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Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

Archons being a fragment of the Primordial One only applies to the Old Archons, not their replacement: Which means, this wouldn't apply for Raiden Ei, Nahida, Focalors or Mavuika
According to what Neuvillette said, each God have fragment of Primordial One, and you literally have it on your reply

Severely wounded in the great war of vengeance, the usurper had their functions ruined, and could no longer use their absolute authority to suppress the original order of this world. To continue to subdue and control the resentments and loathing of the world, the usurper and one who came after created the Gnoses together. So it came to be that an order was made to be upheld, and thus did humans come to only possess these seven remembrances, and all fragments of the primordial were driven to devour each other.

All Gods are fragments of Primordial One and Mavuika doesn't have Fragment of Primordial One since she isn't God, that is why she needed buff from Ronova, because only "Gods" can use full potential of divine throne
 
Archons being a fragment of the Primordial One only applies to the Old Archons, not their replacement: Which means, this wouldn't apply for Raiden Ei, Nahida, Focalors or Mavuika

Ignoring Tsaritsa, which in itself would be an Archon that's amplified with the 7 Gnoses — It's pretty much consistent, given the original Archon are Venti & Zhongli in which the former straight up had a part of Istaroth's authority with the latter theorized to be Solar Chariot which would make him equal to Moon Sisters and Moon Sisters are like the Shades equivalent of Heavenly Principles but it's more of like Nibelung's version as Nibelung created the Three Moon Sisters simply to replace Nibelung from governing Teyvat anyway
All this and the Traveler still downscales from the Archon that only exist as the replacement for the Original Archon (Assuming Throne is still there and it's not destroyed, yet). When asked the question: They only said it was to sell the characters, peakest of peak
 
According to what Neuvillette said, each God have fragment of Primordial One, and you literally have it on your reply

All Gods are fragments of Primordial One and Mavuika doesn't have Fragment of Primordial One since she isn't God, that is why she needed buff from Ronova, because only "Gods" can use full potential of divine throne
Each of the Original Archon, the replacement one simply just doesn't have it in them. Mavuika is an Archon, she doesn't have the fragment cause she's not the original one but rather a replacement. That's why she needed Ronova, if you really interpreted this to use the full potential of the divine throne: Focalors, which was a replacement for Egeria somehow is capable of using the full potential of that.

Two choices, either Egeria is the only fragment of Primordial One and the old Archon, or Focalors is somehow the fragment of Primordial One too even when there's Egeria
 
Each of the Original Archon, the replacement one simply just doesn't have it in them. Mavuika is an Archon, she doesn't have the fragment cause she's not the original one but rather a replacement. That's why she needed Ronova, if you really interpreted this to use the full potential of the divine throne: Focalors, which was a replacement for Egeria somehow is capable of using the full potential of that.

Two choices, either Egeria is the only fragment of Primordial One and the old Archon, or Focalors is somehow the fragment of Primordial One too even when there's Egeria
First of All, being an Archon have nothing to do with having fragment of Primordial One since each and every God have it,

And it would be nice if you share source on why only "Original Archons" have fragment when we have literal statement of Neuvillette saying All Gods as "Fragment of Primordial One"
 
First of All, being an Archon have nothing to do with having fragment of Primordial One since each and every God have it,

And it would be nice if you share source on why only "Original Archons" have fragment when we have literal statement of Neuvillette saying All Gods as "Fragment of Primordial One"
There's genuinely no way you took this for EACH GOD, the same Gods that Skirk killed so easily + Called it a filth, even Morax was massacring them in his prime.

Only original archons had it because it was directed to Egeria, plus this is consistent with Barbatos + Morax having correlations with Shades, Barbatos is direct but Morax is indirect assuming he's truly the Solar Chariot meant in the story. Replacement archons are weak anyway, Ei is only strong cause of Musou Isshin and it's because of who? Makoto.

I don't have to explain why Rukkhadevata > Nahida or Egeria > Focalors or Xbalanque > Mavuika, right?
 
There's genuinely no way you took this for EACH GOD, the same Gods that Skirk killed so easily + Called it a filth, even Morax was massacring them in his prime.
Bruhh, I am not taking it for All Gods, it is literal statement from game "and all fragments of the primordial were driven to devour each other." All Gods Have it, can you tell me which Original Archons "Devoured" eachother?

Not to mention egeria got divinity by fragment of Primordial One, meaning each God must Also have it since they also have Divinity.
Only original archons had it because it was directed to Egeria, plus this is consistent with Barbatos + Morax having correlations with Shades, Barbatos is direct but Morax is indirect assuming he's truly the Solar Chariot meant in the story. Replacement archons are weak anyway, Ei is only strong cause of Musou Isshin and it's because of who? Makoto.

I don't have to explain why Rukkhadevata > Nahida or Egeria > Focalors or Xbalanque > Mavuika, right?
First of All mavuika > Xbalanque, they had fair duel in soul space where they had all of their powers and Xbalanque still accepted mavuika to be superior, And can you provide source on why only "Original Archon" have it instead of some something's which doesn't negate this in anyway? For example how does relationship between barbatos and Istaroth negate other Gods from having fragment of Primordial One? When Neuvillette literally refers to All of the gods as "Fragments of Primordial"?
 
Bruhh, I am not taking it for All Gods, it is literal statement from game "and all fragments of the primordial were driven to devour each other." All Gods Have it, can you tell me which Original Archons "Devoured" eachother?

Not to mention egeria got divinity by fragment of Primordial One, meaning each God must Also have it since they also have Divinity.

First of All mavuika > Xbalanque, they had fair duel in soul space where they had all of their powers and Xbalanque still accepted mavuika to be superior, And can you provide source on why only "Original Archon" have it instead of some something's which doesn't negate this in anyway? For example how does relationship between barbatos and Istaroth negate other Gods from having fragment of Primordial One? When Neuvillette literally refers to All of the gods as "Fragments of Primordial"?
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Ei is only strong cause of Musou Isshin and it's because of who? Makoto.
Excuse me? She aint no strong because of Musou Isshin/Makoto?
Even current and 500 years ago Mavuika (without Ronova amp) is just Pre-Archon Raiden Ei btw which is pre-authority Raiden Ei.
 
Excuse me? She aint no strong because of Musou Isshin/Makoto?
Even current and 500 years ago Mavuika (without Ronova amp) is just Pre-Archon Raiden Ei btw which is pre-authority Raiden Ei.
Voidnether doesn't even know himself what he is saying I think, does he even know the difference between Ei with Musou isshin and without it🤣🤣 I have seen many people downplay Ei and this was one of the more hilarious takes
 
First of All mavuika > Xbalanque, they had fair duel in soul space where they had all of their powers and Xbalanque still accepted mavuika to be superior,
No, that Space was merely just to removed the limitation of that child's body not regaining Xbalanque's full power from the past. So that He can go all out with that Child body without Hurting it. The Real Xbalanque was a big man with Obsidian Sword.

The fact that Mavuika had to ascend to the Archon Hood first just to be at least comparable to Pre-Archon Xbalanque who manage to toe to toe with the Pyro Dragon.
Prime Xbalanque with Pyro Authority + Ronova Amp is way stronger than Any Mavuika form.
 
No, that Space was merely just to removed the limitation of that child's body not regaining Xbalanque's full power from the past. The Real Xbalanque was a big man with Obsidian Sword.
Exactly, that soul space removed limitations of child's body, so being a "big man with obsidian sword" or "child" doesn't matter, that was a fair duel as said by xbalanque
 
Exactly, that soul space removed limitations of child's body, so being a "big man with obsidian sword" or "child" doesn't matter, that was a fair duel as said by xbalanque
Yeah but that doesn't mean Xbalanque regaining his full power from the past which is his Prime who's stronger than 13 Sovereign Rulers.

Simply, he wants to fight her in that space just dont want to hurt the Child's body.
So at that time, thats the full power of Xbalanque's 1/3 power.
 
Yeah but that doesn't mean Xbalanque regaining his full power from the past which is his Prime who's stronger than 13 Sovereign Rulers.

Simply, he wants to fight her in that space just dont want to hurt thr Child's body.
So at that time, thats the full power of Xbalanque's 1/3 power.
How do you know that version of Xbalanque was weak? Just because he lost or is there any evidence?
 
Excuse me? She aint no strong because of Musou Isshin/Makoto?
Even current and 500 years ago Mavuika (without Ronova amp) is just Pre-Archon Raiden Ei btw which is pre-authority Raiden Ei.
Pre-Archon Raiden Ei is below current Zhongli, you're not convincing anyone with that just because she fought 99 Vision Traveler. Insane glazing when Ei is only comparable to Mavuika as of now only because she awakened Musou Isshin and that was through Makoto/Istaroth
Voidnether doesn't even know himself what he is saying I think, does he even know the difference between Ei with Musou isshin and without it🤣🤣 I have seen many people downplay Ei and this was one of the more hilarious takes
Said by the same person who stated all gods are fragments of Primordial One even though they get fodderized by Morax / Skirk smh 🤦🏻‍♂️
All adeptus, even the half adeptus ones are unfortunately the victimizer of primordial one going by this logic
 
Said by the same person who stated all gods are fragments of Primordial One even though they get fodderized by Morax / Skirk smh 🤦🏻‍♂️
All adeptus, even the half adeptus ones are unfortunately the victimizer of primordial one going by this logic
Just having fragment of Primordial One doesn't scale you anywhere, you can be weak, just like a fragment of 1-A entity doesn't make you 1-A by default, so this statement doesn't even make sense

Fragments may just give ability to use full potential of divine throne

Pre-Archon Raiden Ei is below current Zhongli, you're not convincing anyone with that just because she fought 99 Vision Traveler. Insane glazing when Ei is only comparable to Mavuika as of now only because she awakened Musou Isshin and that was through Makoto/Istaroth
Can you tell how much buff did Musou isshin gave? Since current scaling of Ei is same as when she didn't had Musou isshin because we were not able to quantify the buff, so it would be helpful if you indeed have some info on that
 
Pre-Archon Raiden Ei is below current Zhongli, you're not convincing anyone with that just because she fought 99 Vision Traveler. Insane glazing when Ei is only comparable to Mavuika as of now only because she awakened Musou Isshin and that was through Makoto/Istaroth
??? 😂😂
This is funny, the same Mavuika with Authority who performed Pre-Archon Raiden Ei feat at her best btw and you say Raiden only comparable to Mavuika because she unlock Musou Isshin's full power? Thats just ridiculous. This is not glazing but the facts. And no ones bringing 99 vision traveler.
 
Pre-Archon Raiden Ei is below current Zhongli, you're not convincing anyone with that just because she fought 99 Vision Traveler. Insane glazing when Ei is only comparable to Mavuika as of now only because she awakened Musou Isshin and that was through Makoto/Istaroth

Said by the same person who stated all gods are fragments of Primordial One even though they get fodderized by Morax / Skirk smh 🤦🏻‍♂️
All adeptus, even the half adeptus ones are unfortunately the victimizer of primordial one going by this logic
Raiden is now much stronger than during the Archon War, because after fighting the Shogun 500 years ago, she was able to awaken the full power of the Mushou Ishin, apart from that, Raiden didn't use the Mushou Ishin when facing Orobashi, you can see it in the trailer that she brought was not the Mushou Ishin.
 
How do you know that version of Xbalanque was weak? Just because he lost or is there any evidence?
Heres he said:
The great Xbalanque, impressed upon a child's body, found less than a third of his original strength available to him. In that form, I'd lost my strength of body.
Later after this quote from him, he simply said "but in here we can go all out" With that "less than a third" of his original strenght.

As i said before, he went to that space so he can go all out with that fragments of his original strenght
 
text from neuvillette's profile is not egeria, the one referring to egeria is the text from wind glider fontaine
I never said it was the former, it should be obvious it's the latter that I meant
Just having fragment of Primordial One doesn't scale you anywhere, you can be weak, just like a fragment of 1-A entity doesn't make you 1-A by default, so this statement doesn't even make sense

Fragments may just give ability to use full potential of divine throne


Can you tell how much buff did Musou isshin gave? Since current scaling of Ei is same as when she didn't had Musou isshin because we were not able to quantify the buff, so it would be helpful if you indeed have some info on that
Problem is, Shades are also a fragment of Primordial One yet they're massively stronger. No one is capable of using the full potential except for Egeria and Xbalanque, Focalors even only tried to destroy it instead of utilizing it + Mavuika had to be amped by Ronova

Awakened Musou Isshin Ei is comparable to 5.8 Venti where he had a part of Istaroth's authority
??? 😂😂
This is funny, the same Mavuika with Authority who performed Pre-Archon Raiden Ei feat at her best btw and you say Raiden only comparable to Mavuika because she unlock Musou Isshin's full power? Thats just ridiculous. This is not glazing but the facts. And no ones bringing 99 vision traveler
This is insane cope bro
 
Prove it wrong then dont just "insane cope" Lol, youre not answering anything.

Give me one good feat of Post-Archon Mavuika (without Ronova amp) feats that is stronger than Pre-Archon Raiden Ei right here.
You are menace, asking him to give you money existent thing 🤣🤣
 
Heres he said:

Later after this quote from him, he simply said "but in here we can go all out" With that "less than a third" of his original strenght.

As i said before, he went to that space so he can go all out with that fragments of his original strenght
Don't cropout part where he talks about why he was in his prime in soul space🥲

Xbalanque: As I said, I knew you to be a born warrior the moment I laid eyes on you. But there are two forms of human strength: that of the body, and of the spirit.
Xbalanque: The great Xbalanque, impressed upon a child's body, found less than a third of his original strength available to him. In that form, I'd lost my strength of body.
Xbalanque: But here, we meet as our true spiritual selves. In this place, even a child may shake heaven and earth due to the great soul within.
In that fight both were in their prime since in soul space they were "true spiritual selves", Mavuika > Xbalanque, he even mentions that before that fight he used to believe himself to be strongest, and also mentioned how mavuika wasn't going all out
 
Prove it wrong then dont just "insane cope" Lol, youre not answering anything.

Give me one good feat of Post-Archon Mavuika (without Ronova amp) that is stronger than Pre-Archon Raiden Ei right here.
It's coping cause you literally said Post-Archon Mavuika with Ronova's amp only makes her equal to Pre-Archon Raiden Ei
This is funny, the same Mavuika with Authority who performed Pre-Archon Raiden Ei feat at her best
Tell me what this is, if it's not coping cause this is just glazing the hell out of Ei. Had to be the equivalent of Surtalogi glazing atp
 
In that fight both were in their prime since in soul space they were "true spiritual selves", Mavuika > Xbalanque, he even mentions that before that fight he used to believe himself to be strongest, and also mentioned how mavuika wasn't going all out
Its not in his Prime even though they were just almost spiritual form in that space.
The reason is still the same. Not to mention he doesn't have any Pyro Authority at that time.

He believe that he was the strongest warrior because he's never been defeated, now that he got defeated for the first time he just can't believe it.

Pre-Archon Mavuika doesn't have any feats that as good as Xbalanque's Pre-Archon Feat. Pre-Archon Xbalanque manage to toe to toe with the Pyro Dragon and eventually killing the Pyro Dragon despite he also died at the moment but thats just the most impressive feat of Normal Human strenght.
After Xbalanque becoming an Archon he got his Authority of Pyro obviously and later on he borrowed Ronova's Power.

From this alone, Mavuika had to be an Archon first to be at least comparable to Pre-Archon Xbalanque who manage to killed the Pyro Dragon. Not Post-Archon Xbalanque who's many times stronger than his Pre-Archon form.
 
It's coping cause you literally said Post-Archon Mavuika with Ronova's amp only makes her equal to Pre-Archon Raiden Ei

Tell me what this is, if it's not coping cause this is just glazing the hell out of Ei. Had to be the equivalent of Surtalogi glazing atp
First of all, He didn't include Ronova amp

secondly that won't be wrong either
 
First of all, He didn't include Ronova amp

secondly that won't be wrong either
Post-Archon Mavuika with Authority is literally Ronova's amp, you don't expect the Authority meant here was when Mavuika fought Gosoysoth with the Traveler, no?

It's totally not wrong when Ei's best feat is slaying the Orobashi (Pre-Archon) yet she beats Post-Archon Mavuika even with Authority despite Mavuika is capable of killing Gosoysoth with that 😭😭😭 How cooked are you bro

Genuinely no one is going to be convinced Pre-Archon Raiden Ei is somehow stronger than Post-Archon Mavuika even with the supposed "Authority"
 
It's coping cause you literally said Post-Archon Mavuika with Ronova's amp only makes her equal to Pre-Archon Raiden Ei
? 😂
Holy strawman.
Mavuika with Ronova Amp obviously stronger than the entire Raiden Ei.
Tell me what this is, if it's not coping cause this is just glazing the hell out of Ei. Had to be the equivalent of Surtalogi glazing atp
Thats just what it is not glazing lmaoo, everyones knows that
 
? 😂
Holy strawman.
Mavuika with Ronova Amp obviously stronger than the entire Raiden Ei.

Thats just what it is not glazing lmaoo, everyones knows that
List Pre-Archon Raiden Ei's achievement other than her being incapable of saving Makoto + Only killed fodder Abyss monsters back in Cataclysm, compared to Mavuika with Authority who slained Gosoysoth themselves
 
In my opinion, Mavuika with the authority of Ronova should be the strongest, perhaps followed by Venti with the authority of Istaroth.
Mavuika 500 years ago was comparable to Ei when fighting Orobashi, as Ei explained that Mavuika caused damage equivalent to Musoujin in Khaenriah. So Ei now should be stronger than Mavuika without the power of Ronova, as the power of Ronova is a one-time use, and Ei is now able to use Musou Ishin at full power, and this is not aided by the authority of Istaroth but rather triggered by Ei's will during the fight against the shogun. Istaroth's power only applies when Ei plants a cherry blossom tree rooted in the past, as in the books before Sun and Moon, it was explained that Istaroth was indeed able to bring seed to the past and future.
 
Post-Archon Mavuika with Authority is literally Ronova's amp, you don't expect the Authority meant here was when Mavuika fought Gosoysoth with the Traveler, no?
She had a temporary amped from Ronova, thats literally doesn't count to be HER own power because she's just borrow it.
It's totally not wrong when Ei's best feat is slaying the Orobashi (Pre-Archon) yet she beats Post-Archon Mavuika even with Authority despite Mavuika is capable of killing Gosoysoth with that 😭😭😭 How cooked are you bro
How funny are you while Mavuika had lost her power until she borrows ronova's power. She borrows Ronova's power until she killed Gosoythoth stated by The Lord of the Night.

So that Mavuika in Act 5 is under Ronova's power.
 
She had a temporary amped from Ronova, thats literally doesn't count to be HER own power because she's just borrow it.

How funny are you while Mavuika had lost her power until she borrows ronova's power. She borrows Ronova's power until she killed Gosoythoth stated by The Lord of the Night.

So that Mavuika in Act 5 is under Ronova's power.
Somehow you still don't understand Mavuika with Authority meant Mavuika with Ronova's power, not an entirely different thing

I'm amazed honestly
 
In my opinion, Mavuika with the authority of Ronova should be the strongest, perhaps followed by Venti with the authority of Istaroth.
Mavuika 500 years ago was comparable to Ei when fighting Orobashi, as Ei explained that Mavuika caused damage equivalent to Musoujin in Khaenriah. So Ei now should be stronger than Mavuika without the power of Ronova, as the power of Ronova is a one-time use, and Ei is now able to use Musou Ishin at full power, and this is not aided by the authority of Istaroth but rather triggered by Ei's will during the fight against the shogun. Istaroth's power only applies when Ei plants a cherry blossom tree rooted in the past, as in the books before Sun and Moon, it was explained that Istaroth was indeed able to bring seed to the past and future.
And that same Mavuika 500 years ago isn't even comparable to Pre-Archon Raiden Ei when Post-Archon Raiden Ei's best feat is slaying Orobashi before Musou Isshin is awakened. Genuinely insane to me how Post-Archon Mavuika with Authority was stated to be below Pre-Archon Raiden Ei by Sahl when Authority obviously meant to Mavuika borrowing Ronova's power anyway

Like, atleast Sahl could've catch that Mavuika 500 years ago is comparable to Post-Archon Raiden Ei with Orobashi smh
 
And that same Mavuika 500 years ago isn't even comparable to Pre-Archon Raiden Ei when Post-Archon Raiden Ei's best feat is slaying Orobashi before Musou Isshin is awakened. Genuinely insane to me how Post-Archon Mavuika with Authority was stated to be below Pre-Archon Raiden Ei by Sahl when Authority obviously meant to Mavuika borrowing Ronova's power anyway
Ei best feat is now when she is able to use the mushou no hitotachi with the full power of the mushou ishin, because when she fought Orobashi Raiden was not able to use that power.
 
List Pre-Archon Raiden Ei's achievement other than her being incapable of saving Makoto + Only killed fodder Abyss monsters back in Cataclysm, compared to Mavuika with Authority who slained Gosoysoth themselves
Pfftttttttttttt
Bros still dont realize that Mavuika killed gosoythoth with Ronova's power? Hello? 😂

First of all buddy do you know how Mavuika unleashed Ronova's power? Its by gathering the 6 heroes of each tribes.
Do you realize there was 6 obsidian totems that represents the 6 heroes? Thats how she and traveler unlocked Ronova's power, and thats also why they can harm Gosoythoth 3 Times and then they performed the final blow 😂
–The fact that Mavuika literally gives no damage to gosoythoth before she unleashing Ronova's power is proving that she ain't no match for Gosoythoth.

Oh yeah one more thing, First Mavuika couldn't beat Gosoythoth without a higher power, and theres two options of those higher power:
1. Gnosis
2. Ronova's power.

She said:
"I can use the power of the Gnosis to save Natlan, but it comes at a heavy price"
"The Gnosis would drain all the souls and memories from the Night Kingdom and weave them into a giant net, which would surround the Ley Lines and protect them against Abyssal corrosion.
From this, we know that Mavuika could defeat Gosoythoth with the Gnosis even without Ronova's power but the price is WAY TOO HEAVY because it would sacrifice all souls and memories in the Night Kingdom, basically it would reset Natlan to 0 Again.

So instead of using the Gnosis she chose the second option which is Ronova's power that only sacrificed herself. So from here we can conclude that MAVUIKA CANNOT BEAT GOSOYTHOTH WITH HER OWN POWER. She had to use Either of Gnosis power or Ronova's Power.
 
And that same Mavuika 500 years ago isn't even comparable to Pre-Archon Raiden Ei when Post-Archon Raiden Ei's best feat is slaying Orobashi before Musou Isshin is awakened. Genuinely insane to me how Post-Archon Mavuika with Authority was stated to be below Pre-Archon Raiden Ei by Sahl when Authority obviously meant to Mavuika borrowing Ronova's power anyway

Like, atleast Sahl could've catch that Mavuika 500 years ago is comparable to Post-Archon Raiden Ei with Orobashi smh
For your kind information Ei slew orobaxi pre Archonhood, it was when makoto was Archon
 
Somehow you still don't understand Mavuika with Authority meant Mavuika with Ronova's power, not an entirely different thing

I'm amazed honestly
Oh wow..
Ancient Dragon's Authority = Ronova's power.
okay okay, New Knowledge right here😂
 
Oh yeah one more thing, First Mavuika couldn't beat Gosoythoth without a higher power, and theres two options of those higher power:
1. Gnosis
2. Ronova's power.
I think, higher powers always refer to the powers of the shades or heavenly principles. i don't ever remember gnosis being mentioned as a higher power
 
I think, higher powers always refer to the powers of the shades or heavenly principles. i don't ever remember gnosis being mentioned as a higher power
Even if its never been stated as a Higher Power but a Gnosis is logically a Higher Power. It can boost your Elemental Power to even a greater level, even an Archon can become far stronger with it.
 
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