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Gargos vs The Didact
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Didact FRA if this isn't a stomp
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Need to address this again
How does he fare against astral projection and mindhax?
How does he fare against astral projection and mindhax?
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Not well
But unless Gargos leads with either he gets punted
But unless Gargos leads with either he gets punted
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Mindhax is a very consistent ability he uses, he used it on Earth to create cults dedicated to worshipping him
And if he knows he's going to die he just leaves his body and uses hax from another dimension so if TD can't reach him there then he's screwed
And if he knows he's going to die he just leaves his body and uses hax from another dimension so if TD can't reach him there then he's screwed
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>5-6 dimensional axises sounds like a massive hyperbole; not even 4 dimensional stuff was accepted. It's just regular hypersleep travel + Pocket Reality manipulation. Also, Didact doesn't resist mind hacking or Astral projection; both of which would screw him over horribly. I'm also positive Gargos could just teleport to avoid the composer, Slipspace Portal, attacks, ect. Also, mind manipulation could force the Didact to basically blow himself up.
I'm leaning towards Gargos here actually.
I'm leaning towards Gargos here actually.
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It aint really? I mean both starting moves by Didact negate Gargos' Soul TP to the Astral Plane as BFR him to Slipspace would not only kill him due to radiation, he can seal him there and throw him to a random universe, tought If his Low-Godly is combat applicable is something idk.
And Composer would make him mindless.
Altought Gargos uses mindhax, Didact's armor and War Sphinx could confuse him and think that he is a robot like Gargos and would prefer to go for a classic Fisticuffs fight.
And Composer would make him mindless.
Altought Gargos uses mindhax, Didact's armor and War Sphinx could confuse him and think that he is a robot like Gargos and would prefer to go for a classic Fisticuffs fight.
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The difference is that the Composer requires time to charge where as Gargos' mind hax is just a thought based reaction time. Also, his enhanced senses and mind reading would already give him the info of Didact being a guy in a suit. As mentioned above, he can detect minds from thousands of kilometers away; which means detecting Didact from inside the suit wouldn't be an issue for him.
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Gargos fra
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Actually, the composer taking 2 seconds to charge would give Gargos enough time to teleport out of out of the way and behind Didact. And the activation of the composer is more so click of a button he telekinetically triggers rather than just thought based; not too far off but still. Didact still doesn't have an answer against astral projection or mind manipulation.
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You know that the composer has a range bigger than 10 meters, it would hit him regardless, also how is gonna Gargos react to a beam falling from the sky? The composer is tought based, telekineticly pushing a button sounds like the dumbest design idea knowing that some builders didnt have tk powers begin with and those we're the guys that build the ships (And the fact that, like, 90% of Forerunner tech is tought based).
If Gargos gets his mind sealed not even astral projection and Low-Godly is gonna save him.
If Gargos gets his mind sealed not even astral projection and Low-Godly is gonna save him.
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It has dozens of kilometers yes, but Gargos has thousands of kilometers with mind manipulation, which is much higher than the Composer's range. Also, speed is equalized, and the Composer would initially be far enough away for Gargos to react to; being in the sky is actually a weakness. Forerunners use programmable computers for all their technology. They suits basically have remote controls for their ships and use digital manipulation for their technology.
The Composer is going to need to actually hit him in order for that that work, which Gargos has far more methods of avoiding it than Didact has avoiding mind control.
The Composer is going to need to actually hit him in order for that that work, which Gargos has far more methods of avoiding it than Didact has avoiding mind control.
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One is planetary and the other has 200 km range, SBA puts them at 4 km max, so the Composer would hit him regardless.
Their tech is tought based, they used AIs and similar programms, yes, but even machines like the Cryptum which is a literal punishment chamber can be controled with toughts and has no internal machinery whatsoever.
Again, even if Didact gets mindhaxed Gargos wouldnt just float away, he would believe that he won and get Virtualized, as SBA would still make the Composer took him by surprise, not to mention that War Sphinx can still upload his memory to a database and upload said memory to a new body, like what happend when he was testing the composer for the first time.
EDIT: Going to sleep, would continue tomorrow.
Their tech is tought based, they used AIs and similar programms, yes, but even machines like the Cryptum which is a literal punishment chamber can be controled with toughts and has no internal machinery whatsoever.
Again, even if Didact gets mindhaxed Gargos wouldnt just float away, he would believe that he won and get Virtualized, as SBA would still make the Composer took him by surprise, not to mention that War Sphinx can still upload his memory to a database and upload said memory to a new body, like what happend when he was testing the composer for the first time.
EDIT: Going to sleep, would continue tomorrow.
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Wait a second, I noticed the OP has Gargos fighting the Mantle's Approach as opposed to the War Sphinx. Actually, this might actually be one sided in Gargos' favor if that's the case. Because it's simple, Gargos could just teleport himself on board the ship so the ship cannot hit him; meaning all he would have to worry about is 7-B Didact.
This says the Composer has several dozens of kilometers for range; 200 might hyperbolic and was done using guess work. John's ship was stated to be 200 kilometers away, but that had nothing to do with the Composer's range. But still, it takes a lot more time for a beam to travel 4 kilometers than it does for someone of the same speed on a speed equalized thread to just think and poof himself on board the ship, or even in another dimension away from the Battlefield.
With Didact getting Mind hacked, he won't be able to use the Composer; in fact, everything he had in his possession including the Composer or the Mantle's Approach could backfire right back onto the Didact. And of course, 7-B Didact is powerless against Gargos boarding the ship in person.
This says the Composer has several dozens of kilometers for range; 200 might hyperbolic and was done using guess work. John's ship was stated to be 200 kilometers away, but that had nothing to do with the Composer's range. But still, it takes a lot more time for a beam to travel 4 kilometers than it does for someone of the same speed on a speed equalized thread to just think and poof himself on board the ship, or even in another dimension away from the Battlefield.
With Didact getting Mind hacked, he won't be able to use the Composer; in fact, everything he had in his possession including the Composer or the Mantle's Approach could backfire right back onto the Didact. And of course, 7-B Didact is powerless against Gargos boarding the ship in person.
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5-C refers to either or; though Mantle's Approach does have a likely higher. OP still says "Fights a ******* ship" , it doesn't say "Giant Robot" or something like that; but it's preferable to here from the OP.
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That edit never officially went through as there wasn't really enough staff input. Additionally, Mantle's Approach isn't quite "A Builder Ship," it's Warrior Servant Ship on pretty much the same boat as War Sphinxes.
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I think your arrows are backwards, but wasn't it mentioned Mantle's Approach is like one of the oldest ships ever built? And kind of predates the War Sphinxes? It does still scale from what was pretty much the same feat as the War Sphinxes as its primary justification.
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Yeah, sorry 'bout that, but even as one of the oldest ship is still stronger than some of the strongest Builder ships (Which arent even made for combat purposes) and the Builder ship totally foderizes 3 Sphinxes, but lets drop the subject, point is that the Mantle stupidly dwarves Sphinxes' 5-C in which could turn this into a stomp.
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The Builder Ships aren't used for combat yes, but they still have raw power that heavily dwarfs warrior ships; they still move around Shield Worlds and Space Stations that the Mantle is incapable of lifting. But I agree that it's off topic.
But still, regardless of massive AP gap, if it can't really hit Gargos due to being too small of a target and teleporting on board the ship before it can act; then it's actually a stomp for the opposite reason. But let's wait for @Xtasyamphetamine to clarify if War Sphinx or Mantle's Approach is being used.
But still, regardless of massive AP gap, if it can't really hit Gargos due to being too small of a target and teleporting on board the ship before it can act; then it's actually a stomp for the opposite reason. But let's wait for @Xtasyamphetamine to clarify if War Sphinx or Mantle's Approach is being used.
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5-C versions mean War Sphinx since it says so on his page. But I doubt that won't let him use his transmutation since I've seen in his other matches that he can still pilot the thing from a distance.
5-C versions mean War Sphinx since it says so on his page. But I doubt that won't let him use his transmutation since I've seen in his other matches that he can still pilot the thing from a distance.
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