Gengar vs Grimmsnarl

[XXKINGXX69]

Gengar vs Grimmsnarl

Both are Gigantamaxed

Battle is in Wyndon's battle tower

Gengar - 1 (FinePoint
Grimmsnarl - 1 (Gyro

 

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[Yomi_Schwarz]

How do we deal with pokemon abilities in a pokemon vs. pokemon battle? Like is this prankster grimmsnarl and cursed body gengar or does that not matter here?

 

[XXKINGXX69]

How do we deal with pokemon abilities in a pokemon vs. pokemon battle? Like is this prankster grimmsnarl and cursed body gengar or does that not matter here?

Use your knowledge to tell what parts of those abilities are game mechanics and which are canon

Assume they have both abilities

 

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[Arceus0x]

Abilities are counted as fully functional here

 

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[FinePoint]

Yes. There is an ongoing revision for how Pokémon stuff interacts with over verses, but in a Pokémon Vs Pokémon they should all function exactly as they're supposed to.

Anyways, they both have a type advantage, but isn't Grimmsnarl G-Max Snooze just GG if he can live a couple Max Poison moves?

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Yes. There is an ongoing revision for how Pokémon stuff interacts with over verses, but in a Pokémon Vs Pokémon they should all function exactly as they're supposed to.

Anyways, they both have a type advantage, but isn't Grimmsnarl G-Max Snooze just GG if he can live a couple Max Poison moves?

Gengar has hax

 

[FinePoint]

Gengar has hax

Not when gigantamaxed.
They can't use their normal moves.
All he has is some boosts and his trapping move.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Not when gigantamaxed.
They can't use their normal moves.
All he has is some boosts and his trapping move.

Fear Manipulation via Max Terror (Prevents the opponent from switching out or fleeing)

 

[FinePoint]

Fear Manipulation via Max Terror (Prevents the opponent from switching out or fleeing)

Yes, that's what I mean.
Grimmsnarl doesn't want to flee anyways.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Yes, that's what I mean.
Grimmsnarl doesn't want to flee anyways.

Its fear manipulation though. Gengar has phasing through dimensions too, and can heal and regen

 

[FinePoint]

Its fear manipulation though. Gengar has phasing through dimensions too, and can heal and regen

And Grimmsnarl will put him to sleep, at which point none of that helps.
And it is fear manipulation, but Pokémon can still attack while trapped.

 

[FinePoint]

Actually, Grimmsnarl only has to survive ONE attack, since he can max guard after that to ensure the sleep.
After Gengar is asleep, he can just spam dark attacks.

 

[GyroNutz]

"G-Max Snooze inflicts damage and has a 50% chance of making the target drowsy, causing it to fall asleep the next turn"

I wouldn't say it's GG. Gengar resists Sleep Manipulation.

 

[FinePoint]

"G-Max Snooze inflicts damage and has a 50% chance of making the target drowsy, causing it to fall asleep the next turn"

Ah, I forgot it's only 50%.

I wouldn't say it's GG. Gengar resists Sleep Manipulation.

Why?

 

[GyroNutz]

Why?

Nonsleeper IQ skill

 

[FinePoint]

Nonsleeper IQ skill

We still use Mystery Dungeon skills for gigantamax?
I don't even see it on the profile.

 

[Yomi_Schwarz]

Grimmsnarl would need to end this fight immediately for him to win since Gengar has cursed body which will limit his movepool as the fight goes AND the fact that Grimmsnarl has pitiful sp. def. Gengar would easily murk grimmsnarl if he wakes up.

 

[Yomi_Schwarz]

I generally think crossverse pokemon battles are a headache....

im pretty sure this is likely incon

 

[GyroNutz]

We still use Mystery Dungeon skills for gigantamax?
I don't even see it on the profile.

I don't see why they'd lose their IQ skills.

And yeah that's more of a case of our profiles being incomplete.

 

[Yomi_Schwarz]

I thought the profiles only cover the mainline games?

Shouldn't mystery dungeon versions of the pokemon just get their own separate profile?

 

[FinePoint]

Actually, the only attacking poison move Gengar learns is smog... which is pitiful.

Grimmsnarl would need to end this fight immediately for him to win since Gengar has cursed body which will limit his movepool as the fight goes AND the fact that Grimmsnarl has pitiful sp. def. Gengar would easily murk grimmsnarl if he wakes up.

Well, the exact Spdf stat is sort of game mechanics. If we used that I could just go
0 SpA Grimmsnarl-Gmax G-Max Snooze vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Dynamax Gengar-Gmax: 338-402 (64.7 - 77%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

But we can't.
Though it is worth mentioning that Grimmsnarl's G-Max move does 2x while Gengar's does 1/2x.
Also max moves can't be disabled.

 

[GyroNutz]

I thought the profiles only cover the mainline games?

Shouldn't mystery dungeon versions of the pokemon just get their own separate profile?

Nah they cover everything that's canon, Executor did a thread on that a while back.

 

[FinePoint]

Nah they cover everything that's canon, Executor did a thread on that a while back.

So, I checked and Gengar doesn't get nonsleeper.
He's in Group G which get these skills.

 

[FinePoint]

So, so far we have:
Grimmsnarl has a 2x G-max move, while Gengar's does 1/2x.
Both of their G-Max effects are useless.
Gengar's cursed body is countered by the nature of Dynamax, given max moves can't be disabled.

 

[GyroNutz]

So, I checked and Gengar doesn't get nonsleeper.
He's in Group G which get these skills.

He gets it from the first Mystery Dungeon - Blue/Red Rescue Team

 

[FinePoint]

He gets it from the first Mystery Dungeon - Blue/Red Rescue Team

Oh, I see.
Okay, so he can't be put to sleep.
Still has better typing where moves are concerned.
Hate that the IQ skills mean newer pokemon are just straight up weaker egh

Honestly this fight would be more interesting with their actual move sets. The max moves are so generic lol.

 

[GyroNutz]

Hate that the IQ skills mean newer pokemon are just straight up weaker egh

Eh, older Pokemon are always gonna be stronger on average than newer ones, simply for the fact that they've had more time to appear in the anime, the manga, side games, TCG, more dex entries, etc.

Anyways, Gengar has a lot of versatility but yeah some of that won't matter due to Max Moves. Still, Gengar gets Clear Smog through breeding, and with the special attack boosts it gets each time it'll become quite spammable, and Mid regen will keep it in the game for a while. Kinda siding with Gengar atm

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Eh, older Pokemon are always gonna be stronger on average than newer ones, simply for the fact that they've had more time to appear in the anime, the manga, side games, TCG, more dex entries, etc.

Anyways, Gengar has a lot of versatility but yeah some of that won't matter due to Max Moves. Still, Gengar gets Clear Smog through breeding, and with the special attack boosts it gets each time it'll become quite spammable, and Mid regen will keep it in the game for a while. Kinda siding with Gengar atm

Ok

 

[FinePoint]

Eh, older Pokemon are always gonna be stronger on average than newer ones, simply for the fact that they've had more time to appear in the anime, the manga, side games, TCG, more dex entries, etc.

Anyways, Gengar has a lot of versatility but yeah some of that won't matter due to Max Moves. Still, Gengar gets Clear Smog through breeding, and with the special attack boosts it gets each time it'll become quite spammable, and Mid regen will keep it in the game for a while. Kinda siding with Gengar atm

True. Half of Snarl's movepool is negated by ghost type, including his ability to speed-debuff and attack-buff.
Which means all that's left is Dark and Fairy. Dark turns into Max-Snooze, and Fairy just creates terrain.

There's worlds where Gengar loses if it tries to use ghost-type moves instead, though.
Do we know if Gengar is smart enough to use one of his only two poison moves consistently enough not to get beat down by Max-Snooze which does 2x?

 

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