Fate Universe: Buffing the Servants

[ZephyrosOmega]

Except mountain busting Is their cap
Every single 7A feat in the series isn't even close to casual, they're either using up almost all their mana, are physically drained afterwards, or they don't even pull it at all.

Thr absolute bare minimum to support this would be to say that feats below it are a casual

Not a single one is.

It's almost as if Grand Order is a separate timeline with vastly different feats and we shouldn't use the anime to judge it

 

[Ciruno_Fortes]

It's recommendable to not sass.

Either way much more support and analysis would be needed for Grand Order feats since they're using the same Servants in a sense.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Scaling every Servant to Tier 5 - 4 stuff is stupid as hell. The moment I knew we were stopping with the downplay of "No one is actually 5-B" I knew this would happen.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Also the scaling reason is assenine. That's like saying that every MCU Hero is High 6-B because they all showed up during the final battle against Thanos in Endgame.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Welp, "Stupid as Hell" and "Asinine".

I can see that attempting to make anyone on this site see any sense about fate was a waste of time.

 

[Schnee_One]

Or maybe it's just the way you decide to literally talk due to every single person who even bothers to disagree with you that people are annoyed by your actions.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

^Basically this, i also really iffy about this one comparing to the Kama thread

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Just following this thread for now... There is too much heat right now to debate anything until it simmers down.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Well, to be fair, this should be NP upgrade thread than AP upgrade in general. Most of this that look like legit comes from NPs after all. And we don't scale those to their APs.

Didn't we already agreed on High 6-A Pashupata and just don't scale it to anything else?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Yeah, this more to NP upgrade for what i look (but most of them are really doubtful expect Pashupata)

If we want to buff the AP again we can look to the statement of Caladbolg who destroying the island in Agartha comparable to Caladbolg II who are deflected by Herc

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I can be more down if we are just upgrading NP, but I am still weary

 

[Schnee_One]

NPs I geniuenely don't mind upgrading as long as there are enough supporting feats

Speed and AP I'm against.

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Skimming the ones that are iffy, I have better suggestion.

Tesla's System Keraunos should be: High 7-A with normal System Keraunos, 6-A with full-powered System Keraunos.

Arjuna's Pashupata should be: High 6-A with Pashupata.

That's it. Though I don't know about speed.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I believe Ia make a separate thread about the speed

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The problem is wanting every character's base attacks to scale simply because every servant participated in a battle against a Beast.

 

[Schnee_One]

Which I have gone against

NP scaling is still a geniuenely warranted upgrade

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I also have issue with that

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It's blatantly wrong.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

I agree that Noble Phantasms should be upgraded, they look pretty legit.

Speed and AP, as everyone else has said, has all been debunked before.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes]

Strong issue and disagreeing with that

 

[ShinyMagicalGirl]

I think you guys are missing the point

He was trying to upgrade the Servants who fought the Demon Pillars, not the Beast Goetia. Obviously everyone can't just scale to Low 2-C.

And he claims that the Demon Pillars have 5-B feats via the Singularities. Which kinda makes sense since when you destroy or take a Holy Grail, the Singularity along with the Demon Pillar collapses; and we know in Camelot that Singularities can be big enough to contain a sun; kinda like Iskandar's NP or stuff.

Also honestly I don't see issue with the speed being maybe at least SoL, but it's your call. Not like I call the shots in terms of Fate stats, anyways.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

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m just reading over and https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon#cite_note-Berserkermatrix-1 i don't see in that matrix where it states dragons can bust a country, and i also don't see the word country mentioned on Beowulfs matrix on the N/A version of F/GO, and i have him...

The Holy Grail has feats though in grand order. The Holy Grail by Da Vanci makes itself out to appear to have a mind of its by because it allocates only so much mana to a single being. So i wouldn't say its to far fetched that Cu Alter is planet level, but its an unquantifiable amp.

The calc of Arjune will need to be verified[http:// https://www.narutoforums.org/threads/type-moon-nasuverse-tier-list.911658/page-139#post-58787286 https://www.narutoforums.org/threads/type-moon-nasuverse-tier-list.911658/page-139#post-58787286]

The gwain feat seems plausible, but he isn't controlling the sun. I wouldn't say its something that translates into Attack Potency.

Atlas having planet level tech is fairly known, but we don't know whom it scales too.

The calc of ishtar would need to be checked by calc members, and there was a downgrade on Ishtar because it was agreed that she was shooting the "concept of venus" and not the literal planet. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...eder/Fate/Grand_Order_-_Ishtar_Fires_an_Arrow I recommend you get your calc checked by calc members for quetz, but i agree her tier should be higher, and i have my thoughts on to where.

The asteriod was calc'ed and resolved on a different thread.

The Demon Pillars do have a moon level feat. they are capable of stopping the planets rotation which has a calc that yeilds moon level energy, but it wouldn't scale to every servant they fought. Some servants were only there to be a support, and not combat applicable. Others had to use their final ascensions which is their ultimate form, or point of origin, their strongest form. Some characters didnt' need even that such as gilgamesh, and scathach.

There is anti-feats for the speed tiering, and there is a standard that must be met for things to be considered at least the speed of ligh t."

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[ShinyMagicalGirl]

I know that. I was just correcting Matt since he thought the OP wanted to scale literally every servant to Goetia, but the OP said they scale to the Pillars.

But hmm, if Gilgamesh and Scathach are that strong, can't they scale to the Moon/Planet thing of the Holy Grails? Just wondering.

Because that would buff most servants who are comparable to Base Gilgamesh, but eh.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I mean there is Extella Link who maybe giving us good feat but again, no translation or summary

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Isn't that game on steam or am I thinking of a different game?

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Isn't that game on steam or am I thinking of a different game?

its on PS4 i only know that much, and i know extella is on steam too iirc... but imo, its hard to tier people onthere..

 

[Ciruno_Fortes]

There's like 2 games of Fate on Steam. And that includes Extella Link actually. And I have both lol

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I may have to take one for the team and get it if we really don't have proper access to it otherwise

 

[John985]

I only have extella umbral star and I dont see much of a feat on the game.

 

[AguilaR101]

>Gawain can Summon the Sun (4-C)

Why would you assume he is dragging the sun instead of forcefully rotating earth instead? Not that I think there is enough evidence for that either.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes]

@Aguilar

Far from it. The moment you get far enough from Gawain, there's no more sun. On the literal outskirts of the kingdom and then that's it. No more suns.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I only have extella umbral star and I dont see much of a feat on the game.

I said Extella Link, but yeah the first game doesn't have much good feat, only Nero wank

 

[DMB_1]

I mean there is Extella Link who maybe giving us good feat but again, no translation or summary

Played all of Extella Link, and there's not much in it, other than Pashupata creating a hole in the clouds in the sky and maybe an outlier feat.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

What was the outlier feat?

 

[DMB_1]

Karna was fully charged with mana and used Vasavi Shakti.

Initially, Charlie used Joyeuse Odre (his Noble Phantasm), so the two entered a beam lock and they were almost even, but Charlie lost.

Afterwise, Karan used Vasavi Shakti again, but this time Arjuna used Pashupata (and no, neither Arjuna nor Charlie were amped) and this time, the two Noble Phatnasmclashed and exploded since they had the same power, killing both Karna and Arjuna.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Is Charlie's NP notably powerful?

Perhaps we could do a key for Arjuna within Fate/Extra? Or, it could be hax based perhaps

 

[DMB_1]

I'll have to re-check, but I'm sure it's not an A++ NP like Karna's, nor described as world-ending or something, and nor was Charlie amped by his Holy Skills since Karna isn't a cursed or demonic entity.

Here's the clip btw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSpk_Cn0e-8