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[FOX's X-Men] Deadpool Downgrade + Extras

RoTt35

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Adamantium Users (Pre-Retcon)
Mystique is stated to have a regeneration to cope with injuries as instantly and comprehensively as Wolverine’s healing factor. But when she was pierced by Wolverine's Adamantium claws it took about ten minutes for her to start regenerate (as it's stated that he stabbed her rib cage and heart) and later cicatrize the wound instead of a few seconds, which is the level of Wolverine's healing factor.

In summary, Wolverine's Adamantium claws apparently slowed down Mystique's regeneration, taking several minutes to heal a wound that normally would heal instantly in a few seconds. I don't know if that's an ability, maybe Limited Regeneration Negation since he doesn't fully nullify the regeneration but it does slow it down considerably, or maybe it's just nothing. If it qualifies as an ability then the other users of Adamantium weapons (Lady Deathstrike, Weapon XI and Silver Samurai) should also have it, as well as resistance to it since they can regenerate wounds from Adamantium weapons normally.

Mystique
Her profile should be splitted into two keys (Pre-Retcon and Post-Retcon). Her Pre-Retcon self would scale from Wolverine's stats as is the current profile, while the feats of her Post-Retcon self were only easily defeating soldiers and bodyguards, so she would just have 9-C/Peak Human stats.
Pyro
Currently he is High 8-C physically, which he should only have that tier with his Fire Manipulation and since he doesn't have any physical feats his other stats should be unknown, and his Fire Manipulation should also be Class 5 since launching cars is at that level. Plus new abilities:
Magneto (Post-Retcon)
Deadpool Downgrade
Currently he has 9-A stats even though he doesn't even have any 9-B calcs (he has a few but they are outdated and are 9-C at best). In the new movie, he withstood being punched through a pillar and launched through a wall, but for now Deadpool could scale from this 9-B calc about making a human-shaped hole in a wall as a placeholder until his feats are calculated evaluated
  • The feats have already been calculated (although they haven't been evaluated yet), with the highest being 4.88 MegaJoules, still 9-B for now
Also, his profile includes him killing his Pre-Retcon self with his gun as an AP feat, even if that was via weaponry and not a physical feat, which should be removed from the profile to avoid confusion since the scene is clearly a gag, and if it weren't it would be a big outlier since the bullet pierced through the Adamantium skull of Weapon XI, which is Low 7-B. Plus Weapon XI's regeneration is comparable if not superior to Wolverine's, who was able to regenerate from two Adamantium bullets directly into his brain, so unless Deadpool has Low 7-B bullets stronger than Adamantium that also nullify regeneration and immortality, the scene would be a gag or an outlier as I said previously.
 
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RoTt35 said:
Deadpool Downgrade
Currently he has 9-A stats even though he doesn't even have any 9-B calcs (he has a few but they are outdated and are 9-C at best). In the new movie, he withstood being punched through a pillar and launched through a wall, both of which should be calculated (I already requested for the feats to be calculated) but for now Deadpool could scale from this 9-B calc about making a human-shaped hole in a wall as a placeholder until his feats are calculated (I don't remember him having any other feat)
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Deadpool and Logan also totalled a car by falling onto it so that’s worth noting as well
RoTt35 said:
Also, his profile includes him killing his Pre-Retcon self with his gun as an AP feat, even if that was via weaponry and not a physical feat, which should be removed from the profile to avoid confusion since the scene is clearly a gag, and if it weren't it would be a big outlier since the bullet pierced through the Adamantium skull of Weapon XI, which is Low 7-B. Plus Weapon XI's regeneration is comparable if not superior to Wolverine's, who was able to regenerate from two Adamantium bullets directly into his brain, so unless Deadpool has Low 7-B bullets stronger than Adamantium that also nullify regeneration, the scene would be a gag or an outlier as I said previously.
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I’d say this should be noted as Deadpool getting “Varies, up to X Tier with weapons” rather then just ignoring it, especially since Logan gets Adamantium Blades in the new one

Also Adamantium is arguably planetary now thanks to it being what Celestials are made of so lmao
 
I think most is fine but the regeneration negation part I don't agree, her taking longer could just mean she was healing her rib cage and heart before regenerating her skin, and Wolverine healing factor is also very inconsistent sometimes takes longer others takes very little. Also it's pretty contraditory since Logan himself took the adamantium on his body and his healing factor did not slowed down significantly, he took a lot more of it than Mystique
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
her taking longer could just mean she was healing her rib cage and heart before regenerating her skin
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Nah, this is contradicted by the fact that when Wolverine (and other characters comparable to him like Lady Deathstrike and Weapon XI) are pierced they instantly heal everything at once, organs and skin.
Suigetsuhyugs said:
and Wolverine healing factor is also very inconsistent sometimes takes longer others takes very little.
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The only time (that I remember) that Wolverine's healing factor was inconsistent was when he was shot in the head in X2, where it took him about a minute to regenerate but on all other occasions he only took a few seconds to heal, and even with that there's still a considerable difference in taking a minute to heal and taking about 10 minutes to start doing so.
Suigetsuhyugs said:
Also it's pretty contraditory since Logan himself took the adamantium on his body and his healing factor did not slowed down significantly, he took a lot more of it than Mystique
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Yeah, that's why characters with infused Adamantium would have resistance to the effects of Adamantium weapons, which is consistent with the fact that it took Wolverine over 50 years to be affected by its poison.
 
Damage3245 said:
How do you know it took her ten minutes before she started to regenerate? She could've long been done regenerating by that point and was only lying there because it would provide her a route to escape by.
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She's still bloody as shown on the shirt. Her level of regeneration would've completely healed that.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
She's still bloody as shown on the shirt. Her level of regeneration would've completely healed that.
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It seems plausible to me that she'd leave bloodstains there to show that she was injured so she'd be taken out of the building quickly when the authorities arrived.
 
Damage3245 said:
How do you know it took her ten minutes before she started to regenerate?
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Because about 10 minutes pass from when she was stabbed until she is found still injured by the police, I counted them watching the movie on Disney+
Damage3245 said:
She could've long been done regenerating by that point and was only lying there because it would provide her a route to escape by.
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She could have escaped at any given moment, plus during the time she was injured all the X-Men were trapped by Magneto, who tried to contact her but she didn't respond as she was effectively knocked out (unfortunately I didn't find any video with the scene)
 
Damage3245 said:
It seems plausible to me that she'd leave bloodstains there to show that she was injured so she'd be taken out of the building quickly when the authorities arrived.
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So she left bloodstains but didn't leave the stab holes on the shirt? That sounds like a lot of assumptions.
 
Yeah, there's no reason why Mystique would fake being injured when Sabretooth and Magneto were still around, with the latter taking down all the X-Men by his own, and the police still didn't know about them since the machine with Rogue hadn't been activated yet
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
So she left bloodstains but didn't leave the stab holes on the shirt? That sounds like a lot of assumptions.
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It seems to me that it is a big assumption too that Adamantium has healing factor negation which is never brought up in the films as far as I can recall.
 
Damage3245 said:
It seems to me that it is a big assumption too that Adamantium has healing factor negation which is never brought up in the films as far as I can recall.
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And I agree with that, actually. But your counterarguments require more assumptions.

The most likely explanation is simply that Mystique actually doesn't have as good of a healing factor than wolverine, because she instead can't heal as fast and requires several minutes to heal a deep stab wound.
 
Damage3245 said:
How do you know it took her ten minutes before she started to regenerate? She could've long been done regenerating by that point and was only lying there because it would provide her a route to escape by.
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I also disagree with it but got pressured into putting it
 
So yeah, besides the adamantium nerfing regen and Mystique stuff which I disagree (her healing factor would instead be High-Low for surviving and eventually healing Wolverine's stab), I agree with everything else.
 
While the downgrade and everyone else's additions does make sense. Wasn't somebody already reworking Deadpool's profile? And I could've sworn that he scales to the Wolverine variant who has similar memories to his dead counterpart
 
Propellus said:
Wasn't somebody already reworking Deadpool's profile? And I could've sworn that he scales to the Wolverine variant
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Yeah, but as I already said, I disagree with scaling D&W Wolverine to FOX Wolverine just because of some memories (which are just like 8 scenes of one second each) since most of them contradict his story and even if they won't, it wouldn't mean that he is exactly the same, along with the same stats and abilities, as his FOX counterpart. But anyways, that's something I'll address if a D&W CRT is ever created
 
So, Deadpool's most notable feats have already been calculated (although they haven't been evaluated yet), with the highest being 4.88 MegaJoules, still 9-B for now

Btw, would this also grant Plasma Manipulation to Pyro? I missed that
 
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As a note, the Deadpool & Wolverine artbook doesn't really seem to give much information that would impact scaling from what I can tell. It seems like Blade, Elektra, and the Human Torch are intended to be the same versions that previously appeared on film, and Cassandra's army is said to include both returning characters and multiversal variants thereof. Pyro and Sabretooth seem to be meant to be the same versions from the X-Men films, while Toad, Lady Deathstrike, Psylocke, Callisto, Quill, Juggernaut, Bullseye, and the Russian are described as variants of their movie counterparts (Blob and Azazel don't appear to be given any clarification)
 
The Sabertooth thing is kinda questionable since iirc the actor claims it’s a different one to the one from X-Men
 
RoTt35 said:
I think it would be both, since he composes normal fire into plasma and superheats it
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Is there another scan? Cause this one says that his fireballs are made of superheated plasma, not that he's turning fire into plasma, or heating up plasma. Plasma is already really hot.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Is there another scan? Cause this one says that his fireballs are made of superheated plasma, not that he's turning fire into plasma, or heating up plasma.
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It's stated that Pyro can only manipulate existing fire, so unless his flamethrowers are already superheated plasma he would have to compose normal fire into it
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Plasma is already really hot.
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According to these articles, plasma temperature can vary from room temperature to several thousands degrees
 
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