Frieren vs Aqua (Konosuba)

[Flashlight237]

Worth a shot, I mean... Frieren is a mage who is a millennia old because of this DnD thing where people randomly threw triple-digit numbers at people with pointy ears and called it a day. Seems simple, right? Well, Aqua is a goddess. Granted Aqua is a goddess who spends her skill points on party favors, but still. Either way, despite their age and experience, Frieren and Aqua both have some serious issues to work out. Frieren is often either sleeping or getting eaten by a mimic over some weird 99% chance. Aqua is often known as the "Useless Goddess" due to her tendency to whine or get drunk and sometimes even flat-out stupidity. Sure, Aqua has buffs, but since Aqua's luck is so terrible that it serves as a direct counter to Kazuma's Second-to-God luck, it's pretty unlikely that she'll get one off.

Aqua has sealing, which iirc can be done with a thought... Problem is even the standard Zoltraak had overcome standard-grade sealing and power-null. What can do Frieren in is the fact that she's a complete glass cannon, or at least that's what the profile says because nobody tried gauging any durability feats for the verse. Frieren gets nommed on by Mimics; even giving a Mimic a bite-force quotient of 50 would be a massive upgrade to that stat.

As for Aqua... Well, one hit and Aqua is boned, but Aqua also has that against Frieren, so... Yeah.

This match-up will be between Frieren and Archpriest Aqua (as I'm pretty sure Goddess Aqua would just stomp). As for speed... I'll leave that unequalized for now as VBW speed equalization logic can be a bit finicky. That's not mentioning the default range would give both contestants plenty of time to dodge each other's crap. Let's give each of our combatants one day of prep. That should be enough for them to figure out how to handle one another.

Anyway, here are their profiles:

Frieren's Profile
Aqua's Profile

Who takes this?

Frieren: 0
Useless Goddess: 0
Inconclusive: 0

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Doesn't aqua get unfathomably outskilled here?

 

[Flashlight237]

Doesn't aqua get unfathomably outskilled here?

Not really, she is apparently Eris' senpai (even if she doesn't act like it pretty much all the time).: https://konosuba.fandom.com/wiki/Eris

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Not really, she is apparently Eris' senpai (even if she doesn't act like it pretty much all the time).: https://konosuba.fandom.com/wiki/Eris

Being someone's boss doesn't help much as a intelligence feat lol. Aqua's own page refers to how she lacks basic analytic skills and self awareness to use any knowledge she has effectively.

 

[AThe1412]

Frieren is only a glass cannon if you ignore the durability amp from Mana and Defensive Magic. Also, she gets nommed by Mimics frequently but she never took any damage from them hence why she even willingly takes the 1% chance to get a grimoire. Aqua, no matter whether she's in her Archpriest or Goddess key, can't do anything to Frieren. She's too weak and incompetent for that.

 

[Flashlight237]

Frieren is only a glass cannon if you ignore the durability amp from Mana and Defensive Magic. Also, she gets nommed by Mimics frequently but she never took any damage from them hence why she even willingly takes the 1% chance to get a grimoire. Aqua, no matter whether she's in her Archpriest or Goddess key, can't do anything to Frieren. She's too weak and incompetent for that.

Funny you mention Mimics... I just did a calc on those damn things.

 

[FrenzyUND]

Worth a shot, I mean... Frieren is a mage who is a millennia old because of this DnD thing where people randomly threw triple-digit numbers at people with pointy ears and called it a day. Seems simple, right? Well, Aqua is a goddess. Granted Aqua is a goddess who spends her skill points on party favors, but still. Either way, despite their age and experience, Frieren and Aqua both have some serious issues to work out. Frieren is often either sleeping or getting eaten by a mimic over some weird 99% chance. Aqua is often known as the "Useless Goddess" due to her tendency to whine or get drunk and sometimes even flat-out stupidity. Sure, Aqua has buffs, but since Aqua's luck is so terrible that it serves as a direct counter to Kazuma's Second-to-God luck, it's pretty unlikely that she'll get one off.

Aqua has sealing, which iirc can be done with a thought... Problem is even the standard Zoltraak had overcome standard-grade sealing and power-null. What can do Frieren in is the fact that she's a complete glass cannon, or at least that's what the profile says because nobody tried gauging any durability feats for the verse. Frieren gets nommed on by Mimics; even giving a Mimic a bite-force quotient of 50 would be a massive upgrade to that stat.

As for Aqua... Well, one hit and Aqua is boned, but Aqua also has that against Frieren, so... Yeah.

This match-up will be between Frieren and Archpriest Aqua (as I'm pretty sure Goddess Aqua would just stomp). As for speed... I'll leave that unequalized for now as VBW speed equalization logic can be a bit finicky. That's not mentioning the default range would give both contestants plenty of time to dodge each other's crap. Let's give each of our combatants one day of prep. That should be enough for them to figure out how to handle one another.

Anyway, here are their profiles:

Frieren's Profile
Aqua's Profile

Who takes this?

Frieren: 0
Useless Goddess: 0
Inconclusive: 0

Luck is not important in battle, Konosuba-wise, unless you're using luck-based skills. And Aqua with buffs tied Kazuma in rock-paper-scissors as per Yorimichi 3.

Frieren is not a glass cannon, she took some big hits from Solitär and survived just fine.

Aqua is a tank though, Frieren can't hurt her, no attack in Konosuba can injury her while she wears her Divine Relic according to the author himself, and nothing in Frieren compares to the firepower that exists in Konosuba.

Frieren characters are below supersonic in speed to the point they are hopeless trying to catch a supersonic bird without tricking it. But to not make this super boring and assume a speed equalized fight, Frieren doesn't really have a winning condition, unless she could somehow figure out Aqua's Hagoromo grants her her immunity to damage, and somehow gets it off Aqua... even then, Aqua's base defensive stats + buffas and healing is probably too much for Frieren to overcome.

Frieren can fly, but Sacred Break Spell nullifies flight magic (shown on V11), so Aqua could either get close and beat Frieren up physically, or drawn her with Sacred Create Water.

Still, Frieren might be hard to put down physically due to her high mana and shields which are pretty strong, but hey, again, I forgot, Sacred Break Spell lol, it'd break through Frieren's shield like glass, since it can even break through the barrier around the Demon King's castle, something able to eat dozens of nuke level Explosion spells.

 

[FrenzyUND]

Being someone's boss doesn't help much as a intelligence feat lol. Aqua's own page refers to how she lacks basic analytic skills and self awareness to use any knowledge she has effectively.

Which is a false statement, Konosuba profiles have more wrong information than otherwise.

Aqua's quick and smart thinking in battle, using her knowleadge and powers to nullify the enemy's flight ability ( which she'd do against Frieren ):

- V11 Chapter 05.

Aqua makes a deep analysis of how a fight between her and Kazuma would play out, stating how she'd counter every single thing he has and beat him up:

- V9 Chapter 02.

And when they fight, it plays out exactly how Aqua predicted to a point Kazuma says she could be the Goddess of Bar Fights:

Not to say Aqua has the upper hand against the likes of Wiz and even Vanir who'd solo the Frieren cast with low difficulty.

 

[Flashlight237]

Luck is not important in battle, Konosuba-wise, unless you're using luck-based skills. And Aqua with buffs tied Kazuma in rock-paper-scissors as per Yorimichi 3.

Frieren is not a glass cannon, she took some big hits from Solitär and survived just fine.

Aqua is a tank though, Frieren can't hurt her, no attack in Konosuba can injury her while she wears her Divine Relic according to the author himself, and nothing in Frieren compares to the firepower that exists in Konosuba.

Frieren characters are below supersonic in speed to the point they are hopeless trying to catch a supersonic bird without tricking it. But to not make this super boring and assume a speed equalized fight, Frieren doesn't really have a winning condition, unless she could somehow figure out Aqua's Hagoromo grants her her immunity to damage, and somehow gets it off Aqua... even then, Aqua's base defensive stats + buffas and healing is probably too much for Frieren to overcome.

Frieren can fly, but Sacred Break Spell nullifies flight magic (shown on V11), so Aqua could either get close and beat Frieren up physically, or drawn her with Sacred Create Water.

Still, Frieren might be hard to put down physically due to her high mana and shields which are pretty strong, but hey, again, I forgot, Sacred Break Spell lol, it'd break through Frieren's shield like glass, since it can even break through the barrier around the Demon King's castle, something able to eat dozens of nuke level Explosion spells.

Wow. Good argument.

@Fallen_Angelicx @AThe1412 Any objections?

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Which is a false statement, Konosuba profiles have more wrong information than otherwise.

Aqua's quick and smart thinking in battle, using her knowleadge and powers to nullify the enemy's flight ability ( which she'd do against Frieren ):

- V11 Chapter 05.

I'd like to point out, this is literally one line away from the Manicore crashing into Kazuma because while it lost it's ability to fly, it still charged into him due to gravity (Kazuma wasn't hurt much from it due to having buffed defenses, but still not that smart of a move)

Aqua makes a deep analysis of how a fight between her and Kazuma would play out, stating how she'd counter every single thing he has and beat him up:

- V9 Chapter 02.

That is literally just Aqua and Kazuma one uping each other, it's not much of a deep analysis when it's just saying "Your basic spell wouldn't work and I can buff myself". Hell Kazuma literally points out how she had a spell that can remove binds and she just didn't cast it before. One of the next parts to this has the group going to fight Goblins, Aqua trips on icey terrain and falls on her face, and the goblins got away (Granted, it was Megumin's fault for that, but this doesn't yell smart)

And when they fight, it plays out exactly how Aqua predicted to a point Kazuma says she could be the Goddess of Bar Fights:

Not to say Aqua has the upper hand against the likes of Wiz and even Vanir who'd solo the Frieren cast with low difficulty.

Which, again, is just Aqua stat stomping to win a fight. That's not much in the way of an intelligence win and with that level of strategy she just gets blasted. She's not idiotic to the point of being completely below average, but she's certainly not smart enough to outmaneuver Frieren especially when she has the stat advantage.