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FNAF's verse-specific power, Remnant Physiology, has quite a few issues that I intend to fix. In fact, I believe that there are too many issues to address by simply editing the page, so I've come up with a brand-new, reworked page:

The reworked Remnant page

List of all general changes:
  • Changed title from "Remnant Physiology" to "Remnant" to better align with the wiki's standards.
  • Changed requirements for abilities: only abilities with at least three (with a few exceptions) users qualify. Removed all invalid abilities (Data Manip, Corrosion Inducement, Accelerated Development, etc.)
  • Added abilities from instances released after the original page's creation (The Week Before, Into The Pit game, etc.).
  • Added new "Peak-Tier".
  • Added numerous new abilities and removed several.
  • Added explanation for qualifications for each tier.
  • Improved formatting.
  • Fixed typos and improper grammar.
  • Removed links to the FNAF wiki.
  • Added far more references.
  • Moved characters to their proper tiers.
  • Added multiple weaknesses.
  • Added individual weaknesses for each tier.
  • Added notes.
Low-Tier:
  • Added two more justifications for type 2 Immortality.
  • Removed type 4 immortality due to the justification being far too vague.
  • Added additional detail for type 8 immortality.
  • Added a justification for Self-Sustenance.
  • Removed Yellow Rabbit's Self-Sustenance justification due to it not being Low-Tier.
  • Added Limited Healing and Non-Physical Interaction.
  • Added Bare Endo, Bidybabs, Minireenas, and possibly William Afton to list of users.
  • Added three more weaknesses.
Mid-Tier:
  • Removed first type 2 Immortality justification due to FNAF 1 characters now being High-Tier.
  • Added a justification for type 2 Immortality.
  • Removed Energy Manipulation due to Foxy now being High-Tier.
  • Removed Data Manipulation due to being specific to Fetch only.
  • Changed first and second Technology Manipulation justifications due to FNAF 1 characters now being High-Tier.
  • Added a justification for Technology Manipulation.
  • Removed Illusion Creation due to FNAF 1 characters now being High-Tier.
  • Removed Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, and Foxy from list of users due to them now being High-Tier.
  • Removed Minireenas and Bidybabs from list of users due to them now being Low-Tier.
High-Tier:
  • Moved abilities and users to Peak-Tier.
  • Added greater type 2 Immortality, Perception Manipulation, greater Technology Manipulation, Sound Manipulation, and Telepathy.
  • Added Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, Foxy, The Puppet, Shadow Bonnie, and Yellow Rabbit to list of users.
Peak-Tier:
  • Exists.
  • Preserved type 5 Immortality, type 6 Immortality, Pain Manipulation, Possession, Corruption, Body Puppetry, Perception Manipulation, Life Manipulation, and Resistance to Fire Manipulation.
  • Added Memory Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Sealing, Power Nullification, Empathic Manipulation, Aura, Dream Manipulation, and Resistance to Heat.
  • Removed Puppet and RWQFSFASXC from list of users due to them now being High-Tier.
Spirit:
  • Changed "all mid-level abilities" to "all abilities of their users' levels".
  • Added Self-Sustenance.
  • Changed justification for Immersion.
  • Removed limited Reality Warping due to that actually being Illusion Creation.
  • Added Absorption, Empowerment, Likely Subjective Reality/Memory Manipulation, Possession, Enhanced Senses, Non-Physical Interaction, multiple types of Immortality, and type 1 Abstract Existence.
  • Added RWQFSFASXC and Eleanor to list of users.

Also, this will cause certain profiles' abilities to be redundant and preferable to be removed, specifically Toy Freddy, Toy Bonnie, Toy Chica, Mangle, BB, and Puppet's Berserk Modes, Shadow Bonnie's Immersion and Sound Manipulation, The One You Shouldn't Have Killed's Incorporeality, Life Manipulation, and Sealing, Fetch's Technology Manipulation, Frights Minireenas' type 2 Immortality, Frights Foxy's type 2 Immortality, Andrew's Aura, Life Manipulation, and Mind Manipulation, and Yellow Rabbit's Perception Manipulation and Illusion Creation.


Agree (2): @Perequeliri993, @noninho

Disagree:

Neutral:
 
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FNAF's verse-specific power, Remnant Physiology, has quite a few issues that I intend to fix. In fact, I believe that there are too many issues to address by simply editing the page, so I've come up with a brand-new, reworked page:

The reworked Remnant page

List of all general changes:
  • Changed title from "Remnant Physiology" to "Remnant" to better align with the wiki's standards.
  • Changed requirements for abilities: only abilities with at least three (with a few exceptions) users qualify. Removed all invalid abilities (Data Manip, Corrosion Inducement, Accelerated Development, etc.)
  • Added abilities from instances released after the original page's creation (The Week Before, Into The Pit game, etc.).
  • Added new "Peak-Tier".
  • Added numerous new abilities and removed several.
  • Added explanation for qualifications for each tier.
  • Improved formatting.
  • Fixed typos and improper grammar.
  • Removed links to the FNAF wiki.
  • Added far more references.
  • Moved characters to their proper tiers.
  • Added multiple weaknesses.
  • Added individual weaknesses for each tier.
  • Added notes.
Low-Tier:
  • Added two more justifications for type 2 Immortality.
  • Removed type 4 immortality due to the justification being far too vague.
  • Added additional detail for type 8 immortality.
  • Added a justification for Self-Sustenance.
  • Removed Yellow Rabbit's Self-Sustenance justification due to it not being Low-Tier.
  • Added Limited Healing and Non-Physical Interaction.
  • Added Bare Endo, Bidybabs, Minireenas, and possibly William Afton to list of users.
  • Added three more weaknesses.
Mid-Tier:
  • Removed first type 2 Immortality justification due to FNAF 1 characters now being High-Tier.
  • Added a justification for type 2 Immortality.
  • Removed Energy Manipulation due to Foxy now being High-Tier.
  • Removed Data Manipulation due to being specific to Fetch only.
  • Changed first and second Technology Manipulation justifications due to FNAF 1 characters now being High-Tier.
  • Added a justification for Technology Manipulation.
  • Removed Illusion Creation due to FNAF 1 characters now being High-Tier.
  • Removed Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, and Foxy from list of users due to them now being High-Tier.
  • Removed Minireenas and Bidybabs from list of users due to them now being Low-Tier.
High-Tier:
  • Moved abilities and users to Peak-Tier.
  • Added greater type 2 Immortality, Perception Manipulation, greater Technology Manipulation, Sound Manipulation, and Telepathy.
  • Added Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, Foxy, The Puppet, Shadow Bonnie, and Yellow Rabbit to list of users.
Peak-Tier:
  • Exists.
  • Preserved type 5 Immortality, type 6 Immortality, Pain Manipulation, Possession, Corruption, Body Puppetry, Perception Manipulation, Life Manipulation, and Resistance to Fire Manipulation.
  • Added Memory Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Sealing, Power Nullification, Empathic Manipulation, Aura, Dream Manipulation, and Resistance to Heat.
  • Removed Puppet and RWQFSFASXC from list of users due to them now being High-Tier.
Spirit:
  • Changed "all mid-level abilities" to "all abilities of their users' levels".
  • Added Self-Sustenance.
  • Changed justification for Immersion.
  • Removed limited Reality Warping due to that actually being Illusion Creation.
  • Added Absorption, Empowerment, Likely Subjective Reality/Memory Manipulation, Possession, Enhanced Senses, Non-Physical Interaction, multiple types of Immortality, and type 1 Abstract Existence.
  • Added RWQFSFASXC and Eleanor to list of users.

Also, this will cause certain profiles' abilities to be redundant and preferable to be removed, specifically Toy Freddy, Toy Bonnie, Toy Chica, Mangle, BB, and Puppet's Berserk Modes, Shadow Bonnie's Immersion and Sound Manipulation, The One You Shouldn't Have Killed's Incorporeality, Life Manipulation, and Sealing, Fetch's Technology Manipulation, Frights Minireenas' type 2 Immortality, Frights Foxy's type 2 Immortality, Andrew's Aura, Life Manipulation, and Mind Manipulation, and Yellow Rabbit's Perception Manipulation and Illusion Creation.


Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:
I agree with most things here. Maybe you can add Bonnie's head thing from TWB? that seemed mostly to be a physiology thing than anything else.

Also, make sure to note that despite having type 1 abstract physiology, characters that can interact with more conventional ghosts/spirits, or with soul manip, should still be capable of interacting with them.
 
I agree with most things here. Maybe you can add Bonnie's head thing from TWB? that seemed mostly to be a physiology thing than anything else.
I considered it, but ultimately decided on excluding it due to not meeting the three-user criteria.

Also, make sure to note that despite having type 1 abstract physiology, characters that can interact with more conventional ghosts/spirits, or with soul manip, should still be capable of interacting with them.
Will do.
 
i can't get scans right now, but i think even Low Tier Remnant should have Regeneration, i have made my argument here, i will bring scans later when i am more free

Edit: We even have Low Tier in this sandbox have Healing, which is "Limited Healing (Haunted animatronics, such as the Special Delivery animatronics[5] or Eleanor,[8] can be healed with a supply of Remnant)" aka, things like Scraptrap being losing an arm can be explained by him simply not having enough remnant to heal that wound at the time
 
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i can't get scans right now, but i think even Low Tier Remnant should have Regeneration, i have made my argument here, i will bring scans later when i am more free
Does any other low-tier Remnant user have regen other than Mike? Because if not, that ability would just be specific to him
 
Does any other low-tier Remnant user have regen other than Mike? Because if not, that ability would just be specific to him
i mean, Eleanor and the AR Animatronics can heal themselves with Remnant(as you pointed out in your rework), Mike's shows how far they can heal and William has accepted Regeneration for seemingly having a heartbeat again as Scraptrap when he didn't had one as Springtrap
Edit: We even have Low Tier in this sandbox have Healing, which is "Limited Healing (Haunted animatronics, such as the Special Delivery animatronics[5] or Eleanor,[8] can be healed with a supply of Remnant)" aka, things like Scraptrap being losing an arm can be explained by him simply not having enough remnant to heal that wound at the time
 
i mean, Eleanor and the AR Animatronics can heal themselves with Remnant(as you pointed out in your rework), Mike's shows how far they can heal
Healing =/= regeneration.
William has accepted Regeneration for seemingly having a heartbeat again as Scraptrap when he didn't had one as Springtrap
Even if I did agree with that (which I don't, hence why it isn't in the reworked page), Afton's a peak-tier user. The reason Eleanor's instance is in low-tier is because it isn't depicted as her using some unique ability. Eleanor's instance is also accepted due to being supported by the Special Delivery animatronics' instances. Having regen in the page would require having at least three (or two if it's implied that others could also use the ability) users, which this regen doesn't qualify for. At best, it's just Mike and William.
 
Healing =/= regeneration.
i mean..........not exactly, both are "healing injuries", i had this talk.....many times, with many people with many threads, honestly these abilities and Resurection kind of overlap afaik

Regen is doing so passively........which looking back, is not really what Mike is doing? like, his skin wouldn't become purple if he is passively regenerating, his insides are ocupied, but his skin is free to "heal"

Even if I did agree with that (which I don't, hence why it isn't in the reworked page), Afton's a peak-tier user. The reason Eleanor's instance is in low-tier is because it isn't depicted as her using some unique ability. Eleanor's instance is also accepted due to being supported by the Special Delivery animatronics' instances. Having regen in the page would require having at least three (or two if it's implied that others could also use the ability) users, which this regen doesn't qualify for. At best, it's just Mike and William.
Regen is still healing........just with extra steps, honestly they overlap, but regardless......i am not sure William and Mike's case is regen to begin with, looking at the instances of Remnant healing stuff, it should honestly be healing instead
 
There's alot of dense stuff here and sense I'm not really using the wiki much these few days I'm not gona dig into it

But as someone who looked at the fanf profiles alot and am a long time fanf fan, I thought the rement page was fine as it was
 
Good point. Type 5 Immortality has been removed. Type 6 Immortality stays for now due to TOYSNHK, Afton, Andrew, and Eleanor all having done that at some point
shouldn't type 5 be kept for Spirits since.....they have type 5 in the blog? or is TOYSNHK's too different for that to matter?
 
shouldn't type 5 be kept for Spirits since.....they have type 5 in the blog? or is TOYSNHK's too different for that to matter?
The spirits' type 5 has not been removed due to having different justification, that being that it's established somewhere that fear can stop souls from reaching the afterlife (although I'm considering replacing fear with agony/rage in that section since I couldn't find the fear statements and Andrew's rage keeps him from moving on in Frights)
 
The spirits' type 5 has not been removed due to having different justification, that being that it's established somewhere that fear can stop souls from reaching the afterlife (although I'm considering replacing fear with agony/rage in that section since I couldn't find the fear statements and Andrew's rage keeps him from moving on in Frights)
i mean, can't you keep both as say "strong negative emotions" in general?

also what do you think about my Healing argument? i think it has props to it
 
But as someone who looked at the fanf profiles alot and am a long time fanf fan, I thought the rement page was fine as it was
It was pretty messy, unclear on what qualified a character for each tier, and had a lot of questionable content like having Corrosion Inducement despite most of the people in the RP creation thread disagreeing with it. There were other minor issues like the weaknesses section being incredibly barebones, but that's the basic gist of it.

i mean, can't you keep both as say "strong negative emotions" in general?
Sure

also what do you think about my Healing argument? i think it has props to it
Regen is doing so passively........which looking back, is not really what Mike is doing? like, his skin wouldn't become purple if he is passively regenerating, his insides are ocupied, but his skin is free to "heal"
Regen is still healing........just with extra steps, honestly they overlap, but regardless......i am not sure William and Mike's case is regen to begin with, looking at the instances of Remnant healing stuff, it should honestly be healing instead
I'm not really sure what the argument even is. It sounds to me like you think low-tier should have Healing, but it already does.
 
in the "High tier" remant, since Puppet is in it, shouldn't Life manip be changed to it instead since Puppet was the one to "give life" to the FNAF 1 animatronics by making the souls be able to possess them?
 
in the "High tier" remant, since Puppet is in it, shouldn't Life manip be changed to it instead since Puppet was the one to "give life" to the FNAF 1 animatronics by making the souls be able to possess them?
You'd need at least three-ish high-tier users with Life Manip for that. Otherwise, it's just going to be treated as something unique to The Puppet.

yeah i do, just wanting to add Mike's and Afton's showings there as examples of how far they can heal
Oh, yeah. I can do that. I'll probably resume editing the page tomorrow since I'm going to sleep soon, but I'll keep engaging with this thread for a bit longer
 
You'd need at least three-ish high-tier users with Life Manip for that. Otherwise, it's just going to be treated as something unique to The Puppet.
i mean........we have more examples of Life manip for "Peak" tiers, so if we see a "High" tier doing it, wouldn't that be evidence that it is a "High" tier ability, that is also shown by "Peak" tiers?
 
i mean........we have more examples of Life manip for "Peak" tiers, so if we see a "High" tier doing it, wouldn't that be evidence that it is a "High" tier ability, that is also shown by "Peak" tiers?
Not necessarily. If we put Puppet in peak-tier, that'd also give it all of the other peak-tier abilities (Memory Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Sealing, Power Nullification, Empathic Manipulation, Aura, Dream Manipulation, and Resistance to Heat). I think it's more reasonable to just have Puppet be a high-tier with Life Manip, especially considering how Puppet's Life Manip differs from the peak-tiers' usages of it; Puppet uses it to bind souls to vessels whereas peak-tiers use it to keep others alive and siphon or infuse Remnant into stuff. It should be worth noting that there's a difference between simply infusing Remnant into technology (Andrew throwing his agony at Fetch, Ella, etc.) and fusing specific spirits into technology (what Puppet did). Andrew didn't even end up possessing the likes of Fetch himself, he just turned them hostile.
 
While this is better then the original page, it doesn't solve any of the real issues, being that some of the Agony abilities currently count as Remnant...
 
Also, Why is there no mentions of the Spirits being unable to remember their deaths, and their memories being linked to there bodies? Meaning they will lack memories and often not even know they are dead until they find their own body.
 
Why was Immortality Type 3 removed?

Edit: Corrosion should be readded, Afton, Stitchwraith and I think Elenaor does it
 
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While this is better then the original page, it doesn't solve any of the real issues, being that some of the Agony abilities currently count as Remnant...
Are they different? I thought Agony was a sub-power of Remnant.

Also, Why is there no mentions of the Spirits being unable to remember their deaths
Check the spirit weaknesses.

Oh wait, it says they can't remember their lives. Yeah, I can add that.
and their memories being linked to there bodies? Meaning they will lack memories and often not even know they are dead until they find their own body.
Because I'm not 100% knowledgeable about Frights. I can add it.
Why was Immortality Type 3 removed?
For which key? Peak-tier was because only Afton does it, which doesn't meet the three-user criteria, and spirit-tier was because I thought it was redundant, though I guess I can re-add it.

Wait, it is on spirit-tier, my bad.
Edit: Corrosion should be readded, Afton, Stitchwraith and I think Elenaor does it
Pretty sure that only Stitchwraith does it, and even then, that required Afton to influence them. If you can provide scans of Eleanor and Afton doing it on their own (the FNAF 2 minigames don't count because they're visually unreliable), I can re-add them.
 
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Are they different? I thought Agony was a sub-power of Remnant.
Remnant and agony generally overlap a lot, but they are technically diferent things. For example, Yeloow Rabbit is an agony-only construct, with no remnant as far as I'm aware
Check the spirit weaknesses.

Oh wait, it says they can't remember their lives. Yeah, I can add that.

Because I'm not 100% knowledgeable about Frights. I can add it.
You should always wait 'till scans are provided.
 
You should always wait 'till scans are provided.
I generally agree, but the bit about not remembering their deaths was in the same scan I referenced, so I added it.
Remnant and agony generally overlap a lot, but they are technically diferent things. For example, Yeloow Rabbit is an agony-only construct, with no remnant as far as I'm aware
So what should we do about that? Should agony have its own tier or sub-tier?
 
Are they different? I thought Agony was a sub-power of Remnant.
It is not, Anyone who says that and mentions that as a fact is wrong since there is no proof and just believes their own headcanon to be canon...

So yeah, remnant and Agny need to be separated...

Do I even need to say how that would affect the abilities on the profile, if you want I can list them here?
 
It is not, Anyone who says that and mentions that as a fact is wrong since there is no proof and just believes their own headcanon to be canon...

So yeah, remnant and Agny need to be separated...

Do I even need to say how that would affect the abilities on the profile, if you want I can list them here?
i mean, giving full credit to the 2 being completely different, firstly we need a text explaining how both are related, yet different, think of a new name for the page i guess......"Emotions Manip" can work? question mark? then separate what haxes is from each, then separate the tiers for each, then see which chars would have both Agony and Remnant, for example, i think that the FNAF 1 animatronics would have have...........right?
 
then see which chars would have both Agony and Remnant, for example, i think that the FNAF 1 animatronics would have have...........right?
FNAF 1 gang, FNAF 2 gang, Afton, TOYSNHK, basically every Frights character, Shadow Bonnie, and Yellow Rabbit, among others

Also, wasn't The Mimic infused with agony?
 
i mean, giving full credit to the 2 being completely different, firstly we need a text explaining how both are related, yet different, think of a new name for the page i guess......"Emotions Manip" can work? question mark? then separate what haxes is from each, then separate the tiers for each, then see which chars would have both Agony and Remnant, for example, i think that the FNAF 1 animatronics would have have...........right?
Bassicly All offensive hax are Agony...

Remnent has not shown any potential to cause damage by itself, instead only have shown properties of healing, illusions, immortality life manipulation, etc.

While Agony has shown properties of corruption, illusion, death manipulation (instant death via touch).

Have a lot more, but these are the main once ontop of the head.
 
Another thing that is important is how Rement actively fights Agony, with them even being called "polar opposites"
Although the two substances are polar opposites and shouldn't be able to coexist, they become a source of immense power when combined.
Remnant is the term for the physical manifestation of memories infused with and possessing inanimate objects. It should be noted that this only applies for memories and good emotions.

While Agony is a mixture of bad memories pain and negative emotions.
 
Also tbh, Remennt should have "healing" as well as resurrection.

Though Regarding pure Rement beings We only have "jake" from the stithray (Walways forgets what that robot is called)... And Charlie. Those are the only 2 beings that would have the highest level of Remnant.
 
TOYSNHK healing William constantly in UCN even after he is dismantled should also go for "Healing" in remnant alongside the other examples i brought up..........do you want me to get the scans before putting them there?
Agreed. You don't need to get the scans, I'll add it sometime.
huh, where did he got it from? haven't read Pizzaplex Tales yet
His creator is implied to have infused him with agony while destroying him.
Another thing that is important is how Rement actively fights Agony, with them even being called "polar opposites"

Remnant is the term for the physical manifestation of memories infused with and possessing inanimate objects. It should be noted that this only applies for memories and good emotions.

While Agony is a mixture of bad memories pain and negative emotions.
Noted.
Though Regarding pure Rement beings We only have "jake" from the stithray (Walways forgets what that robot is called)... And Charlie. Those are the only 2 beings that would have the highest level of Remnant.
The levels of Remnant aren't categorized by how pure they are. Also, the Crying Children are probably pure Remnant too, right?
 
The levels of Remnant aren't categorized by how pure they are. Also, the Crying Children are probably pure Remnant too, right?
tbh, I am not sure about him, his entire existence is a uncertainty, we know he died, we know when he died and how, and we know he is broken, the rest is uncertanties, Hell we don't even have direct evidence he is an Afton...

See the problem for using him as anything?
 
tbh, I am not sure about him, his entire existence is a uncertainty, we know he died, we know when he died and how, and we know he is broken, the rest is uncertanties, Hell we don't even have direct evidence he is an Afton...

See the problem for using him as anything?
Not the FNAF 4 protagonist, the souls in the FNAF 1 animatronics. The Crying Children, not the Crying Child
 
Another thing that is important is how Rement actively fights Agony, with them even being called "polar opposites"

Remnant is the term for the physical manifestation of memories infused with and possessing inanimate objects. It should be noted that this only applies for memories and good emotions.

While Agony is a mixture of bad memories pain and negative emotions.
bingo, we can call the page "Emotions" and then call it a day while indexing both Agony and Remnant in there

Another thing that is important is how Rement actively fights Agony, with them even being called "polar opposites"

Remnant is the term for the physical manifestation of memories infused with and possessing inanimate objects. It should be noted that this only applies for memories and good emotions.

While Agony is a mixture of bad memories pain and negative emotions.
do we have.......anything exclusive to "Agony/Remnant" combination? or it is just "can use both at the same time, but stronger"
 
bingo, we can call the page "Emotions" and then call it a day while indexing both Agony and Remnant in there
I think we could probably still call the page Remnant while featuring agony on it as well. Thing is, Remnant isn't just emotions, but is also spiritual energy and memories
 
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