Fire Force P&A CRT (Part 1): Knight King

[Sonoftanavast9]

For how heated a lot of the recent Fire Force upgrade/downgrade threads have been it's kinda shocking how barebones most of the current profiles are. A lot if not all of them lack relevant scans, are extremely barebones or are filled with links that no longer function so I wanted to address this problem one step at time starting with the rather bad P&A sections so I'll start with Arthur Boyle

Sandbox:

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New Ability Additions:
Base Key Abilities:

• Plasma Manipulation: Arthurs ignition ability allows him to create flames that he can superheat all the way to plasma which he then forms into a blade atop his sword hilt - Kind of insane how his literal main ability wasn't even on his profile
• Empowerment: Arthur is just as unstable as plasma such that he is easily influenced by external factors which can amplify his internal image of himself thus change his strength, this is because his internal image is based around being knightly so the better he embodies a knightly image, the more powerful he will become
• Acrobatics: Arthur is quite acrobatic, able to can change his position midair to land properly and jump across falling debris
• Precognition: Was taught to sense the Breath of Life allowing the him to sense the life of others as well as predict an opponents next move
• Information Analysis: By sensing the Breath of Life Arthur is able to sense the intention of an opponents attacks to differentiate a feints from real attacks and illusions from a real opponent
• Weapon Creation and Weapon Control: Arthur can control Excalibur's blade allowing him to bend it to hit opponents and alters its size for specific attacks as well as can create other things out of Plasma like a mantle
• Energy Projection: Originally Arthur could only fire crescent plasma projectiles from Excalibur while empowered but after gaining the new Excalibur he can fire them in base
• Possibly Holy Manipulation: With Dragon Vanquishing Holy Sword

Base Key Resistance:

• Limited Radiation Manipulation: Pyrokinetics are more resistant to radiation than normal humans
• Power Nullification: Maki is unable to outright extinguish Arthurs flames or prevent him from using them despite the fact that she could do so to Shinra
• Mind Manipulation: Resisted the effects of quick acting stimulatory gas by clearing his mind of all mundane thoughts
• Extrasensory Perception and Precognition: Non-Self allows Arthur to deliver attacks which even masters of breath reading cannot predict

Great Cataclysm Key (No star ring):

• Absorption and Damage Boost: Capable of absorbing lightning from within clouds to amplify the power of his sword strikes
• Free Movement: Capable of running on clouds as if they were solid as well as vertical surfaces of water
• Enhanced Electricity Manipulation: Able to more freely manipulate his knightly lightning and can even project lightning bolts as a means of attack
• Holy Manipulation Purification: Excalibur is stated by the narrative to be a holy sword and possesses purification properties that can even cleans the despair of the Adolla
• Air Manipulation: Can control wind to form a tornado beneath himself

Great Cataclysm Key (Star Ring):

• Enhanced Extrasensory Perception: Can sense the Breath of Life Across earth all the way from space and can even sense the soul wavelength

Justification Additions/Changes:

Expert Swordsmanship - Completely lacks a justification

Expert Swordsmanship: Already a crazy good fighter able to counter attacks even from inconvenient stances Arthur was later taught traditional Japanese swordplay by Lieutenant Konro who is himself a highly skilled samurai able to fight pyrokinetics with his swordsmanship alone

Expert Hand-to-Hand Combatant - Completely lacks a justification

Expert Hand-to-Hand Combatant: Early into the series Arthur was able to fight an intelligent infernal without the use of his ignition ability with just hand-to-hand combat which improved as he was more formally trained in Asakusa by Benimaru as well as Maki Oze who is a very skilled fighter having been former miliary

Fire Manipulation & Heat Manipulation - Completely lacks a justification

Fire Manipulation, Heat Manipulation, Plasma Manipulation and Weapon Creation: Arthurs ignition ability allows him to create flames that he can superheats all the way to plasma which he the forms into a blade atop his hilt

Lightning Manipulation - Lacks a justification

Electricity Manipulation: Arthurs can channel electricity through his blade imbuing into his attacks

Stealth Mastery (Attempted to sneak up on Benimaru, likely couldn’t due to his experience)

The reason is pretty lackluster so this should probably be removed

Instinctive Reaction (By constantly valuing life, and the possibility of an attack at any time, they can be aware of situations and evade, despite it being casual moments earlier)

Instinctive Reaction: Users of the Breath of Life can react to attacks instinctively

Extrasensory Perception (Can sense intent, and presence)

Extrasensory Perception and Precognition (Was taught to sense the Breath of Life allowing the him to sense the life of others as well as predict an opponents next move)

Statistics Amplification (Can utilise his Hysterical Strength to enable him use 100% of his power)

Statistics Amplification: Learned to access the Press of Death which allows him to use Hysterical Strength enabling him to use 100% of his power where he would be using only 30% otherwise

Resistance to Electricity Manipulation (Jammed Haumea's electric signal)

Resistance to Electricity Manipulation and Mind Manipulation: Resisted the effects of quick acting stimulatory gas by clearing his mind of all mundane thoughts and he's able resist Haumea's mind control because his plasma is able to jam electric signal preventing them from reaching his nervous system

Resistance to Analytical Prediction & Telepathy (Snuck up and slashed Giovanni, who can read thoughts and sense intent)

Resistance to Information analysis and Telepathy (Non-Self Nirvana allows Arthur to become resistant to mind reading and even Giovanni's pheromone reading which allows him to read human emotions, mental states and much more)

Teleportation (Shown here)

Power Mimicry, Magic and Teleportation: Capable of using the teleportation magic "zoom" which he clearly copied from his worlds version of Dragon Quest called "Dragon Question"

Range: As far as his feet can reach, Extended Melee Range to Several Meters if the fire is used (depends on ways of usage) | Planetary (Sliced clean through the earth from the moon)

Range: Extended Melee Range up to Tens of Meters with Excalibur (Excalibur is a standard length sword that can be extended if Arthur chooses) | Planetary Sensory Range (Can sense the Breath of Life and Soul Wavelength across Earth from space) and Planetary Melee Range with Excalibur (Sliced clean through the earth from the moon and could attack Shinra who was on earth from far into space)

Stamina: Superhuman (Fought on several occasions against high-level enemies and kept fighting even after being beaten down several times)

Stamina: Superhuman (Capable of fighting continuously for 5 hours after essentially being tortured right before starting) | Higher (Can continue fighting after being severely injured)

Miscellaneous Corrections/Changes:

Excalibur: High-tech sword handle that allows him to compress his flames and create a plasma sword

This in the standard equipment section is just straight up not true... Excalibur isn't high tech and it doesn't compress his flames into plasma for him, that's what his powers do. Excalibur is just a hilt


There's more stuff I want to do and obviously more characters I want to get to but this seems like a reasonable start to branch out from, so that's all for this thread I think.

Agree: Excel616, Lynieryz, SeijiSetto, Milly_Rocking_Bandit, Nierre, Dereck03, Duedate8898 (Everything except Holy Manipulation, Power Mimicry and Magic), Elizhaa
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Excellence616]

Good work, I agree

 

[Lynieryz]

Agree FRA

 

[Lynieryz]

Shouldn't Arthur have reality warping? And couldn't his range be greater for being able to hit Shinra (when he was falling into despair)?

 

[Arkenis]

Just make a sandbox for this.

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

Just make a sandbox for this.

Done, I'll add it to the OP

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[Arkenis]

You also need references. Maybe just for the important stuff at least.

 

[Iiliminal]

Agree

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

You also need references. Maybe just for the important stuff at least.

aight done for all of it

 

[Pedonar]

Agree

 

[SeijiSetto]

for the record, breath of life shit would be analytical prediction since he isn't ACTUALLY seeing into the future
lifting strength in the cataclysm key also completely lacks a justification
SS and dura have an "at most" for some reason, they are the same as his AP so they should be written the same.
they also need a "higher with superfire"
superhuman stamina should have scans and references
range's "as far as his feet can reach" should be removed, just leave it as extended melee to several metres (and also provide scans)

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

for the record, breath of life shit would be analytical prediction since he isn't ACTUALLY seeing into the future

I mean yeah clearly but analytical prediction is kinda held under the precog page as one of the two types so maybe I should clarify it more to be analytical prediction not divination

lifting strength in the cataclysm key also completely lacks a justification
SS and dura have an "at most" for some reason, they are the same as his AP so they should be written the same.
they also need a "higher with superfire"
superhuman stamina should have scans and references
range's "as far as his feet can reach" should be removed, just leave it as extended melee to several metres (and also provide scans)

I plan on working on the overall profiles after the P&A revisions(fleshing them out more etc.) though I can probably get the appropriate scans/feats for stamina & planetary range within the next hour or so

 

[SeijiSetto]

I mean yeah clearly but analytical prediction is kinda held under the precog page as one of the two types so maybe I should clarify it more to be analytical prediction not divination

yeah i get that, it's just important to specify which
looks p good otherwise

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

yeah i get that, it's just important to specify which
looks p good otherwise

Thanks for the input, I've clarified the analytical prediction the on the Sandbox and have added the following Stamina & Range Justification which will also be added to the OP as well as another extrasensory perception justification for his star ring key

Range: As far as his feet can reach, Extended Melee Range to Several Meters if the fire is used (depends on ways of usage) | Planetary (Sliced clean through the earth from the moon)

Range: Extended Melee Range up to Tens of Meters with Excalibur (Excalibur is a standard length sword that can be extended if Arthur chooses) | Planetary Sensory Range (Can sense the Breath of Life and Soul Wavelength across Earth from space) and Planetary Melee Range with Excalibur (Sliced clean through the earth from the moon and could attack Shinra who was on earth from far into space)

Stamina: Superhuman (Fought on several occasions against high-level enemies and kept fighting even after being beaten down several times)

Stamina: Superhuman (Capable of fighting continuously for 5 hours after essentially being tortured right before starting) | Higher (Can continue fighting after being severely injured)

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Good enough.

 

[SeijiSetto]

might wanna remove categories before ant gets mad
categories being the {{7-C}} and {{Varies}}

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

Bump

 

[Nierre]

nice work

 

[Shmooply]

All that just for him to get fodderized by King Knight.

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

Bump

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

Bump

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

Bump

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

Bump

 

[Excellence616]

Bump

You could go to some staff walls and request input l

 

[Dereck03]

I do think the proposed changes seems fine, so unless someone has a valid counter argument then i agree.

 

[Excellence616]

I do think the proposed changes seems fine, so unless someone has a valid counter argument then i agree.

Thanks for your input

 

[Duedate8898]

I gave a cursory glance, and most of it looks fine. I'll give my full thoughts when I get home so I can properly approve things

 

[Duedate8898]

Okay, for full breakdown, everything but the holy manipulation and power mimicry/magic should be fine.

The maybe holy manipulation is really just a name Arthur has for his attack before his Great Cataclysm awakening, while narration calling his blade a holy one I don't think is good enough in this instance because just to call a weapon holy isn't the strongest proof especially when all of this power is based more in Arthur's Subjective Reality not anything actually divine. And the reason I think power mimicry and magic should go is because the power that Arthur is using to get the teleportation is his subjective reality and he never actually copies anyones power from what I can remember of this section. So it's better just to list it as teleportation based on his subjective reality.

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

Okay, for full breakdown, everything but the holy manipulation and power mimicry/magic should be fine.

The maybe holy manipulation is really just a name Arthur has for his attack before his Great Cataclysm awakening, while narration calling his blade a holy one I don't think is good enough in this instance because just to call a weapon holy isn't the strongest proof especially when all of this power is based more in Arthur's Subjective Reality not anything actually divine. And the reason I think power mimicry and magic should go is because the power that Arthur is using to get the teleportation is his subjective reality and he never actually copies anyones power from what I can remember of this section. So it's better just to list it as teleportation based on his subjective reality.

Thanks for the feedback

I could agree that the justification isn't much though there's some things like how his blade has purification properties so I'm fine with the removal but suggest the addition of Purification

As for power mimicry/magic, It's never outright stated but it's not too ambiguous that Arthur copied it from the game he played because the game is basically his world version of "Dragon quest"(being Dragon Question maybe for legal reasons seeing as it's even played on a Super Nintendo, the console which several DQ game released on, which was also changed to "Super Mintendo") and "Zoom" is a recurring teleportation spell in the dragon quest franchise so I think it's fairly obvious where he copied the spell from.

 

[Duedate8898]

I can agree with purification.

Power mimicry/magic still isn't the best bet because Arthur isn't really mimicking a power, Zoom doesn't actually exist in the series and magic in the verse isn't a thing just yet. And again the fact that Arthur doesn't employ this against Dragon in any capacity also makes me go against calling it Power Mimicry/Magic instead of just putting it under his Subjective Reality and Teleportation.

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

Alright the OP & sandbox have been changed to reflect the removal/changes

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

Bump

 

[Elizhaa]

What Duedate8898 accepted seems fine.

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

Alright I've made the necessary changes so this thread can be closed

 

[Elizhaa]

Sure.