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Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

Oh wow..
Ancient Dragon's Authority = Ronova's power.
okay okay, New Knowledge right here😂
Do you skip the lore that much to say confidently Mavuika ever used Xiuhcoatl's power in any form possible? 🥲
For your kind information Ei slew orobaxi pre Archonhood, it was when makoto was Archon
It's totally not wrong when Ei's best feat is slaying the Orobashi (Pre-Archon)
Post-Archon Ei's best feat is still that, Signora or 99 Vision Traveler don't even come close
Even if its never been stated as a Higher Power but a Gnosis is logically a Higher Power. It can boost your Elemental Power to even a greater level, even an Archon can become far stronger with it.
Third Descender remains ain't higher power lol
 
Even if its never been stated as a Higher Power but a Gnosis is logically a Higher Power. It can boost your Elemental Power to even a greater level, even an Archon can become far stronger with it.
If it is specifically called higher power, it usually refers to the power of the heavenly principle or the shades, such as Enjou who calls the power of Ronova a higher power, or in the description of Narwhal which explains that there is a higher power that protects the world, this refers to the borders of the world mentioned by the surtalogy or fake sky.
 
Do you skip the lore that much to say confidently Mavuika ever used Xiuhcoatl's power in any form possible? 🥲
So we forgetting where the Archons' Elemental Authority comes from?
Third Descender remains ain't higher power lol
Oh yeah it can be considered so because it can amped your Elemental Power lol, Mavuika said she can beat Gosoythoth if she using it for a reason 😂
 
This is VSBW btw, and its called Plot Manip in here.
Yeah sometimes VSBW is stupid (mostly in hax abilities, putting what seems to be 500 different abilities into 1 profile)
around 5.4 raiden was clearly stated to be superior than traveler
That is never stated, you could say she is >= to Traveler, but little more than that, both are capable of hurting and taking hits from Chiyo's Nightmare
Any good reason or just headcanon?
Skirk Training, that puts him around her lvl, but still below top tier. IMO is something like
Neuvi (Authority) > Barbatos = Mavuika (Ronova Authority) > Skirk => Traveler post training
and the Almighty Shogun, unmatched in combat...
Yeah, so unmatched that the nightmare was able to parry her, that's just Yae trying to glaze Ei without even knowing the full extent of the foe they are gonna face
Anyone who thinks Traveler is THAT strong is just delusional
In nod krai you gonna call Hoyo a delusional for making his MC oneshot a Moon Goddess or something like that
his statistics due to how inconsistent it is since 2.4 or we just put him at wall level, there's no in between
How is inconsistent going from 8th Harbinger lvl => High God lvl => Archon lvl => Narwhal lvl ?
 
Yeah, so unmatched that the nightmare was able to parry her, that's just Yae trying to glaze Ei without even knowing the full extent of the foe they are gonna face
You do realize that canonically whole point of that fight was that only traveler will fight nightmare and this scene is just gameplay gimmick, and even if it is not, it may just be her way of providing traveler with opening?
 
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All this and the Traveler still downscales from the Archon that only exist as the replacement for the Original Archon

First of All mavuika > Xbalanque
Nah you tripped with this one, 1/3 of Xbalanque full power vs FP Mavuika
Problem is, Shades are also a fragment of Primordial One yet they're massively stronger
Maybe because Shades could contain +25 % of Phanes Power meanwhile Gods can only have a 0.1%? Just saying, i dont support nor go against the theory
It's totally not wrong when Ei's best feat is slaying the Orobashi (Pre-Archon) yet she beats Post-Archon Mavuika even with Authority despite Mavuika is capable of killing Gosoysoth with that
Ei vs Orobashi = Ei without Divine Throne, Musshon Isshin and still oneshots the giant snake
Mavuika vs Gosoythoth = Mavuika with Soulnight (unquantificable small amp), giant fire sword, and another archon lvl friend by her side which was the perfect counter for an abyssal entity (Cleansing thing) and still mid - high diff?
So that Mavuika in Act 5 is under Ronova's power.
Sahl, you are wrong here, if u check the Act 4 Mavuika you can see she has differently tattoos paterns as the one seen against Gosoy, and would be kinda contradictory that she didnt oneshot it again, like she did in act 4
In my opinion, Mavuika with the authority of Ronova should be the strongest, perhaps followed by Venti with the authority of Istaroth.
Shhh Venti haxs are better
 
Third Descender remains ain't higher power lol
Last time i check they could turn a 6th Harbinger lvl into at least a Low Archon (Nahida) lvl bein, maybe im schizo
You do realize that canonically whole point of that fight was that only traveler will fight nightmare and this scene is just gameplay gimmick, and even if it is not, it may just be her way of providing traveler with opening?
You have evidence that was just purely gameplay? If she was providing Traveler with an opening that means Chiyo Nightmare ap is strong enough to collide against Raiden for some seconds, so yeah comparable to some extension
 
When you're in an argument and someone pulled out the percentage outta nowhere (It's from their own headcanon)
 
Sahl, you are wrong here, if u check the Act 4 Mavuika you can see she has differently tattoos paterns as the one seen against Gosoy, and would be kinda contradictory that she didnt oneshot it again, like she did in act 4
Idk what are u talking about here
 
Wanderer and Ei may get FTL+ perception speed by that one feat of wanderer witnessing all of his lifespan in 40seconds
 
In nod krai you gonna call Hoyo a delusional for making his MC oneshot a Moon Goddess or something like that
1% Works, 99% Faith
Wanderer and Ei may get FTL+ perception speed by that one feat of wanderer witnessing all of his lifespan in 40seconds
This is just a non conventional ability that may give him resistance to specific applications of certain abilities
 
Could you provide the quote where she says she still using ronova amp during the battle?
Lord of the Night stated:
"A key part of Mavuika's plan is using the six heroes to release the power Xbalanque obtained from the Ruler of Death"
"The Ruler of Death's power will allow Mavuika to triumph over the Abyss. But, she must offer her own life in the process"
I already talk about this before, the only way Mavuika to defeat Gosoythoth is either using Ronova's Power or Gnosis Power and we know she chose Ronova's power option.
From this Statement from Lord of the Night, it is clear that Mavuika will use Ronova's Power until she manage to defeat Gosoythoth.

"A key part of Mavuika's plan is using the six heroes to release the power Xbalanque obtained from the Ruler of Death"
so the Key for Mavuika to released Ronova's power is using the 6 heroes of Natlan.
And Theres 2 Moments where Mavuika released Ronova's power.
1. The first one is this cutscene:


2. the second one is this moment when we fighting Gosoythoth, the Lord of the Night helped Traveler and Mavuika by brought 6 totems of obsidian that represents 6 heroes of natlan so they (Mavuika and Traveler) can release Ronova's power once again:


Again for the last time, MAVUIKA CANNOT BEAT GOSOYTHOTH WITHOUT HIGHER POWER.

People who saying Mavuika beat Gosoythoth with just her own Power/Authority is straight up stupid while the lore literally said Mavuika will use Ronova's power to save Natlan. Like bruh..
If she's strong enough to beat Gosoythoth with just her own power, without any higher power involves, then why is Gosoythoth isn't getting killed by the Previous Pyro Archons? Why don't Mavuika just killed Gosoythoth 500 years ago?
 
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Lord of the Night stated:


I already talk about this before, the only way Mavuika to defeat Gosoythoth is either using Ronova's Power or Gnosis Power and we know she chose Ronova's power option.
From this Statement from Lord of the Night, it is clear that Mavuika will use Ronova's Power until she manage to defeat Gosoythoth.


so the Key for Mavuika to released Ronova's power is using the 6 heroes of Natlan.
And Theres 2 Moments where Mavuika released Ronova's power.
1. The first one is this cutscene:


2. the second one is this moment when we fighting Gosoythoth, the Lord of the Night helped Traveler and Mavuika by brought 6 totems of obsidian that represents 6 heroes of natlan so they (Mavuika and Traveler) can release Ronova's power once again:


Again for the last time, MAVUIKA CANNOT BEAT GOSOYTHOTH WITHOUT HIGHER POWER.

People who saying Mavuika beat Gosoythoth with just her own Power/Authority is straight up stupid while the lore literally said Mavuika will use Ronova's power to save Natlan. Like bruh..
If she's strong enough to beat Gosoythoth with just her own power, without any higher power involves, then why is Gosoythoth isn't getting killed by the Previous Pyro Archons? Why don't Mavuika just killed Gosoythoth 500 years ago?

There are some flaws with this chain scale
  • Mavuika in act 4 does oneshot Gosoy to the point of him needing to back down and heal in some way meanwhile in act 5 fight she punches the same caccoon and wasnt even affected
  • No im not saying Mavuika alone is stronger, she needed the Nightsoul bleesing, which is a Unquantificable small power amp, The Pyro Traveler and The Thousands Sun Sword
  • Previous Archons didnt fight it because maybe it didnt appear physically like he did in act 4 and well, we know some Pyro Archons were so weak they needed to team up in order to defeat Ochkan (Hydro Traveler victim), same could be said about Mavuika, her prime is the present self, not her 500 years ago and Pyro Traveler was an important key for this fight, because of the cleansing abilities and helping Mavuika overpower Gosoy

I dout those totems represent Ronova's power being used, more like Traveler opening the "locks" to unlock his true Pyro power and the emotional support (which is directly stated in the quest), like they dont even mention Ronova atp nor the higher power

IMO: Mavuika (Ronova amp) >>>(Oneshot gap)>> Mavuika and Traveler Pyro (combined) = Gosoythoth > Mavuika = Traveler Pyro
 
  • No im not saying Mavuika alone is stronger, she needed the Nightsoul bleesing, which is a Unquantificable small power amp, The Pyro Traveler and The Thousands Sun Sword
Nightsoul's blessing is not Enough, this one moment when Mavuika punched Gosoythoth twice she didn't left damage on him

  • Previous Archons didnt fight it because maybe it didnt appear physically like he did in act 4 and well, we know some Pyro Archons were so weak they needed to team up in order to defeat Ochkan (Hydro Traveler victim), same could be said about Mavuika, her prime is the present self, not her 500 years ago and Pyro Traveler was an important key for this fight, because of the cleansing abilities and helping Mavuika overpower Gosoy
No Pyro Archons are weak, Och-Kan were lost to the Scarlet-Eyed Youth (the second pyro archon)
All Pyro Archons are the strongest warrior in Natlan.
I dout those totems represent Ronova's power being used, more like Traveler opening the "locks" to unlock his true Pyro power and the emotional support (which is directly stated in the quest), like they dont even mention Ronova atp nor the higher power
It doesn't need to be stated directly because if you learn more and analyze the previous statements you'll know that they're using Ronova's Power.
And again again and again, Mavuika cannot beat Gosoythoth WITHOUT a higher power and had to use either Ronova's Power or Gnosis Power.
Theres no ones saying that Mavuika could defeat Gosoythoth just by herself.

If she can killed Gosoythoth without Ronova's power she should've been killed Gosoythoth earlier.
 
Wanderer and Ei may get FTL+ perception speed by that one feat of wanderer witnessing all of his lifespan in 40seconds
This is a gift of memory given by Nahida through a dream that she created from the wanderer memory that she archived before it was erased. If we talk about perception, I prefer to use the feat of adeptus who have a different perception in seeing time, where adeptus see moving mountains like moving clouds which means their perception is much faster than humans.
 
This is a gift of memory given by Nahida through a dream that she created from the wanderer memory that she archived before it was erased. If we talk about perception, I prefer to use the feat of adeptus who have a different perception in seeing time, where adeptus see moving mountains like moving clouds which means their perception is much faster than humans.
Well, even if those memories were gifted wanderer still perceived them and even able to perceive the attack of shouki no kami in slowmotion, this is a good feat imo

Yeah we can do that for adeptus too, I just can't seem to find a right approach to calculate that for adeptus statement

Tbh, perceiving movement of mountains like clouds is kinda slower than average perception, if it was opposite it would have been fast, but I don't think this adepti statement was talking about perception "speed" but perception due to their lond lifespan
 
Yeah we can do that for adeptus too, I just can't seem to find a right approach to calculate that for adeptus statement

Tbh, perceiving movement of mountains like clouds is kinda slower than average perception, if it was opposite it would have been fast, but I don't think this adepti statement was talking about perception "speed" but perception due to their lond lifespan
I don't think this is just talking about longevity, because it is clearly explained that they have a difference in how they perceive time, humans are described as seeing time as a flow, while the adeptus see time as a barren field or a painting rather than as a flow, which causes them to be able to move in any direction and run into the future. this clearly talks about speed because speed itself is very tied to time.
I thought this was a feat for imeasurabble speed, because they can move in all directions in the same time as moving in a barren field.
 
I don't think this is just talking about longevity, because it is clearly explained that they have a difference in how they perceive time, humans are described as seeing time as a flow, while the adeptus see time as a barren field or a painting rather than as a flow, which causes them to be able to move in any direction and run into the future. this clearly talks about speed because speed itself is very tied to time.
I thought this was a feat for imeasurabble speed, because they can move in all directions in the same time as moving in a barren field.
Well, that one adeptus was literally stated to be child of Istaroth unlike Venti🥹
 
Well, even if those memories were gifted wanderer still perceived them and even able to perceive the attack of shouki no kami in slowmotion, this is a good feat imo
we can calculate this with the slowmotion method, i can do it, but we have to know how fast the laser is fired
 
This is a gift of memory given by Nahida through a dream that she created from the wanderer memory that she archived before it was erased. If we talk about perception, I prefer to use the feat of adeptus who have a different perception in seeing time, where adeptus see moving mountains like moving clouds which means their perception is much faster than humans.
If you see slow events as fast that means your perception speed is slow as ****
 
Nightsoul's blessing is not Enough, this one moment when Mavuika punched Gosoythoth twice she didn't left damage on him
Thats why i also said Traveler and the sword
Och-Kan were lost to the Scarlet-Eyed Youth (the second pyro archon)
The Scarlet Eyed archon needed to team up with other people (i supossed heroes)
And again again and again, Mavuika cannot beat Gosoythoth WITHOUT a higher power and had to use either Ronova's Power or Gnosis Power.
Theres no ones saying that Mavuika could defeat Gosoythoth just by herself.
Or Pyro Traveler and the sword can be equal/superior to her using her own gnosis
 
Thats why i also said Traveler and the sword
Still not enough, they ain't damaging anything until that 6 totems came out.

That sword came only because of people singing the ode of resurecction
The Scarlet Eyed archon needed to team up with other people (i supossed heroes)
Yet he's the one defeat it
Or Pyro Traveler and the sword can be equal/superior to her using her own gnosis
No its not? Where did you even get that
 
Still not enough, they ain't damaging anything until that 6 totems came out.
You might to recheck the cutscene
That sword came only because of people singing the ode of resurecction
When i said otherwise?
Yet he's the one defeat it
If you new 6 - 7 people to defeat a Hydro Traveler victim, you aint strong buddy
No its not? Where did you even get that
Because the gnosis is not that big of an amp when used in gods (or entities of same strength) hands, like zhongli says; its only a noticeable amp when the Gnosis User aint God lvl without it (Venti, Shouki no Kami) and Gosoythoth was fighting the equivalet of 2 Mavuikas at the same time (raw power and stats) and 1 of them litterally had the perfect counter against his entire physiology
 
tatarigami is capable of destroying the entire tatarasuna island
Xavier: But if we let them meddle any further, the Tatarigami's power will get out of control. This entire island will be blown sky-high with us still on it.

Xavier: However, if we focus solely on the Fatui, the Tatarigami energy built up inside the containment dome will eventually reach its limit all the same...
 
If it were possible to calculate it, it could be scaled to Orobashi, as Tatarigami is the remnant of Orobashi's power.

Tatarigami is also described as have unlimited energy.
Miyuki: You are far too dismissive of the Tatarigami's power.

Miyuki: "Praise be to the mighty Electro Archon, the Tatarigami core has proven useful. It can be used as an unlimited energy source. How convenient."
 
Our journey isn't "finding our sibling" Anymore But finding out wtf is going on in this world.
Like we did found our sister but she just run away lol
 
Literally the sole reason why I'll always say it every time that Pre-Archon / Post-Archon Raiden Ei best feat is always going to be her slashing Orobashi if anything but people still doubted it like "Oh, but 99 Vision Traveler's will transcended space-time" As if Ei's will didn't transcend space-time either with her Eternity stuff 🙏🏻
 
That sword was to just resist effects of abyss, it was no power amp
I mean, the sword was shown to be the best dealing damage to gosoy
tatarigami is capable of destroying the entire tatarasuna island
Already calc it, 27 Gigatons but i got 59 Gigatons in a high end, when destroying an island is indeed island lvl
"Oh, but 99 Vision Traveler's will transcended space-time" As if Ei's will didn't transcend space-time either with her Eternity stuff
No one trascended space time, we are not making Ei 5D
 
I mean, the sword was shown to be the best dealing damage to gosoy

Already calc it, 27 Gigatons but i got 59 Gigatons in a high end, when destroying an island is indeed island lvl

No one trascended space time, we are not making Ei 5D
IT'S THEIR WILLPOWER THAT TRANSCEND SPACE-TIME, WE KNOW IT DOESN'T LEAD TO ANYWHERE RATHER IT'S A METAPHOR TO EXPLAIN that their willpower isn't restricted by space-times
 
Words "Archon war" and "Archon quest" are mistranslation, actual translation is "God war" and "God quest", as in Chinese they are called "War of the Demon Gods" and "Demon God quest"
 
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