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TL;DR, Fnaf games tier bad, 9-B bad, profiles need tuning. Shoutout @Edwardtruong2006 for giving me the non skull crush justifications
Long version:
9-B justifications that aren't 9-B
Feat: Skull crushing (Everywhere)
Response: See my old thread. This is not considered a 9-B feat anymore.
Feat: Could casually overpower and kill the player. Is likely comparable to other Toy animatronics like Mangle. (FNAF 2 in general)
Response: It does not take a 9-B to overpower and kill a baseline adult man. Being compared to Mangle is weird when Mangle's justification talks about it getting weaker, but we'll get to Mangle in a later section of this thread.
Feat: Comparable to other animatronics, like Rockstar Foxy and Mr. Hippo who can pull themselves apart, tear apart and slice/cut apart humans. Can damage the human skull which is this level. (Ultimate Custom Night)
Response: UCN dudes have no listed durability feats and do not link a feat of being able to pull themselves apart, as such that feat is worthless. For obvious reasons I'm not posting any videos here, but it's pretty easy to find cartel and ISIS videos showing that you don't need to be 9-B to dismember a human. Not only is skull crushing no longer 9-B, but I don't think that mere nonspecific damage was ever 9-B. A whole lot of things will crack the skull, and you can even damage that down in tier 10 if you're going to use subsonic pistol rounds and such as your example.
Feat: Comparable to other animatronics. Survived Fazbear's Fright burning to the ground, which should mean he's this durable. (Springtrap)
Response: No, surviving a building burning down does not make you wall level, especially when you're a possessed robot. A good example to illustrate this is power lines. You can have a 700 MVA power line, which is 700 megavolt-amps. Volts times Amps equals Current, so we can also express that as 700 megawatts. One watt is 1 joule per second, so this means that you can have a power line that's capable of withstanding 700,000,000 joules of electricity per second coursing through it all the time. Impressive? Sure. Does this mean that they're just super durable against everything? Not even close. 700 million joules is about 335 pounds of TNT, and it should be pretty obvious that it doesn't take anywhere near that high a load to damage or destroy a power line. Hell, those things can even still just catch on fire when coming into contact with stuff they shouldn't, and heat's less far removed from their normal function than force is since every conductor has some measure of resistance and as such some amount of energy lost to heat. Point is, different forms of enemy transfer act very differently and can't really just be cross scaled to one another. As such, a robot made of parts that have a higher melting temp than a wood burning fire temp and that's also posessed by a ghost so it doesn't need the more fragile electronics surviving a fire does not have any bearing on how well it can withstand being run over after someone notices that it glows in the dark.
Feat: Easily dismantled/tore apart Freddy Fazbear, Bonnie, Foxy, and Chica (William Afton) Feat link here
Response: Well they're not 9-B, but even without the above, we know that Mangle gets ****** up by toddlers roughhousing hard enough to have exposed innards all over the place. Massive safety hazard, please call OSHA, but it's honestly probably more impressive than real life ones, which can be irrevocably damaged with the slightest impacts since they run off very fragile motors and electronics and as such people can't touch them. I'm well aware that the fnaf animatronics aren't normal, this is just so you can't really fall back on "oh but they're robots and made of metal" in lieu of a proper feat by demonstrating that both in universe and in real life, robots don't have to be very durable. Also the feat is pretty heavily stylized and probably shouldn't be read into as "local immortal man punches chuck e cheese, shatters him."
Feat: Significantly taller and heavier than all the other Funtime Animatronics who can kill the player character, should be superior to Mangle, Scrap Baby is able to cut a human into pieces, unlike the original animatronics the Funtimes were intentionally designed to trap and kill children. The Funtimes are significantly more technologically advanced than the original animatronics. (Baby)
Response: See above on the dismemberment, and see below on mangle. Killing kids isn't that hard either.
Feat: Could potentially be comparable to other "liability risk" animatronics, which can crush the skull to the point of almost severing the frontal lobe, break 100 unknown bones of a child, and give a child a concussion casually. (Mr. Hugs)
Response: Skull crushing 9-C, giving kids conussions isn't that hard, and "100 unknown bones of a child" can literally just be feet and hands, as each foot has 26 bones and each hand 27. Not 9-B.
9-B justifications that might be 9-B but still need to be fixed one way or the other
Feat: Is physically the strongest member of the Glamrocks, wrecked his green room, leaving large cracks behind, smashed a golf ball shooter, and can easily bust through metal gates. He is also comparable to Roxanne Wolf who can smash through damaged wooden doors despite being disfigured. (Montgomery Gator)
Response: This feat doesn't link anything, so I can't say that any of it is 9-B right now. They certainly aren't feats that are necessarily of such a tier, but they could be. Evidence needs to be linked, calcs need to be done.
Feat: Comparable to other Glamrock animatronics, survived being crushed by a trash compactor though was still badly damaged by it. (Glamrock Chica)
Response: Needs specifics of the scene and a calc, but also does run into the problem that compressive strength isn't always applicable to a sudden impact. I'll turn to the example of glass for this one. It is very hard to crush glass with sustained, even pressure. It does very well under such conditions. Very easy to shatter it though. It's not exactly uniform durability but at least this one's actually physical and can be used as support.
Feat: Due to sheer size, he should be vastly superior to the rest of the Glamrock animatronics, such as Roxanne Wolf, who can easily smash through damaged wooden doors despite being disfigured, and Montgomery Gator, who can bust through metal gates. (DJ Music Man)
Response: Given a gif I got sent it probably works, but that visual needs to be linked. The other stuff's already elaborated on above.
Things that just need changing somehow
Feat: Not only can they utilize their hard claws and teeth, their body's size is bigger than that of a human. (Nightmare Animatronics)
Response: This is here and not above because these guys are listed as 9-C, but this isn't really a justification for that on its own. Having teeth and claws isn't a joule output, being "bigger than a human" is a rather variable size and would still depend on other factors to get a joule output.
Feat: Composed of a hard metal. (Nightmare Animatronics)
Response: Hardness does not equal durability, as can be seen by comparing obsidian to a penny. Obsidian's listed as a 5.5 on the Mohs hardness scale, while a penny is 3.5. However, obsidian is infamously brittle and fragile, essentially being volcanic glass. It's very easy to shatter, very easy to fracture, very easy to snap, etc. Pennies are not very easy to do any of those things to. Hardness is just resistance to localized plastic deformation specifically, which basically just means small scale warping i.e. being cut. It doesn't say anything about other factors of durability. Being made of a hard metal is not a durability feat.
Feat: Comparable to other Glamrock animatronics, survived a long fall onto a crossbeam with enough force to break him in half. (Montgomery Gator)
Response: If it broke him in half, it's not a durability feat. That's not how that works.
Feat: Despite the fact that it should be strong enough to compare to other animatronics, it should still be weaker due to its thin frame and exposed endoskeleton. (Mangle)
Response: This one is just kinda gross. You can't have a profile that says "It should be as strong as guy X, but also nah" but the logic here doesn't even really work. If we're speaking mechanically, the endoskeleton is where you're going to mount the motors of the robot that allow it to move and as such give it the strength it has. It's not a creature of flesh and blood, it does not have robot muscles, everything else is extraneous and if anything makes it slightly weaker by virtue of adding more weight. If we're talking about "ooooo spooky ghost robot," then things get even weirder as now there's no logic that allows it to move which transfers over to reality and as such it being weaker via not having cosmetic parts is even more random.
TL;DR, Fnaf games tier bad, 9-B bad, profiles need tuning. Shoutout @Edwardtruong2006 for giving me the non skull crush justifications
Long version:
9-B justifications that aren't 9-B
Feat: Skull crushing (Everywhere)
Response: See my old thread. This is not considered a 9-B feat anymore.
Feat: Could casually overpower and kill the player. Is likely comparable to other Toy animatronics like Mangle. (FNAF 2 in general)
Response: It does not take a 9-B to overpower and kill a baseline adult man. Being compared to Mangle is weird when Mangle's justification talks about it getting weaker, but we'll get to Mangle in a later section of this thread.
Feat: Comparable to other animatronics, like Rockstar Foxy and Mr. Hippo who can pull themselves apart, tear apart and slice/cut apart humans. Can damage the human skull which is this level. (Ultimate Custom Night)
Response: UCN dudes have no listed durability feats and do not link a feat of being able to pull themselves apart, as such that feat is worthless. For obvious reasons I'm not posting any videos here, but it's pretty easy to find cartel and ISIS videos showing that you don't need to be 9-B to dismember a human. Not only is skull crushing no longer 9-B, but I don't think that mere nonspecific damage was ever 9-B. A whole lot of things will crack the skull, and you can even damage that down in tier 10 if you're going to use subsonic pistol rounds and such as your example.
Feat: Comparable to other animatronics. Survived Fazbear's Fright burning to the ground, which should mean he's this durable. (Springtrap)
Response: No, surviving a building burning down does not make you wall level, especially when you're a possessed robot. A good example to illustrate this is power lines. You can have a 700 MVA power line, which is 700 megavolt-amps. Volts times Amps equals Current, so we can also express that as 700 megawatts. One watt is 1 joule per second, so this means that you can have a power line that's capable of withstanding 700,000,000 joules of electricity per second coursing through it all the time. Impressive? Sure. Does this mean that they're just super durable against everything? Not even close. 700 million joules is about 335 pounds of TNT, and it should be pretty obvious that it doesn't take anywhere near that high a load to damage or destroy a power line. Hell, those things can even still just catch on fire when coming into contact with stuff they shouldn't, and heat's less far removed from their normal function than force is since every conductor has some measure of resistance and as such some amount of energy lost to heat. Point is, different forms of enemy transfer act very differently and can't really just be cross scaled to one another. As such, a robot made of parts that have a higher melting temp than a wood burning fire temp and that's also posessed by a ghost so it doesn't need the more fragile electronics surviving a fire does not have any bearing on how well it can withstand being run over after someone notices that it glows in the dark.
Feat: Easily dismantled/tore apart Freddy Fazbear, Bonnie, Foxy, and Chica (William Afton) Feat link here
Response: Well they're not 9-B, but even without the above, we know that Mangle gets ****** up by toddlers roughhousing hard enough to have exposed innards all over the place. Massive safety hazard, please call OSHA, but it's honestly probably more impressive than real life ones, which can be irrevocably damaged with the slightest impacts since they run off very fragile motors and electronics and as such people can't touch them. I'm well aware that the fnaf animatronics aren't normal, this is just so you can't really fall back on "oh but they're robots and made of metal" in lieu of a proper feat by demonstrating that both in universe and in real life, robots don't have to be very durable. Also the feat is pretty heavily stylized and probably shouldn't be read into as "local immortal man punches chuck e cheese, shatters him."
Feat: Significantly taller and heavier than all the other Funtime Animatronics who can kill the player character, should be superior to Mangle, Scrap Baby is able to cut a human into pieces, unlike the original animatronics the Funtimes were intentionally designed to trap and kill children. The Funtimes are significantly more technologically advanced than the original animatronics. (Baby)
Response: See above on the dismemberment, and see below on mangle. Killing kids isn't that hard either.
Feat: Could potentially be comparable to other "liability risk" animatronics, which can crush the skull to the point of almost severing the frontal lobe, break 100 unknown bones of a child, and give a child a concussion casually. (Mr. Hugs)
Response: Skull crushing 9-C, giving kids conussions isn't that hard, and "100 unknown bones of a child" can literally just be feet and hands, as each foot has 26 bones and each hand 27. Not 9-B.
9-B justifications that might be 9-B but still need to be fixed one way or the other
Feat: Is physically the strongest member of the Glamrocks, wrecked his green room, leaving large cracks behind, smashed a golf ball shooter, and can easily bust through metal gates. He is also comparable to Roxanne Wolf who can smash through damaged wooden doors despite being disfigured. (Montgomery Gator)
Response: This feat doesn't link anything, so I can't say that any of it is 9-B right now. They certainly aren't feats that are necessarily of such a tier, but they could be. Evidence needs to be linked, calcs need to be done.
Feat: Comparable to other Glamrock animatronics, survived being crushed by a trash compactor though was still badly damaged by it. (Glamrock Chica)
Response: Needs specifics of the scene and a calc, but also does run into the problem that compressive strength isn't always applicable to a sudden impact. I'll turn to the example of glass for this one. It is very hard to crush glass with sustained, even pressure. It does very well under such conditions. Very easy to shatter it though. It's not exactly uniform durability but at least this one's actually physical and can be used as support.
Feat: Due to sheer size, he should be vastly superior to the rest of the Glamrock animatronics, such as Roxanne Wolf, who can easily smash through damaged wooden doors despite being disfigured, and Montgomery Gator, who can bust through metal gates. (DJ Music Man)
Response: Given a gif I got sent it probably works, but that visual needs to be linked. The other stuff's already elaborated on above.
Things that just need changing somehow
Feat: Not only can they utilize their hard claws and teeth, their body's size is bigger than that of a human. (Nightmare Animatronics)
Response: This is here and not above because these guys are listed as 9-C, but this isn't really a justification for that on its own. Having teeth and claws isn't a joule output, being "bigger than a human" is a rather variable size and would still depend on other factors to get a joule output.
Feat: Composed of a hard metal. (Nightmare Animatronics)
Response: Hardness does not equal durability, as can be seen by comparing obsidian to a penny. Obsidian's listed as a 5.5 on the Mohs hardness scale, while a penny is 3.5. However, obsidian is infamously brittle and fragile, essentially being volcanic glass. It's very easy to shatter, very easy to fracture, very easy to snap, etc. Pennies are not very easy to do any of those things to. Hardness is just resistance to localized plastic deformation specifically, which basically just means small scale warping i.e. being cut. It doesn't say anything about other factors of durability. Being made of a hard metal is not a durability feat.
Feat: Comparable to other Glamrock animatronics, survived a long fall onto a crossbeam with enough force to break him in half. (Montgomery Gator)
Response: If it broke him in half, it's not a durability feat. That's not how that works.
Feat: Despite the fact that it should be strong enough to compare to other animatronics, it should still be weaker due to its thin frame and exposed endoskeleton. (Mangle)
Response: This one is just kinda gross. You can't have a profile that says "It should be as strong as guy X, but also nah" but the logic here doesn't even really work. If we're speaking mechanically, the endoskeleton is where you're going to mount the motors of the robot that allow it to move and as such give it the strength it has. It's not a creature of flesh and blood, it does not have robot muscles, everything else is extraneous and if anything makes it slightly weaker by virtue of adding more weight. If we're talking about "ooooo spooky ghost robot," then things get even weirder as now there's no logic that allows it to move which transfers over to reality and as such it being weaker via not having cosmetic parts is even more random.
