G1 Optimus Prime revision

[MechaMMaser]

So I took a look at some of the older IDW Transformers comic books and analysed certain events (All Hail Megatron and Chaos Theory Part one) In AHM Prime survives disabling a working space bridge after being tortured without the Matrix and then in Chaos Theory he survives being inside an Antimatter chamber, where would those feats put him in terms of durability?

Here's some info on space bridge and how it works http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Space_bridge

As for the antimatter chamber, it uses energy drawn from a blackhole, so I would assume it's the same as being inside one if my logic is correct. Also, shouldn't Optimus Prime with the Matrix Power at least be 2-C? The Star Saber is stated to possess power to collapse the Multiversal stack and destroy whole existence and with the Matrix always being the main component it is safe to assume that it's true power comes from the Matrix itself.

Here are the scans:

http://sta.sh/06v5vj51t9c

http://sta.sh/01tqj45ccy53

http://sta.sh/0kapfqykbuy

 

[Antvasima]

You will have to ask Iustitia Prime about this. He is the Transformers expert.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

This guy here, yup. @Code Warrior

 

[MechaMMaser]

Alright, waiting for his reponse.

 

[Iustitia_Prime]

Anything involving space bridges or transwarp space is pretty unquantifiable I think unless you found some calc for me to look at. As for antimatter, while it proves Optimus survives absurd things I don't think it makes IDW Optimus star level. Antimatter is dangerous because of annihilation, the process in which matter and antimatter destroy eachother. So contact with antimatter it more like being erased I think than traditional attacks.

As for the Matrix, that's the Origin Matrix. And it's in a convention-exclusive comic story written for the purpose of retconning the TF mulitverse. And Optimus Prime's main page is a composite page that I'm working to break down into separate incarnations of Optimus. Ignore it.

 

[MechaMMaser]

Well, it's been established and stated multiple times for all space bridges in the Transformers fiction that, as Sentinel from the third Bay movie easily puts it, they defy the laws of physics and basically screw with time and space in order to transport something somewhere. I do suppose that it must be a very large feat, considering that Space Bridges aren't just any form of space travel that transport things by placing their molecular construction from one place to another. Can't really say much more than that though.

As for Antimatter, I've heard that it separated universal streams of the Transformers multiverse and is an extra-dimensional substance in it's nature, so maybe there's more to it than that? After all, it sounds powerful.

I realize, I know this sounds like a stretch at this point, but Tfwiki states that "Similarly to the Origin Matrix, the Matrix of Leadership of the Aligned continuity family and of the IDW Generation 1 continuity is said to have once adorned the hilt of Star Saber when Prima wielded it."

After all, we don't know if there truly are any differences between the two Matrixes, both are known to hold a fragment of Primus' power and alike Prima who used to be a multiversal singularity, it existed along with him in different universes as the same object with only one difference, the Matrix was different. We'll ignore the Unicron Trilogy Star Saber as it isn't even linked to the whole Prime legacy and is ultimately a poweful sword made of the combination of several minicons bearing the same name as the legendary weapon when combined.

And don't worry, I'm not touching your page, I was more interested in having at least some other ones edited in order for the durability feats to be added.

 

[Iustitia_Prime]

Again we're conflating continuity. Bay movies are completely different continuity and part of the Tyran cluster of universes. IDW is G1 and part of the Primax cluster. It shouldn't be cited anymore than Ultimate Marvel in relation to 616.

Antimatter is just negatively charged matter dude. It's not a mystical force, it's literally matter made with opposite charges. So instead of protons and electrons like matter, antimatter has antiprotons and positrons (antielectrons). This is why matter-antimatter collisions are so dangerous. They cancel eachother out in what is called annihilation. So you're literally being erased as your own molecules explode. We can't just assume there's more to it. It's powerful since even a gram of antimatter can yield town level destruction when colliding with matter, I'll grant that. But Optimus has a better feat, I think, in surviving the Toraxxis Mega-refinery unharmed which was an explosion on Cybertron visible from space which killed thousands. You're free to do the math though since I don't know which is mathematically more impressive.

Right they're saying that similar for having been part of a Star Saber's hilt, not for having the same level of power. Which even then we don't even know how much power the Origin Matrix on its own has. We've seen the Origin Matrix, Star Saber and Terminus Blade used simultaneously to strengthen the barriers between universes but we don't know the true limits of each individual artifact. But even then it doesn't scale to every Matrix.

 

[MechaMMaser]

I know, I know, I'm not saying that bayverse and G1 are the same and I'm not implying that in any way, I'm just saying that the concept of the space bridge that is shared throughout many Transformers universes is exactly the same and is what Sentinel Prime says it is, even Tfwiki chooses to generalize the concept of what the Space Bridge is because it's essentially a time and space warping device.

I'm sorry, I just don't know much about antimatter in general, the reason why I needed some other opinions on it besides my own. Still though, surviving total annihilation is quite impressive.

As for the Toraxxis Mega-refinery, there was a forum called space battles and some people took it upon themselves to calculate the possible power of that blast. I'll just post it here for your approval. "Eyeballing that explosion, it's about 1/20th of the planet's diameter (116,464/20 = 5823.2 km) We see it created a very deep crater, so lowballing and assume depth is 1/4th of its diameter, dome volume would be 25847720669.46 km^3 It's clearly a heat effect so using melting of granite (lowball again since Cybertron seems to mostly be made of metal) we get a yield of 38 exatons." Also, one more thing to note, we can scale off Optimus' durability off of Megatron since they're stated to be equals to each other it is safe to assume and conclude that it goes for their raw power and durability which is approved by their toy bios, even though they give Prime better level of durability overall and leave Megatron with only 9 points while rewarding Optimus with 10. There's alot of controversy going on with toy bios, but I do believe that they could be used, after all it is thanks to them that we know Megatron is capable of using antimatter and that Piranacon is capable of lifting weights over 4 million tons.

I know, I've said I was stretching the concept at this point since there was no specific information given on whether the two Matrixes have the same amount of power or not. It's kind of disappointing that we've never really got to see the true potential that houses within the Matrix of Leadership.

 

[Iustitia_Prime]

Are you Nikto Nikto from YouTube? I feel like these are copy and paste arguments I've seen.

 

[Iustitia_Prime]

Regardless that calc is based off the faulty assumption Cybertron is Saturn-sized in IDW which there's no proof for.

 

[MechaMMaser]

Yes, that would be me, and you're Pantheon, the guy who made the Death Battle video, correct?

Then I'm afraid I can't provide any more help with the Toraxxis calculation.

 

[MechaMMaser]

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/All_Hail_Megatron_issue_7 Welp, I've finally found the page which states that the Space Bridge from the IDW G1 continuity is, indeed, a wormhole device, nothing more than that, but I think that's just enough.