Final Fantasy VII ratings?

[Antvasima]

Recently the characters were upgraded based on that the Knights of the Round apparently created a pocket realm with several visible stars.

However, this seems to contradict that the far stronger Sephiroth's greatest supernova feat was strictly calculated at tier 4-B.

This makes me uncertain regarding stars within the pocket reality created by the KOTR were not simply an illusion, or of a far smaller nature and distances than within our universe.

It does seem strange that entities that are far weaker than Sephiroth should suddenly possess such a high scale of power.

NOTE: This thread is strictly for talking about whether the FFVII characters should be 4-B or 4-A. It is not supposed to be about massive further downgrades. Posts that divert the topic will be deleted.

 

[SSJRyu1]

Yeah I'd be inclined to agree that knights of the round being 4A is inconsistent with the rest of the feats, such as Sephiroths supernova which is made a big deal out of and very specific, and explaining it as an illusion or simply not having the same distance between the stars as multiple solar systems would normally in our universe is a more sound conclusion.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

• Sigh* And i had to close two different fights that involved the FF characters the other day....

 

[Antvasima]

That is my impression as well. I would prefer if the pages are changed back to 4-B ratings.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

I suppose that might have to be the case. Boy is it going to be a pain to have to restore those matchs i had to close the other day...

 

[Antvasima]

Well, versus threads are not so important. It is the content revision topics that the staff members should mainly worry about.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Hmmm.

Well i suppose that we have to go downgrading or something again on this. *shrugs*

 

[Antvasima]

I have reverted the statistics until we get this sorted out.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I am with agreement with both Antvasima and Ryu.

The Supernova feat is treated as a big deal and an immensely powerful attack that it is game more potent than Knights of the Round. That, alongside Square Enix / Soft not really knowing how powerful their characters are, makes me kinda iffy on taking the stars in Knights of the Round at face value. Downgrading the characters to 4-B seems logical.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the input.

 

[The_Everlasting]

A feat being calculated to be of a particular level does not only make it that level. If that was the case Vegeta's Final Explosion would be Multi-City Block level or so.

Additionally, there's other scaling involving KOTR. That being how weaker summons (Bahamut Fury and Bahamut ZERO) have dimensions where their backgrounds have starry skies.

 

[Salavtore]

Considering that Sephy can use it more than once with entirely new planets too.

 

[Thebluedash]

The 4-A feat is rather inconsistent now that I think about it. Changing it back to 4-B should probably be fine.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, as I mentioned earlier, it seems like a massive stretch to automatically interpret this as several weak summons being able to create or destroy millions of star systems.

Sephiroth evidently used his full power against the party during the supernova attack, with a considerable specific scale quite apparently highlighted to see.

 

[Salavtore]

Maybe have seperate tiers for the characters? A tier with their summon materia and a tier by themselves maybe?

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Ant

Knights of the Round aren't "weak" summons. They're actualy canonically the second most powerful, the only stronger one being Zirconiade.

And Buu's Planet Burst was hyped to be so powerful Goku and Vegeta couldn't stop it, but despite that, the damage was only in the Small Star level range, despite it obviously holding more potency.

 

[Salavtore]

Certainly the one that hits the most and hardest.

 

[ThePerpetual]

Here's a rather important question, I'd think: is it proveable that these summons actually create the pocket dimension in question, or simply drag them into one that already exists? IIRC this is the same issue that came up in the Devil May Cry upgrade thread a while back, and we didn't count it then under what seem to be very similar circumstances.

 

[The_Everlasting]

They drag them into another (Or rather they create the dimension and then drag their enemy into it, I think), but KOTR destroys the one they use at the end of their attack.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I find it much more likely that the scale for TKOTR and the Bahamuts is enormously less than galactic in scope, and that the starry skies are there for visual appeal, rather than to be taken literally.

Hence, the realms in question are most likely local in size, with everything else to be taken as an optical illusion.

Also, how exactly were the Knights shown to destroy their pocket realm?

 

[Antvasima]

In addition, if the creators of Final Fantasy wanted to hype Sephiroth as a threat they would certainly have displayed his full scale of power. Final Fantasy is a considerably more intelligent franchise than Dragon Ball Z after all.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

This seems reasonable. I support the downgrade.