Final Fantasy V Revisions Part 1: Tiers and minor abilities

[Genericstickman]

Speaking of Gil he still needs resistance to Void Manipulation

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Actually, there was another Discussion between Everlasting and Blackcurrant. Gilgamesh scales from Seifer, whom Seifer only was only 4-A at the time scaling from Eden, not his end game Low 2-C stuff.

 

[Genericstickman]

Questionable bump?

 

[Xantospoc]

TBH, I don't even think NeoExdeath should scale to 2-A either.

He only planned to destroy all existance because (1) he wouldn't do it in one go and (2) and the concept of the Void being connected to infinite realities came much later

Also(3) I don't think if he should scale to 4-A Gilgamesh either, given that we don't know when Gilgamesh went 4-A (might have been even after his supposed death in V)

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

The Void is definately 2-A, but I do wonder if we should consider Exdeath and Enuo glass cannons. And this is also kept in all remakes which are canon.

 

[Xantospoc]

The void is likely Low 2-C, given it's what existed before the universe, but that's it.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

We already had a discussion confirming it's 2-A. It does outright say it destroys all existence, and the entire Final Fantasy Multiverse is 2-A structure. But I will have to ask Everlasting his thoughts on the possible Glass Cannon status of Exdeath or Enuo.

 

[Xantospoc]

By Dissidia onwards, yes, not back in FFV which I doubt was the original intention

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

It doesn't matter what the original intention was; Dissidia is still canon as are other spin offs within the Final Fantasy multiverse. The Void is still 2-A, plus some of the remakes made after it was already confirmed to be 2-A still say "All existence" and "All dimensions".

The Void is definitely still 2-A, it's just no one scales from it.

 

[Genericstickman]

Speaking of the Void, in Enuo's profile theirs a quote that states that the void has no past present or future, would that give Neo Exdeath and Void Enuo some sort of Acausality?

 

[TartaChocholate]

If ExDeath and Enuo were glass cannons what it would translate into?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

@Tarta, depends. Would still have 2-A AP with the void, but and would still be far superior to a transformed Gilgamesh. Omega and Shinryu might get upgraded to 2-C or at least Low 2-C at some point, but unsure if it was agreed to scale them to Bartz if that's the case. But would scale to base Exdeath if that is the case.

Basically, The Void >>>>>>> Omega and Shinryu > Base Enuo > Base Exdeath => Bartz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Transformed Gilgamesh.

 

[Genericstickman]

Is their evidence for them being glass canons besides being harmed by Butz and the crew?

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Of course not. But hey, whatever fits the ridiculous headcanon.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

That was only one optional suggestion; Everlasting hasn't responded to it. But the fact of the matter is that Bartz and the others don't scale from the Void because the fight was PIS.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Which is headcanon you made up.

 

[Genericstickman]

Didn't they struggle with tree Exdeath because of the void rather then strength?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Except I haven't, it came from Everlasting and Reppuzan, not me. And you need to stop being so rude and obnoxious @ZephyrosOmega. And again, it was stated by an NPC in the Phantom village that what happened was that the Void turned on Enuo, not that the 12 Legendary weapons were even remotely close to the Void's power.

@Genericsitckman, Base Exdeath didn't fully control the Void and even a fraction of the Void's power literally stomped the party.

 

[Genericstickman]

So will Part 2 happen?

 

[PaChi2]

I dont enjoy the 3-A base upgrade.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

3-A just comes from a randomly weird middle; it only makes to assume planets or universes; and which universes would literally mean Timelines in FF. But as Everlasting said, it just refers to the planets given they travel via a meteor.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

i don't care to argue with this anymore. thread can be closed. I'll make a CRT for abilities later.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Okay