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After talking with some friends I finally decided to do a actual debunk (or at least force a better explanation with scans on the page)
Each Proposal will have a separate list of votes.
I will target abilities I find questionable , whetever it is due to the explanation or the scans. (This was the plan until, I couldn't find the original source for most abilities)
Proposal 1
Like always let's start with the regeneration. For Galactic Gladiator, and in turn Alien X
Let's start what we see happened, then discuss possible interpretations of what happened.
First we see a lot of Alien X, starting to circle around Galactic Gladiator, and forming some sorta portal/wormhole that sucks Galactic Gladiator into it. When the ""wormhole"" appears, we see a green light and a white light appear. The white light seems to be sending it away, while the green light appear to drag him inwards. only for a white light to appear, for us to see a cut only to have Alien x reappear holding Galatic Gladiator. Where Galatic Warrior has clearly given up.
(I have no idea if I should use the word, vortex, portal, or wormhole here...)
So conclusions we can get from this video is?
*1 he gets sucked into some sort a vortex.
*2 After a screen cut, He appears again after being teleported back to the arena with Alien X holding him.
Now let's get into what the problem with regeneration is for this ""feat"".
*Issue 1, We have no idea how much he actually get "destroyed"
*Issue 2, We have no idea if he even gets damaged....
*Issue 3, We have no idea if he even regenerate, much less by itself.
*Issue 4, Even if it was somehow regeneration, why would Alien X have it?...
Now let's get into what I think may have happened.
Possibility 1, The Vortex we see is Alien X creating a portal towards the arena, that sucks Galactic gladiator into it. It is not uncommon for portal to de-materialize and re-materialize when teleporting in fiction.
Possibility 2, The less likely of my assumptions but still possible. That is that after sucking Galactic Gladiator into the Vortex, Alien X heals or resurrect him. before teleporting back to the arena.
Possibility 3 (just a thought), It may be the area's property.
(The order of the proposals in the order I find the most likely to unlikely.)
But now let's go over why i find regeneration so unlikely.
As mentioned above, we see no real indication of him being damaged, destroyed or regenerate. Only him being sucked in, and him reappearing together with Alien X holding him. And by how Galactic Gladiator is on his knees acting, I would not think he can regenerate from that. I find it much more likely with the information we have been shown, that it was somehow Alien X works. At best if we keep it regeneration, we would need to add a "possible" before it. Since it is by no means confirmed.
Proposal 1 votes
Agree - @Ghengiroo115 (replace the feat with the hand regeneration one), @SweetDao, @LephyrTheRevanchist (here), @ActuallySpaceMan42 (here), @DarkDragonMedeus (here),
Disagree -
Neutral - @Catzlaflame (here)
Proposal 2
This one is much simpler a simple rewording.
Simple, It already says "resistance to" at the start of the tabber, and I am pretty sure the ability isn't stating that Alien X can resist people negating pain?
Proposal 2 votes
Agree - @57Dev, @TWILIGHT-OP, @Ghengiroo115, @SweetDao, @LephyrTheRevanchist (Should be moved to stamina), @DarkDragonMedeus (agrees with Lephyr), @Catzlaflame (agrees with Lephyr), @ActuallySpaceMan42 (agrees with Lephyr),
Disagree -
Neutral -
Proposal 3
This is something that I propose for this verse, as well as any other verse. All abilities and ratings should have descriptions and and scans.
Now why do i bring up this here?
Well take a look at some of the Profiles for Ben 10 or even some of the physiology pages.
let's start with CelestialSapians
And for you to believe this is a unique case where they just don't add descriptions, scans and references here are some more, Ben 10, Dagon, Ascalon,
And these are just some of the examples. Almost all profiles lacks scans And some even lack descriptions and let's not even begin to question where the references are. This makes it almost impossible to confirm if these abilities are legit or not, without searching for the CRT where they were added. Note that I am not asking if the abilities are ""correct"" but rather if they were added with permission or not due to the lack of references. And let's not even begin to talk how bad the profiles look...
So now that I have established that this is a repeated problem in this verse. Now We can question why it is? We can clearly state that is not due to lacking supporters or being a old verse that doesn't get upgrades.... We can see that it usually have multiable threads active at once. Either way, asking why it's not happening is irrelevant, what is relevant is that we actually force actions. Since it should be clear as day, that most profiles including the most active once, don't meet the standard requirements both in Quality and how they deal with descriptions, scans and references. So to simplify what I want.
To either add descriptions and scans/references to the abilities, or just remove them entirely so stuff like this doesn't happened.
If the profile itself can't even prove that the abilities are legit, how are we suppose to defend or debunk it?, Much less trust it.
Proposal 3 votes
(Agreeing means forcing description and scans and/or references if not that can't be fulfilled we just take the abilities away, until they can be.)
Agree - @TWILIGHT-OP, @Ghengiroo115, @SweetDao,
Disagree -
Neutral - @57Dev,
Note I was planning to make either a staff thread about active verses needing to be stricter with references, scans and descriptions, or a CRT about adding references, description and scans to the profiles that are still active. Now that I think about it both may actually be best. Either way that was my plans if proposal 3 gets accepted.
TLTR
Proposal 1 -Deleting a questionable regeneration
Proposal 2 - Fixing the wording of a ability
Proposal 3 - Forcing Ben 10 profiles (extra focus on the active once) to actually bring references and descriptions toward there abilities, and scans would be a plus....
General notes
- Note 1, I personally believe that being able to find the origin of where the abilities come from is much more important then the actual ability itself.
- Note 2, I am not well versed in the verse So i am only using what I have seen in the profile and let me tell you it was far from ideal.... (I tried getting into contact with some of the Alien X scalers on discord but was unsuccessful.
- Note 3, As always in my threads it will be updated as the CRT moves along.
- Note 4, Proposal 3 is the most important in this thread.
PS, I wish everyone to have a civilized discussion. All help is apricated, just try to not go in circles. I wish everyone a Great day and thank everyone that participate in this thread.
Each Proposal will have a separate list of votes.
I will target abilities I find questionable , whetever it is due to the explanation or the scans. (This was the plan until, I couldn't find the original source for most abilities)
Proposal 1
Like always let's start with the regeneration. For Galactic Gladiator, and in turn Alien X
Where do i even begin with this one?
- Regeneration (Mid-High; comparable to the Galactic Gladiator)
Let's start what we see happened, then discuss possible interpretations of what happened.
First we see a lot of Alien X, starting to circle around Galactic Gladiator, and forming some sorta portal/wormhole that sucks Galactic Gladiator into it. When the ""wormhole"" appears, we see a green light and a white light appear. The white light seems to be sending it away, while the green light appear to drag him inwards. only for a white light to appear, for us to see a cut only to have Alien x reappear holding Galatic Gladiator. Where Galatic Warrior has clearly given up.
(I have no idea if I should use the word, vortex, portal, or wormhole here...)
So conclusions we can get from this video is?
*1 he gets sucked into some sort a vortex.
*2 After a screen cut, He appears again after being teleported back to the arena with Alien X holding him.
Now let's get into what the problem with regeneration is for this ""feat"".
*Issue 1, We have no idea how much he actually get "destroyed"
*Issue 2, We have no idea if he even gets damaged....
*Issue 3, We have no idea if he even regenerate, much less by itself.
*Issue 4, Even if it was somehow regeneration, why would Alien X have it?...
Now let's get into what I think may have happened.
Possibility 1, The Vortex we see is Alien X creating a portal towards the arena, that sucks Galactic gladiator into it. It is not uncommon for portal to de-materialize and re-materialize when teleporting in fiction.
Possibility 2, The less likely of my assumptions but still possible. That is that after sucking Galactic Gladiator into the Vortex, Alien X heals or resurrect him. before teleporting back to the arena.
Possibility 3 (just a thought), It may be the area's property.
(The order of the proposals in the order I find the most likely to unlikely.)
But now let's go over why i find regeneration so unlikely.
As mentioned above, we see no real indication of him being damaged, destroyed or regenerate. Only him being sucked in, and him reappearing together with Alien X holding him. And by how Galactic Gladiator is on his knees acting, I would not think he can regenerate from that. I find it much more likely with the information we have been shown, that it was somehow Alien X works. At best if we keep it regeneration, we would need to add a "possible" before it. Since it is by no means confirmed.
Proposal 1 votes
Agree - @Ghengiroo115 (replace the feat with the hand regeneration one), @SweetDao, @LephyrTheRevanchist (here), @ActuallySpaceMan42 (here), @DarkDragonMedeus (here),
Disagree -
Neutral - @Catzlaflame (here)
Proposal 2
This one is much simpler a simple rewording.
Be changed to
- Extreme Pain Tolerance (Scales to the Galactic Gladiator, who does not feel any pain after his hand is shattered.)
Why?
- Extreme Pain (Scales to the Galactic Gladiator, who does not feel any pain after his hand is shattered.)
Simple, It already says "resistance to" at the start of the tabber, and I am pretty sure the ability isn't stating that Alien X can resist people negating pain?
Proposal 2 votes
Agree - @57Dev, @TWILIGHT-OP, @Ghengiroo115, @SweetDao, @LephyrTheRevanchist (Should be moved to stamina), @DarkDragonMedeus (agrees with Lephyr), @Catzlaflame (agrees with Lephyr), @ActuallySpaceMan42 (agrees with Lephyr),
Disagree -
Neutral -
Proposal 3
This is something that I propose for this verse, as well as any other verse. All abilities and ratings should have descriptions and and scans.
Now why do i bring up this here?
Well take a look at some of the Profiles for Ben 10 or even some of the physiology pages.
let's start with CelestialSapians
Do I even need to mention what the problem for this is?
- Superhuman Physical Characteristics
- Regeneration (Mid-High)
- Multiple Selves (Type 1)
- Size Manipulation & Body Control
- Immortality (Types 1, 3 & 9)
- Self-Sustenance (Types 1 & 3)
- Acausality (Types 1 & 4)
- Nigh-Omniscience
- Reality Warping(All mentioned abilities and haxes are comparable to Alien X)
- Space-Time Manipulation
- Black Hole Creation
- Pocket Reality Manipulation
- Forcefield Creation
- Mind Manipulation
- Summoning
- Telekinesis
- Creation
- Dimensional Travel
- Teleportation
- Duplication
- Information Manipulation
- Fire Manipulation
- Existence Erasure
- Life Manipulation
- Law Manipulation
- BFR
- Attack Reflection
Resistance to:
Unconventional Resistance to:
- Soul Manipulation
- Empathic Manipulation
- Possession
- Mind Manipulation (All mentioned Resistances are comparable to Alien X)
And for you to believe this is a unique case where they just don't add descriptions, scans and references here are some more, Ben 10, Dagon, Ascalon,
And these are just some of the examples. Almost all profiles lacks scans And some even lack descriptions and let's not even begin to question where the references are. This makes it almost impossible to confirm if these abilities are legit or not, without searching for the CRT where they were added. Note that I am not asking if the abilities are ""correct"" but rather if they were added with permission or not due to the lack of references. And let's not even begin to talk how bad the profiles look...
So now that I have established that this is a repeated problem in this verse. Now We can question why it is? We can clearly state that is not due to lacking supporters or being a old verse that doesn't get upgrades.... We can see that it usually have multiable threads active at once. Either way, asking why it's not happening is irrelevant, what is relevant is that we actually force actions. Since it should be clear as day, that most profiles including the most active once, don't meet the standard requirements both in Quality and how they deal with descriptions, scans and references. So to simplify what I want.
To either add descriptions and scans/references to the abilities, or just remove them entirely so stuff like this doesn't happened.
If the profile itself can't even prove that the abilities are legit, how are we suppose to defend or debunk it?, Much less trust it.
Proposal 3 votes
(Agreeing means forcing description and scans and/or references if not that can't be fulfilled we just take the abilities away, until they can be.)
Agree - @TWILIGHT-OP, @Ghengiroo115, @SweetDao,
Disagree -
Neutral - @57Dev,
Note I was planning to make either a staff thread about active verses needing to be stricter with references, scans and descriptions, or a CRT about adding references, description and scans to the profiles that are still active. Now that I think about it both may actually be best. Either way that was my plans if proposal 3 gets accepted.
TLTR
Proposal 1 -Deleting a questionable regeneration
Proposal 2 - Fixing the wording of a ability
Proposal 3 - Forcing Ben 10 profiles (extra focus on the active once) to actually bring references and descriptions toward there abilities, and scans would be a plus....
General notes
- Note 1, I personally believe that being able to find the origin of where the abilities come from is much more important then the actual ability itself.
- Note 2, I am not well versed in the verse So i am only using what I have seen in the profile and let me tell you it was far from ideal.... (I tried getting into contact with some of the Alien X scalers on discord but was unsuccessful.
- Note 3, As always in my threads it will be updated as the CRT moves along.
- Note 4, Proposal 3 is the most important in this thread.
PS, I wish everyone to have a civilized discussion. All help is apricated, just try to not go in circles. I wish everyone a Great day and thank everyone that participate in this thread.
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