika or Traveler to hit gosoythoth 3 times.

The final blow is them combining their Power, like Ronova's Power x Tumaini power and Traveler can keep up with that Ronova's power so that would make him 5-B too.

give me scans for all this, because i lowkey forgot how fight went (it was too cool for me
to read)

 

[MSahla]

give me scans for all this, because i lowkey forgot how fight went (it was too cool for me
to read)

Heres when the crowd sang the Ode of Resurrection

And then moved to this one when Lord of the Night giving us the quote for Traveler's Ancient name, basically, awakened it.


This is when the Lord of the Night brought 6 totems of obsidian to represent 6 heroes so they can activate ronova's power again


Heres the proof Traveler can also hit Gosoythoth

 

[MSahla]

Heres when the crowd sang the Ode of Resurrection

And then moved to this one when Lord of the Night giving us the quote for Traveler's Ancient name, basically, awakened it.


This is when the Lord of the Night brought 6 totems of obsidian to represent 6 heroes so they can activate ronova's power again


Heres the proof Traveler can also hit Gosoythoth

And then the final blow as we know Traveler and Mavuika literally keep up to each other, both of them are under Ronova's Amp btw.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Heres when the crowd sang the Ode of Resurrection

And then moved to this one when Lord of the Night giving us the quote for Traveler's Ancient name, basically, awakened it.


This is when the Lord of the Night brought 6 totems of obsidian to represent 6 heroes so they can activate ronova's power again


Heres the proof Traveler can also hit Gosoythoth

why bro always use this channel as a source

 

[MSahla]

why bro always use this channel as a source

He play genshin since day 1 or launch, he has every genshin content since 1.0 and he never skipped anything so yeah.. You can find any genshin content in there.

 

[MSahla]

And then the final blow as we know Traveler and Mavuika literally keep up to each other, both of them are under Ronova's Amp btw.

Yeah matter of fact, Traveler should also get 5-B too since both of them (Mavuika and Traveler) were the ones who activated Ronova's Power during their fight against Gosoythoth not only Mavuika, Traveler also can make a hit to Gosoythoth and keep up with Mavuika too.. So why not?

 

[MSahla]

possibly Planet level with the Nightsoul's Blessing (Nightsoul's Blessing can increase combat capabilities. Fought against Gosoytoth in its base form before transforming into Pyro Dragon Sovereign form. Using the Sacred Flame alongside Pyro Traveler, they forged the claymore capable of dealing fatal damage, which was used to later execute Gosoytoth in its Pyro Dragon Sovereign mimic form)

Not to mention, y'all really saying this with that cutscene as if its only her performing that Gosoythoth Execution and Traveler wasn't there keeping up with her so.. Idk why Traveler didn't get the 5-B too

Them in THAT cutscene is under Ronova's power because that is after they activating all 6 totems of 6 heroes

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Heres when the crowd sang the Ode of Resurrection

And then moved to this one when Lord of the Night giving us the quote for Traveler's Ancient name, basically, awakened it.


This is when the Lord of the Night brought 6 totems of obsidian to represent 6 heroes so they can activate ronova's power again


Heres the proof Traveler can also hit Gosoythoth

balright 5-B stays ty so much

 

[Puppet43]

yea because bro needed ronova amp

She didn't use it bro... it was her base (nightsoul)

Heres when the crowd sang the Ode of Resurrection

Bro forgot this dialogue

And then moved to this one when Lord of the Night giving us the quote for Traveler's Ancient name, basically, awakened it.

To bad Ancient Names don't amp physicals

This is when the Lord of the Night brought 6 totems of obsidian to represent 6 heroes so they can activate ronova's power again

There litterally no implication, no proof, no nothing is was a way to activate Ronova's power

Heres the proof Traveler can also hit Gosoythoth

It's stated countless times Traveler even when manipulated to not move an inch is able to tank Gosoythoths attacks, so its not big of a power gap between the 3 (ofc Gosoy was slighty stronger because he is the final boss and needed the 2 combined efforts)

Yeah matter of fact, Traveler should also get 5-B too since both of them (Mavuika and Traveler) were the ones who activated Ronova's Power during their fight against Gosoythoth not only Mavuika, Traveler also can make a hit to Gosoythoth and keep up with Mavuika too.. So why not?

Because there nothing proving she was using it, no mention no nothing, the only time they said it is to refear to the Act 4

 

[PedjaTarzan]

She didn't use it bro... it was her base (nightsoul)



Bro forgot this dialogue

To bad Ancient Names don't amp physicals

There litterally no implication, no proof, no nothing is was a way to activate Ronova's power

??? mf theres entire cutscene of mavuika and 6 herous doing ritual to unlock ronova amp, this literally happened here again but with the totems instead are you mad

 

[MSahla]

She didn't use it bro... it was her base (nightsoul)

Theres 6 totems of 6 heroes, literally the only way to unlock ronova's power is using 6 heroes

Bro forgot this dialogue

The Ode of Resurrection gave them like.. Spirit or like supporting them

To bad Ancient Names don't amp physicals

Doubt about Traveler's condition.

There litterally no implication, no proof, no nothing is was a way to activate Ronova's power

It's stated countless times Traveler even when manipulated to not move an inch is able to tank Gosoythoths attacks, so its not big of a power gap between the 3 (ofc Gosoy was slighty stronger because he is the final boss and needed the 2 combined efforts)

Because there nothing proving she was using it, no mention no nothing, the only time they said it is to refear to the Act 4

Buddy it didn't need to be stated, you just need to understand the context, lord of the night already said that Mavuika will use Ronova's power until they triumph over the abyss, and they did triumph over the abyss in Act 5 not act 4.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Theres 6 totems of 6 heroes, literally the only way to unlock ronova's power is using 6 heroes

The Ode of Resurrection gave them like.. Spirit or like supporting them

Doubt about Traveler's condition.


Buddy it didn't need to be stated, you just need to understand the context, lord of the night already said that Mavuika will use Ronova's power until they triumph over the abyss, and they did triumph over the abyss in Act 5 not act 4.

btw every playable char has ancient name
in natlan and nightsoul which can alp physicals lol

 

[MSahla]

btw every playable char has ancient name
in natlan and nightsoul which can alp physicals lol

Literally lmao

 

[Puppet43]

mf theres entire cutscene of mavuika and 6 herous doing ritual to unlock ronova amp, this literally happened here again but with the totems instead are you mad

Then why she didn't one shot his ahh like in act 4?

The Ode of Resurrection gave them like.. Spirit or like supporting them

"IT DIDN'T WORK" bro there no more blant explanation than that, the only reason i could think is because neither did die as mention in the Archive

Buddy it didn't need to be stated, you just need to understand the context, lord of the night already said that Mavuika will use Ronova's power until they triumph over the abyss, and they did triumph over the abyss in Act 5 not act 4.

I check all statments about Mavuika giving her death, Citlali talks as if it had happend some time ago, no like 5 minutes away

btw every playable char has ancient name

Ineffa, Varessa don't

Theres 6 totems of 6 heroes, literally the only way to unlock ronova's power is using 6 heroes

You know that those obsidian columns are linked to what the traveler's friends spoke about him for the ancient name? I think it's more of an awakening of his abilities, since he doesn't have a regular awakening like the rest of the users which require the ancient carriers to come, give him a motivational talk and the knowledge they possessed.

 

[Puppet43]

(They are fighting against the mf that has watch the same cutscenes 50 times per week and glazes/renembers all of Natlan peak story)

 

[MSahla]

Then why she didn't one shot his ahh like in act 4?

Idk? Maybe they need that claymore to finally erased that thing?

"IT DIDN'T WORK" bro there no more blant explanation than that, the only reason i could think is because neither did die as mention in the Archive

Ode of Resurrection is to gave them back to life or supporting them again, The Traveler and Mavuika literally lost for a moment, thats why the primal fire is gone, not burning again.

I check all statments about Mavuika giving her death, Citlali talks as if it had happend some time ago, no like 5 minutes away

??

Ineffa, Varessa don't

Ineffa isn't Natlan character

You know that those obsidian columns are linked to what the traveler's friends spoke about him for the ancient name? I think it's more of an awakening of his abilities, since he doesn't have a regular awakening like the rest of the users which require the ancient carriers to come, give him a motivational talk and the knowledge they possessed.

Its also work for Mavuika since they literally use that claymore and then BUSHHHH THAT FIRE BLOWING UP TO THE SKY.

Its for both of them, not only Traveler.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Then why she didn't one shot his ahh like in act 4?

he wasnt one shot in act 4 either, he was literally driven away into night kingdom

 

[Furina003]

Gosoythoth will attain the same level as a full power sovereign because the abyss imitates an entity to the fundamental level just as the energy of the abyss is able to imitate elemental energy which is the fundamental energy that makes up the world. when we fight gosoythoth in xiuhcoalt form, it is the same as fighting xiuhcoalt itself.

 

[MSahla]

Gosoythoth will attain the same level as a full power sovereign because the abyss imitates an entity to the fundamental level just as the energy of the abyss is able to imitate elemental energy which is the fundamental energy that makes up the world. when we fight gosoythoth in xiuhcoalt form, it is the same as fighting xiuhcoalt itself.

No, first, Thats not even the true size of Xiuhcoatl, thats just like 10% of his original size, the real size of him would be at least same as Apep.

Second, if thats imitates 100% of entire Xiuhcoatl, We're cooked, we're not touching him because he cannot be harmed whatsoever due to him being entirely Phlogiston itself, even the Heavenly Principles only frozed him in Lava not killing him.

The Size alone is one of the major reason, he would be smart enough to beat us if thats really him because he's Extraordinary Genius, one of the biggest reason he lost to Xbalanque is also because his mind was already being corrupted by the abyss.

Gosoythoth only taking its form with a few percent of his power.

 

[Furina003]

No, first, Thats not even the true size of Xiuhcoatl, thats just like 10% of his original size, the real size of him would be at least same as Apep.

Second, if thats imitates 100% of entire Xiuhcoatl, We're cooked, we're not touching him because he cannot be harmed whatsoever due to him being entirely Phlogiston itself, even the Heavenly Principles only frozed him in Lava not killing him.

The Size alone is one of the major reason, he would be smart enough to beat us if thats really him because he's Extraordinary Genius, one of the biggest reason he lost to Xbalanque is also because his mind was already being corrupted by the abyss.

Gosoythoth only taking its form with a few percent of his power.

the size in the game is not the actual size, we can see how the abyss imitates other monsters, the weak abyss can only imitate hilichurls etc, while the slightly stronger ones can imitate ruin and other large monsters. they take all the power of what they imitate, even inorganic creatures like ruin they imitate to their system, it is also explained that they not only imitate their form and power, but also their concepts and knowledge/information. so they have imitated to the metaphysical aspects such as concepts and information that is why gosoythoth is able to use phlogiston etc, this would also put mavuika in tier 5b, as it beats gosoythoth in xiuhcoalt form.

 

[MSahla]

the size in the game is not the actual size, we can see how the abyss imitates other monsters, the weak abyss can only imitate hilichurls etc, while the slightly stronger ones can imitate ruin and other large monsters. they take all the power of what they imitate, even inorganic creatures like ruin they imitate to their system, it is also explained that they not only imitate their form and power, but also their concepts and knowledge/information. so they have imitated to the metaphysical aspects such as concepts and information that is why gosoythoth is able to use phlogiston etc

Thats the actual size of Gosoythoth when he mimicking Xiuhcoatl, its even on the cutscene, the Size is one of the biggest reason because Dragon Sovereign also relies on their size.

Of course, they imitate the information because the main reason of why they can mimic is the Ley Lines, if Gosoythoth can mimic 100% of Xiuhcoatl, he should be also taking his true size (which is apparently not)

Gosoythoth itself doesn't become Pure Phlogiston Lifeform when he taking Xiuhcoatl's form, thats just him re-animate it.

 

[Furina003]

Thats the actual size of Gosoythoth when he mimicking Xiuhcoatl, its even on the cutscene, the Size is one of the biggest reason because Dragon Sovereign also relies on their size.

no, the size of the big bosses in the game is not their actual size, it's just a mechanical game to make it easy for players to beat it

Of course, they imitate the information because the main reason of why they can mimic is the Ley Lines, if Gosoythoth can mimic 100% of Xiuhcoatl, he should be also taking his true size (which is apparently not)

Gosoythoth itself doesn't become Pure Phlogiston Lifeform when he taking Xiuhcoatl's form, thats just him re-animate it.

imitating down to the concept and information means imitating everything, so differentiate between the power and metaphysical aspects such as concepts and information.

 

[MSahla]

Thats the actual size of Gosoythoth when he mimicking Xiuhcoatl, its even on the cutscene, the Size is one of the biggest reason because Dragon Sovereign also relies on their size.

Of course, they imitate the information because the main reason of why they can mimic is the Ley Lines, if Gosoythoth can mimic 100% of Xiuhcoatl, he should be also taking his true size (which is apparently not)

Gosoythoth itself doesn't become Pure Phlogiston Lifeform when he taking Xiuhcoatl's form, thats just him re-animate it.

Not to mention, Gosoythoth ONLY taking the Remnant of Xiuhcoatl, not the entire of it and use it for his own version, as is stated in the description:

A fell dragon, congealed from the power of pitch-black darkness.
A monster of the void, known as both the Reaper of the Abyss and "Gosoythoth." It is able to corrupt memories contained within the ley lines of the earth, congealing them into tangible forces of catastrophic portent. From these memories that since time immemorial have flowed below the land, it has managed to extract the remnant will of a primordial elemental dragon sovereign, drawing it out like marrow to repurpose as the foundation of its own fabricated image.

 

[MSahla]

no, the size of the big bosses in the game is not their actual size, it's just a mechanical game to make it easy for players to beat it

Buddy, its on the cutscene, what are u talking

imitating down to the concept and information means imitating everything, so differentiate between the power and metaphysical aspects such as concepts and information.

Not really, because its already stated that Gosoythoth only taking the remnants of Xiuhcoatl not the entire of it, again, if its imitating everything, then he would also taking the true size which is he can't

 

[Furina003]

Not to mention, Gosoythoth ONLY taking the Remnant of Xiuhcoatl, not the entire of it as is stated in the description:

漆黑之力凝成的魔龙。被称为深渊浮灭主亦被称为「古斯托特」的虚界魔物，拥有侵蚀地脉之中的回忆并将之凝聚为实体的如同灾厄的权能。而在大地之下，亘古流涌的诸多过往之中，原初元素龙王残留的意志被如髓抽出，构成了拟造形象的基底。然而那真的只是单纯的「形象」吗，借由曾经抵抗的异界之力再度睁眼的已死之龙，如梦一般在短暂的甦生中舍弃了一切。漆黑的福音令其永困于生命的最后一日，无穷的怒火吞没所有的理智，此刻，唯有战意不遑宁息，燃烧不止。
A demon dragon forged from pitch-black power.
Known as the Abyssal Lord of Annihilation, also called “Gustot,” this void-born monster wields a calamity-like authority: the ability to erode the memories flowing through the ley lines and condense them into tangible form.
Yet deep beneath the earth, within the ever-surging tides of ages past, the lingering will of the Primordial Elemental Dragon King was drawn out like marrow, forming the foundation of this fabricated image.
But is it truly nothing more than a mere “image”?
Through the power of the otherworld that once opposed it, the dead dragon opens its eyes once more.
Like a dream, in its brief resurrection it casts aside everything.
The dark gospel binds it forever to the final day of its life.
Boundless rage devours all reason.
Now, only its battle-lust remains unyielding, burning without end.

the remaining will refers to the information, a fundamental aspect of xiuhcoalt's existence that is the basis of its existence, Therefore it is explained that "the dead dragon once again opened its eyes" which means that it is the real xiuhcoalt

 

[Furina003]

Buddy, its on the cutscene, what are u talking


Not really, because its already stated that Gosoythoth only taking the remnants of Xiuhcoatl not the entire of it, again, if its imitating everything, then he would also taking the true size which is he can't

Bro, the size of the boss we fought was just a game mechanism, to get the actual size we have to pixel scale the xiuhucoalt sword which is as big as a mountain,

 

[MSahla]

Therefore it is explained that "the dead dragon once again opened its eyes" which means that it is the real xiuhcoalt

Duh? Because the dragon is re-animate it by the Abyss, doesn't mean he comeback to life and got all of his power again, no.

 

[Furina003]

then do you just think narwhal is as big as a courtroom? and neuvillette doesn't have a courtroom-sized range because he can't touch the core of narwhal. whereas in lore narwhal might be able to swallow a round planet

 

[MSahla]

Bro, the size of the boss we fought was just a game mechanism, to get the actual size we have to pixel scale the xiuhucoalt sword which is as big as a mountain,

THATS WHY ITS NOT THE TRUE SIZE OF HIM, Gosoythoth IS NOT taking his True Size. If he's taking the true size of him, he would be as big as the one on that Huitzilopochtli area.

Its not only Game Mechanism anymore when its already on the Cutscene which is become canon to the lore.

 

[Furina003]

Duh? Because the dragon is re-animate it by the Abyss, doesn't mean he comeback to life and got all of his power again, no.

yeah with full power because we've talked about the fundamental aspects

 

[MSahla]

whereas in lore narwhal might be able to swallow a round planet

Only "as if"

 

[Furina003]

THATS WHY ITS NOT THE TRUE SIZE OF HIM, Gosoythoth IS NOT taking his True Size. If he's taking the true size of him, he would be as big as the one on that Huitzilopochtli area.

Its not only Game Mechanism anymore when its already on the Cutscene which is become canon to the lore.

do you understand what i mean? the mechanism does reduce the size in gameplay but that is not the actual size, then do you just think narwhal is as big as a courtroom? and neuvillette doesn't have a courtroom-sized range because she can't touch the core of narwhal. whereas in lore narwhal might be able to swallow a round planet

 

[MSahla]

yeah with full power because we've talked about the fundamental aspects

Not really, if he cannot take the true size of Xiuhcoatl why would he taking his full power anyway.
If thats the full power of him, we cannot beat him even with a fragment of Ronova's power.

 

[Furina003]

Only "as if"

yeah do you think the range of neuvillette is no more than a building? then we need to make a crt to lower the range of neuvillette which can't even reach the size of a narwhal which is only as big as a courtroom

 

[Furina003]

Not really, if he cannot take the true size of Xiuhcoatl why would he taking his full power anyway.
If thats the full power of him, we cannot beat him even with a fragment of Ronova's power.

don't have any connection, you just need to understand what the greater power mimicry that abyss has is

 

[MSahla]

yeah do you think the range of neuvillette is no more than a building? then we need to make a crt to lower the range of neuvillette which can't even reach the size of a narwhal which is only as big as a courtroom

What is that even have to do with Neuvi's range?