Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[Giannysmag]

ngl, do it, i will support you, every genshin profile looks identical right now, kinda sh*t

I already did like a year ago and a bit later Puppet changed everyone to Mach 9

 

[Puppet43]

I already did like a year ago and a bit later Puppet changed everyone to Mach 9

Yeah, it is my fault (better than Mach 2.15 Genshin)

 

[OmniScalator]

Not really, compared to their og form (pyro = phlogiston, hydro = primordial sea) they're nothing.

Yohualtecuhtin, Lord of the Night: Phlogiston is Teyvat's primordial form of energy. The Heavenly Principles used phlogiston as a basis for the creation of Elemental energy... to develop a power to better counter the Abyss.
Yohualtecuhtin, Lord of the Night: Have you heard of the concepts of the Light Realm and the Human Realm? Hmm... That explanation might take too long.
Yohualtecuhtin, Lord of the Night: Light refracts into seven different colors, which we collectively refer to as a rainbow. Elemental energy is a similar concept. It's essentially the modern counterpart of Phlogiston...

Lord of the Night states current Elemental energy is better

do you have any source which actually says PSW and phlogiston are actually stronger and not just pure?

 

[MSahla]

do you have any source which actually says PSW and phlogiston are actually stronger and not just pure?

I thought this is already a common sense and everybody knows it? Bruh..

"Better counter the abyss" Is still lack of context of what it means, you believe as if Phlogiston or the Primordial Sea couldn't do that? Thats just hilarious ngl. one Huitzilopochtli who has the Power of Phlogiston/Primal Flame could erase the existence of an entire planet and even the abyss couldn't invade Teyvat anymore.

Primordial Sea: Was the source of all Life in the entire Planet, could bring an endless catastrophe and oblirated an entire race (from neuvi when he push back the primordial sea water). Narzissenkreuz stated that the primordial sea water trancends the laws of the material world when fought him in the Primordial Sea.

Phlogiston: should i really need to explain it to you after all Natlan world quest especially the one in the Volcano?

 

[OmniScalator]

I thought this is already a common sense and everybody knows it? Bruh..

"Better counter the abyss" Is still lack of context of what it means, you believe as if Phlogiston or the Primordial Sea couldn't do that? Thats just hilarious ngl. one Huitzilopochtli who has the Power of Phlogiston/Primal Flame could erase the existence of the entire planet and even the abyss couldn't invade Teyvat anymore.

Primordial Sea: Was the source of all Life in the entire Planet, could bring an endless catastrophe and oblirated an entire race (from neuvi when he push back the primordial sea water). Narzissenkreuz stated that the primordial sea water trancends the law of the material world when fought him in the Primordial Sea.

Phlogiston: should i really explain it to you after all Natlan world quest especially the one in the Volcano?

Well, strictly speaking i am talking about Firepower per Unit, or more efficient thing

Phlogiston was able to destroy those things as there was a lot of it, and other things you listed are just abilities and not firepower, from Lord of the night statement it is kind of implied that New elemental energy have more firepower efficiency

 

[MSahla]

Well, strictly speaking i am talking about Firepower per Unit, or more efficient thing

Phlogiston was able to destroy those things as there was a lot of it, and other things you listed are just abilities and not firepower, from Lord of the night statement it is kind of implied that New elemental energy have more firepower efficiency

Well even if we accumulate a lot amount of current elements would they do the same thing as the OG one? I don't even think so.
Also theres a lot of case that we can't do nothing to the Abyssal power with just Elemental power, you can see that case in Natlan Archon Quest.

What pyro element that has this kind of Description:

"Phlogiston is an atom upon which information may be transcribed, and is itself a form of "computronium" element that can be used to imitate the essence of any and all things through the weaving of language"

Just by look at this description is already obvious that Phlogiston is way far better and stronger than its lesser form (Pyro).

 

[OmniScalator]

Just by look at this description is already obvious that Phlogiston is way far better and stronger than its lesser form (Pyro).

Well according to lord of the Night New elemental energy is more modern counterpart, meaning it is also computronium

 

[MSahla]

Well according to lord of the Night New elemental energy is more modern counterpart, meaning it is also computronium

Oh not really, i dont remember any Iridiscent Inscriptions was made by Pyro Element
I dont remember current seven elements could do the same thing as the OG one

 

[OmniScalator]

Oh not really, i dont remember any Iridiscent Inscriptions was made by Pyro Element
I dont remember current seven elements could do the same thing as the OG one

that is the point, New elemental energy doesn't require any such knowledge to use, like command prompt vs GUI

 

[MSahla]

that is the point, New elemental energy doesn't require any such knowledge to use, like command prompt vs GUI

No feats of current elements that is greater the OG one's feats.

You said so while theres some case where we can't do any damage to Abyssal Power, and when we use the OG one we perform a better counter to the enemies

 

[Puppet43]

What if Genshin RCTs are the friends we made along the way?

 

[OmniScalator]

No feats of current elements that is greater the OG one's feats.

You said so while theres some case where we can't do any damage to Abyssal Power, and when we use the OG one we perform a better counter to the enemies

Pretty sure we have seen elements getting used purify abyss corruption even in natlan, but haven't seen phlogiston do something like that yet

 

[Puppet43]

I just noticed Nibelung wasnt present in the fight against Phanes and Shades

That was an age unsung by even the most learned bards of today.
Of the long-lived species of old, most were still wild beasts, chaos yet burning in their eyes.
The claws of the ruler who once held dominion over all had long since threaded their way through the pale, drifting dust.
The king who sought the world beyond set the moons aloft, to govern the cycles in their stead. ==> Source

Nibelung left Teyvat and created three moons to govern the cycle in his stead. In his absences, the Heavenly Principles descended on Teyvat and established a new order over the world. Nibelung returned with forbidden knowledge he acquired from the Abyss outside the world

More chainscale of the Sovereings to Shades/Phanes

 

[OmniScalator]

I just noticed Nibelung wasnt present in the fight against Phanes and Shades


More chainscale of the Sovereings to Shades/Phanes

There is literally no chainscale between them, just fighting someone doesn't make you relative, what you did in that fight does

 

[Puppet43]

just fighting someone doesn't make you relative, what you did in that fight does

Fighting a 6v5 for 40 years isnt enough proof?

 

[OmniScalator]

Fighting a 6v5 for 40 years isnt enough proof?

Time period doesn't matter, what they achieved matter, were they even able to scratch shades? We don't know

 

[Voidnether]

I just wanna share my 2 opinions to y'all

1. i think if someday theres Nod-Krai characters profile whoever it is who have Moon Wheels, their Elemental Manipulation should be Greater, for Example like Flins with Greater Electro Manipulation with the reason:
the Moon Wheels are contains the Primordial Moon's power, this power is the purest form of power and its more fundamental power than the elemental energy/7 elements.

2. I THINK (☝) every Archons should have Greater to their respective Elemental Manipulation because of the Ancient Dragon's Authorities that they have. This Dragon's Authority let them have Absolute control over an Element, they can grant people's vision and obviously a greater control over an element than just an ordinary Vision-user.

As for the Dragon Sovereigns who got their Authority back like Neuvillette.. Idk what i should give him.. Maybe layering? Idk how that works too so y'all could explain that to me. The Dragon Sovereign control their Authority is far better than the Archons could ever do, like Egeria and Focalors can't even turn the Oceanids into a normal Humans like what Neuvillette did.

No, the potency of their ability doesn't necessarily mean greater unless their use of the ability is more powerful/proficient than before. There's a difference to what extent Vision Holders vs Archons/Sovereigns are (potency), like their manipulation to the element but neither of those would make it greater in this sense. Granted Vision Holders would get greater too if their use of the ability (element) is more powerful/proficient than before even if the potency is still the same

Note: When a profile's Powers & Abilities indicates something along the lines of "As before but to a greater scale" this doesn't necessarily mean that their hax has a higher scale/potency, but rather, that the characters/things have become more powerful and/or proficient with their abilities. In these cases, the scale of their hax would only become better if specifically indicated in their Powers & Abilities, Notable Attacks & Techniques, or elsewhere.

 

[MSahla]

Time period doesn't matter, what they achieved matter, were they even able to scratch shades? We don't know

Still they manage to hold their full power for. 40 years, nobody can do that btw.

 

[MSahla]

Pretty sure we have seen elements getting used purify abyss corruption even in natlan, but haven't seen phlogiston do something like that yet

How funny while Astral Assamblages exist

 

[OmniScalator]

Still they manage to hold their full power for. 40 years, nobody can do that btw.

How do you know shades were using full power?

 

[MSahla]

How do you know shades were using full power?

Kukulkan:
"Hah, compared to the Sky-War i once fought in, these earthly usurpers are nothing"

 

[OmniScalator]

Kukulkan:
"Hah, compared to the Sky-War i once fought in, these earthly usurpers are nothing"

And how does this imply shades were using full power?

 

[MSahla]

And how does this imply shades were using full power?

Because that war was far beyond the level of the archons could ever do.
7 Archons are no match for a fragment of a single shade let alone four of them + phanes.

While the 7 Sovereigns were manage to tank all of them + Phanes at the same time for 40 years.

 

[OmniScalator]

Because that war was far beyond the level of the archons could ever do.
7 Archons are no match for a fragment of a single shade let alone four of them + phanes.

While the 7 Sovereigns were manage to tank all of them + Phanes at the same time for 40 years.

But I asked for source of shades using "full power" and not how terrifying they are

Yes shades are incomparably stronger than Archon so it is obvious that even if just minuscle fragment of their power can do more terrifying war for all we know, so that kukulkan statement doesn't imply nor comment on amount of power shades used, let alone using it as support for them using "full power"

 

[Puppet43]

Time period doesn't matter, what they achieved matter, were they even able to scratch shades? We don't know

Time period matters a lot, if the combatents arent on equal grounds the fight would had end sooner dont you think?

 

[OmniScalator]

Time period matters a lot, if the combatents arent on equal grounds the fight would had end sooner dont you think?

Fight wouldn't end sooner if weaker party refuses to giveup and stronger party doesn't want to kill weaker party, it will prolong war upto time weaker party finally leaves hopium

 

[MSahla]

But I asked for source of shades using "full power" and not how terrifying they are

Yes shades are incomparably stronger than Archon so it is obvious that even if just minuscle fragment of their power can do more terrifying war for all we know, so that kukulkan statement doesn't imply nor comment on amount of power shades used, let alone using it as support for them using "full power"

Why would not they be full power anyway? First of all, all Seven Sovereigns or more like all dragons at that time was just a free will, no physical body, no bound by the concept of life, death, space and time.

Phanes had to create four those concepts to interact with them, so the main problem of why the war was last for 40 years was because Phanes had to interact with such a beings.

 

[Puppet43]

But I asked for source of shades using "full power"

Character comprehension low key, you think Phanes would not use all his power to conquer an entire planet to the point he had to divide himself in lesser forms to have more chance of winning? (Bassicly he had a number disadvantage and just solve it by creating the Shades, and still the war was 5v6 for decades)

 

[OmniScalator]

Why would not they be full power anyway?

They can be, they maybe not, I don't have evidence for either one of them, but you claimed they were on full power so I was asking source of this claim

 

[MSahla]

They can be, they maybe not, I don't have evidence for either one of them, but you claimed they were on full power so I was asking source of this claim

All of them were manage to tanked not just a fragments of their power because why would they only released a fragments of their power anyway? That would be wasting a lot of time. Hence why the Archons are not in the same level as the Dragon Sovereigns as you think. Hence why also the Dragon Sovereigns can be scaled to the Four Shades despite them being lost to them.

 

[OmniScalator]

Character comprehension low key, you think Phanes would not use all his power to conquer an entire planet to the point he had to divide himself in lesser forms to have more chance of winning? (Bassicly he had a number disadvantage and just solve it by creating the Shades, and still the war was 5v6 for decades)

Can you give sources where it was stated they created shades because they were not able to fight without them? And disadvantages which would have caused them to lose

 

[Puppet43]

They can be, they maybe not, I don't have evidence for either one of them, but you claimed they were on full power so I was asking source of this claim

People would do anything except accept that Sovereings were on par with Shades and Phanes

 

[MSahla]

Can you give sources where it was stated they created shades because they were not able to fight without them? And disadvantages which would have caused them to lose

Well first of all, i already talk about how the people of the light realm was just a free will, no physical body, no bound by the concept of life, death, time and space. Hence why nicole said "at that time, there was no boundary between life and death" Because nibelung removed these concepts later on Cyno's wp description.

Further with Wenut's description saying that there was no concept of time.
Does Phanes has NPI to interact with 7 of them at that time? I dont think so. Hence why he created 4 shades which is 4 concepts

 

[Puppet43]

Btw talking about Sovereings, the Genshin wiki has put Azhdaha as a confirmed sovereing

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Character comprehension low key, you think Phanes would not use all his power to conquer an entire planet to the point he had to divide himself in lesser forms to have more chance of winning? (Bassicly he had a number disadvantage and just solve it by creating the Shades, and still the war was 5v6 for decades)

They weren´t created because of number disadvantage, but as sole purpose to govern over teyvat. There is no lore that suggest they were created because of number disadvantage.

 

[MSahla]

Btw talking about Sovereings, the Genshin wiki has put Azhdaha as a confirmed sovereing

They tweakin fr, they're only rely on his title which is not even enough to confirmed he's a sovereign
Other sovereigns were confirmed by Ingame dialogue/direct statement of confirmation while Azhdaha is just a title lmaoo

 

[OmniScalator]

All of them were manage to tanked not just a fragments of their power because why would they only released a fragments of their power anyway?

Because more power can kill dragons? Who knows, this is a unknown variable, if you have any sources or concrete evidence please go ahead and send them

That would be wasting a lot of time.

Why would they care about time? they had f****** God of Time

Hence why the Archons are not in the same level as the Dragon Sovereigns as you think. Hence why also the Dragon Sovereigns can be scaled to the Four Shades despite them being lost to them.

If these were the reasons why Sovereigns are considered stronger than archons, then they really shouldn't, since these aren't valid reasons, and there is no valid argument for them to scale to shades

People would do anything except accept that Sovereings were on par with Shades and Phanes

If there is solid enough evidence I would agree

Well first of all, i already talk about how the people of the light realm was just a free will, no physical body, no bound by the concept of life, death, time and space. Hence why nicole said "at that time, there was no boundary between life and death" Because nibelung removed these concepts later on Cyno's wp description.

Further with Wenut's description saying that there was no concept of time.
Does Phanes has NPI to interact with 7 of them at that time? I dont think so. Hence why he created 4 shades which is 4 concepts

First of all Cyno's weapon talks about PO and talks how these concepts were created by PO, like how PO created weight etc, also there being no such concepts at the time of dragons doesn't scale anywhere for dragons, it may just give ability to them, also pretty sure PO have NPI for controlling elements without being native

 

[Puppet43]

They tweakin fr, they're only rely on his title which is not even enough to confirmed he's a sovereign
Other sovereigns were confirmed by Ingame dialogue/direct statement of confirmation while Azhdaha is just a title lmaoo

Even if bro was a Sovereing, he would be currently at the same state that Neuvi previous to Act 5, bassicly authoriless + most likely a reincarnation, since Zhongli just found his ahh sealed as a tiny rock
+ 6000 years old Authoriless Sovereing above Prime Archon, which is consistent with dragons age = power

First of all Cyno's weapon talks about PO and talks how these concepts were created by PO, like how PO created weight

I would had agree on you if it wasnt for the fact that Nod Krai teaser and Ineffa's weapon told us the creathor of the moons was Nibelung, so Nibelung is the creathor mentioned in Cyno's weapon

If there is solid enough evidence I would agree

"When the Doves Held Branches"
When the eternal throne of the heavens came, the world was made anew. Then the true lord, the Primordial One, came forth and did battle against the seven terrifying sovereigns, dragon-lords of the old world. The Primordial One created shining shades of itself, and the number of these shades was four.

 

[MSahla]

Because more power can kill dragons? Who knows, this is a unknown variable, of you have any sources or concrete evidence please go ahead and send them

Pfftt why would they hesitate to kill the dragons anyway? They want to usurp everything, why would they care about the dragons?

Why would they care about time? they had f****** God of Time

So what? With that god of time logically should be a faster no? No need any 40 years

If these were the reasons why Sovereigns are considered stronger than archons, then they really shouldn't, since these aren't valid reasons, and there is no valid argument for them to scale to shades

Why it shouldn't? Theres no such feats of the Archons that are comparable to what the Seven Sovereigns did back in the day.

The differences between 7 Sovereigns and 7 Archons are simple, not all Archons are comparable some of them are weak like Nahida, Makoto, Egeria and so on. While the 7 Sovereigns were all powerful, powerful enough to tanked the four shades for 40 years which is something that the Archons COULD NEVER DO.

First of all Cyno's weapon talks about PO and talks how these concepts were created by PO, like how PO created weight etc, also there being no such concepts at the time of dragons doesn't scale anywhere for dragons, it may just give ability to them, also pretty sure PO have NPI for controlling elements without being native

No its not talking about PO whatsoever, the first line literally said "First, the Sun and the Moons were created" And its confirmed that Nibelung created the 3 Moons so why would that about Phanes anyway?

And they mentioned they removed the concept of life and death, why would Phanes removed Naberius and Ronova anyway?

 

[OmniScalator]

I would had agree on you if it wasnt for the fact that Nod Krai teaser and Ineffa's weapon told us the creathor of the moons was Nibelung, so Nibelung is the creathor mentioned in Cyno's weapon

You are free to not agree with me but it quite literally says "Heavenly Principles" on wiki summary

Deshret begins with a story he learned from Nabu Malikata, of the Heavenly Principles's creation of the world and of the three moon sisters, Aria, Sonnet and Canon.

When the Doves Held Branches"
When the eternal throne of the heavens came, the world was made anew. Then the true lord, the Primordial One, came forth and did battle against the seven terrifying sovereigns, dragon-lords of the old world. The Primordial One created shining shades of itself, and the number of these shades was four.

Amd exactly how does this say they are comparable to shades? Like I said before time period means nothing