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Four Shades Conceptual Level Abilities

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Another day, another me.

This thread will be the continuation of the last one (is it continuation? Idk.) with hopefully more simplified and better explanations. The purpose is to make the Four Shades respective concept abilities to a Conceptual level. Previously, i was asking the Four Shades respective abilities to be "Greater" and removed the "Enhanced". But another new idea came to exist, we will make it at Conceptual level which is much better. (We've already discussed it on that last crt)

Well first of all, let's just do a short introduction for those who don't know (esp the mods) about the "Four Shades" so they can know the context of what we will talking about.

In Genshin Impact, we have the Four Shades. The Four Shades are four gods who serve directly as envoys or emissaries under the Heavenly Principles (their creator), These four gods are actually 4 Universal Concepts itself; Space, Time, Life and Death.


The Four Shades are the concepts itself, just like how the Ruler of Time Istaroth is literally "Time" itself and the Dragons lived even before the Concept of Time is created, which mean before Istaroth is created. After all, the Dragons lived before four of these concepts were created.

These are more proofs that support Istaroth being literal "Time" itself
O pure and eternal Mother of Time, sovereign who was never born and who shall never die,
You create all and destroy all. You remember all and allow them to be forgotten.
You who in the moment of your birth, also gave birth to yourself, O supreme mother,
You are the one stillness within the endless flow, the one outsider in the sacred courtyard of the gods.
May you protect the four imprisoned moons.
You are the one outsider in the sacred courtyard of the gods, the one stillness within the endless flow.
O supreme mother, who in the moment of your own birth also gave birth to yourself,
You remember all and allow them to be forgotten. You create all and destroy all.
O sovereign who shall never die and who was never born, pure and eternal Mother of Time!
Though there is no meaning in this world within an eggshell,
The "fortune" we speak of is not some false metaphor,
In 14 billion "years" of darkness,
It is the sum of all that is destined to happen and all that never will.

Partings, encounters, and partings once more,
Birth, destruction, and birth yet again,
In the darkness of 93 billion "years" of light,
All existence holds meaning unknown to any,
Without which this universe would seem too solitary.

This is the "fortune" that divination cards speak of,
Or that which cannot be spoken.
The "Wheel of Fortune" turns ever onwards,
But there are things which are never forgotten,
Things that can never be destroyed.
At least, I am willing to believe so.
Just as you believe in reunion with her.
Question 6: A father has twelve children, each then giving birth to sixty daughters of different appearances. Of them, thirty are pale and thirty are dark. The whole family, knowing not death, will only fade away. Who is the father?
Answer: The answer is the year. The people of Byakuyakoku may find the part about sixty pale or dark granddaughters a bit confusing. But everything will start to make sense once they crack Question 4.
There used to be a sequel to this riddle in ancient times. It roughly said that every granddaughter would give birth to twelve descendants, and each of them would then have sixty children. Every such child later would give birth to another sixty, who would go on to have children of their own. This would continue until at last, all the offspring would together give birth to the one and only primordial child — Tokoyo Ookami, the "mother" of fourteen billion years.
Watatsumi Omikami forbade people from spreading this riddle.

The Four Shades, They have absolute control and authority over their own concepts, because of course they embody the concepts of their respective powers. The Authorities of the Four Shades are part the Universal Law that governs everything created by the Heavenly Principles, their power are also a fundamental laws and rules in and of itself and they are tasked by the Heavenly Principles with governing over the metaphysical laws of Teyvat. Shade like the Ruler of Death Ronova can even kill a pocket dimension/space created by the Ruler of Space Asmoday, which proving that Ronova's Death Manipulation can bypassed immunity, and their power has reached a higher level of reality than the humans' reality itself.

So with all that, the Four Shades power should be on a Conceptual level as they have absolute control and embody the concept of their respective powers, and has shown how strong they are over their own powers that makes them so.

More or less, it'll be like this in their profiles:
Passive Time Manipulation [Conceptual] (The Ruler of Time Istaroth has absolute authority over the concept of Time, as she is a shade that representing and embodying the Concept of "Time" itself and encompassing the entire temporal dimension. She can passively reverses time around just by her mere presence, and she can also stop the Time to allowed Aether and Lumine to meet.The Authorities of the Four Shades is described as being part of the fundamental rules, their power has reached a higher level of reality than the humans' reality and with their abilities tied to the Universal Law established by the Heavenly Principles that governs all.)

Passive Death Manipulation [Conceptual] (The Ruler of Death Ronova has absolute authority over the concept of "Death", as she is a shade that representing and embodying the concept of " Death" itself. She can killed a living beings just by her mere presence and touch, and she can even kill a space. The Authorities of the Four Shades are said to be the fundamental laws and rule in and of itself, and they cannot be defied. Their power has reached a higher level of reality than the humans' reality, and it is also part of the Universal Law created by the Heavenly Principles that governs all.)

Life Manipulation [Conceptual] (The Ruler of Life Naberius has absolute authority over the concept of Life, as she is a shade that representing and embodying the concept of "Life" itself. Alongside the Heavenly Principles, she once created all life in Teyvat. Naberius is the God of Life who now replaces the original God of Life, the Hydro Dragon Sovereign. The Authorities of the Four Shades is described as being part of the fundamental rules and laws, their power has reached a higher level of reality than the humans' reality, and it is also part of the Universal Law established by the Heavenly Principles that governs all.)

Spatial Manipulation [Conceptual] (The Ruler of Space Asmoday has absolute authority over the concept of Space itself, as she is a shade that representing and embodying the concept of "Space" itself. The Authorities of the Four Shades is described as being part of the fundamental rules and laws, their power has reached a higher level of reality than the humans' reality, and it is also part of the Universal Law established by the Heavenly Principles that governs all.)

Or if theres any one of you who have better idea what it should be look like, you can drop that in the comment. Thank you.

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Why don't add some notes from byakuyoku collection, wheel of fortune and hymns of the far north which literally confirmed istaroth being literal time itself, and confirming her age being 14 billions years old, the same old as time and the universe itself
 
Why don't add some notes from byakuyoku collection, wheel of fortune and hymns of the far north which literally confirmed istaroth being literal time itself, and confirming her age being 14 billions years old, the same old as time and the universe itself
this part in the OP already confirming that she's Time itself.
The Four Shades are the concepts itself, just like how the Ruler of Time Istaroth is literally "Time" itself and the Dragons lived even before the Concept of Time is created, which mean before Istaroth is created. After all, the Dragons lived before four of these concepts were created.
no need that much unless somebody is doubting and wants more.

Now that you mentioned it, i might as well change her age to 14 Billions years old.
 
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this part in the OP already confirming that she's Time itself.

no need that much unless somebody is doubting and wants more.

Now that you mentioned it, i might as well change her age to 14 Billions years old.
It's for more supporting, cause imo the hymn of the far norths are the most straight up confirming istaroth being literal time, backup by byakuyoku collection that said if istaroth is mother of fourteen billions years
O pure and eternal Mother of Time, sovereign who was never born and who shall never die,
You create all and destroy all. You remember all and allow them to be forgotten.
You who in the moment of your birth, also gave birth to yourself, O supreme mother,
You are the one stillness within the endless flow, the one outsider in the sacred courtyard of the gods.
May you protect the four imprisoned moons.
You are the one outsider in the sacred courtyard of the gods, the one stillness within the endless flow.
O supreme mother, who in the moment of your own birth also gave birth to yourself,
You remember all and allow them to be forgotten. You create all and destroy all.
O sovereign who shall never die and who was never born, pure and eternal Mother of Time!
 
Looks fine though i disagree with Passive Death hax, the visual didn't implying passive at all, in fact a red beam is required, the only thing you could argue is physical touch her will get death hax'ed
 
Looks fine though i disagree with Passive Death hax, the visual didn't implying passive at all, in fact a red beam is required, the only thing you could argue is physical touch her will get death hax'ed
Physical touch with her will automatically make someone die, just like the moment she touched the bird.

Now, she don't required her red beam to kill that granny, in fact, that granny already got affected even before she arrived. And then when she arrived, she just straight up dead.

That red beam is Her btw, which is energy projection.
 
That granny was directed affected by the red beam that hit the tree and spread to the surrounding
 
Listing as passive isn't needed then. Her being touched isn't passive and the action isn't passive.
 
the visual didn't implying passive at all, in fact a red beam is required, the only thing you could argue is physical touch her will get death hax'ed
i think, it is a passive hax, because just by their presence the creatures inside are immediately destroyed, and the red cloud is just a sign that death has descended upon the world, this is also shown in natlan when mavuika meets the manifestation of ronova, So human death in that world is not caused by the red cloud, but because of the presence of death in that world. Istaroth's presence even immediately turned back time, without him having to do anything. So in my opinion, this can be classified as passive hax because they do this just by their presence in the world.
 
Yeah so.. THAT red beam is Her, her energy projection, not a literal beam, she just descended there and those ppl are dead.
I pretty much said it is her energy beam?, you just confirmed my point
The birds didn't die either until her heels touch one of them

i think, it is a passive hax, because just by their presence the creatures inside are immediately destroyed, and the red cloud is just a sign that death has descended upon the world, this is also shown in natlan when mavuika meets the manifestation of ronova, So human death in that world is not caused by the red cloud, but because of the presence of death in that world. Istaroth's presence even immediately turned back time, without him having to do anything. So in my opinion, this can be classified as passive hax because they do this just by their presence in the world.
Literally still the same video, and the second video, like, sorry but can you point me to where it is passive death hax?, cause i need to watch 20 mins video which i seriously do not have time

One of four Shades have passive doesn't mean Ronova should have passive, by that logic, why not argue four of them all have passive hax?

Also i could literally argue Istaroth isn't passive, he could pretty much active a continuous time rewind off-screen and sit there. Just because a character doesn't do anything mean it is always passive hax, there are hax that can be active without gesture
 
I pretty much said it is her energy beam?, you just confirmed my point
The birds didn't die either until her heels touch one of them
Cherry picking, she can pick whoever she wants to kill and who's not.
Her death manip isn't always active.
Also i could literally argue Istaroth isn't passive, she could pretty much active a continuous time rewind off-screen and sit there. Just because a character doesn't do anything mean it is always passive hax, there are hax that can be active without gesture
Thats just literally passive just by looking at it, and theres no proof of her activating time rewinding off-screen and sit there, so the assumption is baseless. She's not just an ordinary time manipulator but she's Time itself, what we looking at is literally the concept of time walking, talking and doing something.

Anyway, this thread isn't supposed to removed how their ability works like passive or not.
 
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I pretty much said it is her energy beam?, you just confirmed my point
The birds didn't die either until her heels touch one of them


Literally still the same video, and the second video, like, sorry but can you point me to where it is passive death hax?, cause i need to watch 20 mins video which i seriously do not have time

One of four Shades have passive doesn't mean Ronova should have passive, by that logic, why not argue four of them all have passive hax?

Also i could literally argue Istaroth isn't passive, he could pretty much active a continuous time rewind off-screen and sit there. Just because a character doesn't do anything mean it is always passive hax, there are hax that can be active without gesture
I mean, the beam wasn't literally a laser shooting, but it was a cinematic to show that the ronova had descended upon the world, so humans didn't die from the beam but from not being able to withstand the existence of death. even though it's not passive maybe it could be thought based ?, because he did it without any gesture, like she intended to kill the space and the space really disappeared
 
I mean, the beam wasn't literally a laser shooting, but it was a cinematic to show that the ronova had descended upon the world, so humans didn't die from the beam but from not being able to withstand the existence of death. even though it's not passive maybe it could be thought based ?, because he did it without any gesture, like she intended to kill the space and the space really disappeared
I mean, they are dead due to being in close contact with the "beam" so...

The only passive i could see is physical interaction with Ronova, touch her then you are dead

I don't think ir is thought-based or something else, the cinematic didn't show what she did before that beam shot down from the sky so we can't guess either

So yeah, unless something new show up, i still retaining my original evaluation
 
I mean, they are dead due to being in close contact with the "beam" so...

The only passive i could see is physical interaction with Ronova, touch her then you are dead

I don't think ir is thought-based or something else, the cinematic didn't show what she did before that beam shot down from the sky so we can't guess either

So yeah, unless something new show up, i still retaining my original evaluation
Can you help me to summon some of the mods here
 
Tbh, ain't prayer song iv istaroth was potrait herself being "time" but also independent from it?
 
Which sentence
We know istaroth is the time itself, the "moments" Or the flow of time itself, but her also "stillness" Within endless flow of time.
"The one stillness within the endless flow"
suggests herself despite being "time" but also the "stillness" By unaffected by its own flow.
Suggests time is an unchanging framework that enables flux without being altered by it everything flows within it, but it remains static.

Istaroth at her birth also give birth to herself, but yet also stated never being born
sovereign who was never born and who shall never die
You who in the moment of your birth, also gave birth to yourself
Describe how herself being having no origin/end, asserts "timelessness" where she exists outside birth/death cycles despite the one who create and destroy everything is also herself as time.
You create all and destroy all. You remember all and allow them to be forgotten.
 
We know istaroth is the time itself, the "moments" Or the flow of time itself, but her also "stillness" Within endless flow of time.

suggests herself despite being "time" but also the "stillness" By unaffected by its own flow.
Suggests time is an unchanging framework that enables flux without being altered by it everything flows within it, but it remains static.

Istaroth at her birth also give birth to herself, but yet also stated never being born


Describe how herself being having no origin/end, asserts "timelessness" where she exists outside birth/death cycles despite the one who create and destroy everything is also herself as time.
Okay.. so, what are u trying to say if she's independent from that.
 
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