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SpecifyThe solar flare feat is pretty solid imo
To be honest, in those cases either the characters were off guard and/or they were not aware of the existence of such technique, at least when it come to the Androids, Frieza and Zamasu.If you gonna argue Kid Goku is FTL because of Muh solar flare, then you gotta accept Frieza, Piccolo, Trunks, Androids, Goku black and Zamasu being Below Light speed cuz they got blitzed by it.
Yes stephano's calculation is good, but the solar flare is not actually light speed it depends on the speed of the users ki.
That's how ki attacks work, or else solar flare won't work on anyone post saiyan saga.Where it was stated that Solar Flare's speed it depends on the speed of the users Ki?
Maybe it's speed can be further amped by the users ki. We know from Herms the solar flare turns ki into light & the lightsource becomes stronger the more ki the users have.
That's how ki attacks work, or else solar flare won't work on anyone post saiyan saga.
Light from these attacks also depends on a users ki, so do explosions, in fact the current MFTL+ speed calculation actually measures the speed of Goku and beerus light.That its true for energy attacks yes, but there is nothing in the series that suggest the same happen with the Solar Flare, which isn't a standard offensive move.
Maybe it's speed can be further amped by the users ki. We know from Herms the solar flare turns ki into light & the lightsource becomes stronger the more ki the users have. Most of the time in DB speed grows to a simular rate with strength. DemonMitch, a calc member agreed on the calc, how many others are needed?
Goku's Staff sent him to the Moon(while carrying the Rabbit gang) & back in chapter 17. There's also Buff Roshi's Sub-Relativistic+ Kamehameha, already used. In chapter 96 he outpeeds lasers twice. The laser travels in straight lines, comes out of advanced tech/Red Ribbon Mech(there're already laser as fast & faster than light IRL. The World of DB has way more advanced teechnology), and there's also this rule.
Light from these attacks also depends on a users ki, so do explosions, in fact the current MFTL+ speed calculation actually measures the speed of Goku and beerus light.
We are never shown Goku actually reacting or outspeeding the Solar Flare, he could've grabbed Roshi’s glasses while Tien’s was preparing the technique.
What about Kid Goku using Roshi's sunglasses to counter the Solar Flare? That can only be possible if the light from the Solar Flare work like real light.How many of the requirements does Solar Flare actually meet?
Goku could’ve easily eluded his notice by moving faster than the eye can see, which he had done at several points earlier in the fight.That's also unlikely, Tien would had notice it instead to continue, he even rush in the same point where Kid Goku was before firing the Solar Flare.
Because of the sun glasses working it meets two of the 5 requirements. 3 if it has ever been referred to as light which it probably has been so it meets 3 out of 5 requirementsMoreover, I’m pretty sure the Solar Flare needs to follow our lightspeed qualifications as well.
But Tien would have still realize that Goku had moved from that spot, even if he couldn't follow his movement he would have see him disappear from his view.Goku could’ve easily eluded his notice by moving faster than the eye can see, which he had done at several points earlier in the fight.
Because of the sun glasses working it meets two of the 5 requirements. 3 if it has ever been referred to as light which it probably has been so it meets 3 out of 5 requirements
Which requirements?Because of the sun glasses working it meets two of the 5 requirements. 3 if it has ever been referred to as light which it probably has been so it meets 3 out of 5 requirements
If Tien didn’t lose sight of Goku then why did he think his technique worked and dash forward expecting to hit Goku?But Tien would have still realize that Goku had moved from that spot, even if he couldn't follow him he would have see him disappeared from his view.
And in the course of the fight neither Tien or Goku could trully speedblitz the other, at most they outspeed each other in certain moments but that's it.
Because he has already fire his Solar Flare and he probably couldn't see him wearing the sunglasses due of the intense light he himself generated.If Tien didn’t lose sight of Goku then why did he think his technique worked and dash forward expecting to hit Goku?
And yet even before that Tien could follow and react to Goku while moving at superspeed.Also, Goku moved FTE to Tien when performing the afterimage technique a couple pages beforehand.
These threeWhich requirements?
Has this been ever directly been stated to be the caseOh don't worry guys, the solar flare is light, but it doesn't move at light speed. The feat is also valid, but the light not moving at light speed invalidates it.
Read above I exained why.Has this been ever directly been stated to be the case
The guidebook was referring to the intensity/luminosity of the light which was depend by the users's Ki, not its speed.Read above I exained why.
Herms said:Taiyou-Ken [Fist of the Sun]
First Appearance: Chapter 124
Category: ki manipulation
People: Tenshinhan, Krillin, Son Goku, Cell
Special Characteristics: A Tsuru-sen School technique. Tenshinhan first used it during his fight with Goku at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai [he actually first uses it against Jacky Chun]. Gathering ki in his upper body, he converts it to light energy and radiates it out in front of his face. Blinding the opponent’s eyes, this is used when retreating from battle. The amount of light is connected to the strength of the person’s ki, and the light source will become stronger the more ki the user has. The first person from outside the Tsuru-sen School to use this technique was Goku. (Daizenshuu 4, p.113)
And also it's speed scales to the users ki as well. This is shown when goku and beerus' light moved across the macrocosm in afew seconds.The guidebook was referring to the intensity/luminosity of the light which was depend by the users's Ki, not its speed.
Maybe the light of their Ki Attacks sure, but the Solar Flare isn't a standard energy attacks, you can't make a full 1:1 comparation.And also it's speed scales to the users ki as well. This is shown when goku and beerus' light moved across the macrocosm in afew seconds.
Herms translation say that the user's Ki get converted to light, not that the light generated its actually Ki.It doesn't come from a realistic source of light, the Herms translation says it's Ki and they form it infront of their face
Scan?the Herms translation says it's Ki and they form it infront of their face
Scan?
This is what he say.Herms said:Taiyou-Ken [Fist of the Sun]
First Appearance: Chapter 124
Category: ki manipulation
People: Tenshinhan, Krillin, Son Goku, Cell
Special Characteristics: A Tsuru-sen School technique. Tenshinhan first used it during his fight with Goku at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai [he actually first uses it against Jacky Chun]. Gathering ki in his upper body, he converts it to light energy and radiates it out in front of his face. Blinding the opponent’s eyes, this is used when retreating from battle. The amount of light is connected to the strength of the person’s ki, and the light source will become stronger the more ki the user has. The first person from outside the Tsuru-sen School to use this technique was Goku. (Daizenshuu 4, p.113)