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Well, this has been a long time coming. To make things as concise as possible: City and Mountain Level Servants is unreasonably low. And here is where I'm gonna prove why.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...e/Grand_Order:_Because_Gachas_Give_Good_Feats Here is my User Blog where this comes from. Fate/Stay Night. Fate/Zero. Fate/Apocrypha. Type-MOON. Tsukihime. And far more. Collectively known as the Nasuverse, this is one of the most well-put-together anime universes, and certainly one of the most expansive.
Unfortunately, it's also prone to painful amounts of that lovely word we here at VS Battles Wiki love the most: Outliers. Outliers based on the cosmology, top-tier statements, and lots of disregard for pretty blatant feats of far higher scale than 4-B. Seriously, there's so much stuff in this verse that 4-B is a funny joke at this point, which people are at least now starting to get with upgrades. So I'm gonna show it all off to y'all.
So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna make a few blogs to upgrade this verse, starting with normal servants.
Top Tiers: The 4-B Conundrum
I actually don't think I have to touch on this too much, since looking at how this thread is going, people are gonna start getting upgraded to 3-A/Low 2-C before too, too much longer. But I'll go ahead and touch on it anyway.
Basically, some people believe that Fate top tiers peak at 4-B because Saver can manipulate Solar Systems and stuff. But that was never implied to be a ceiling to his power, just a bare minimum. Even if it was, it would be a massive outlier considering all the far better feats across varying media, most notably Fate/Extra and Fate/Grand Order, much of which are now starting to be accepted.
Fate/Grand Order: Because Gacha Games are Important Too.
Before anything else, we've gotta make some things clear about how this game's story works. To make a convoluted story short, the game is about solving Singularities, messed up timelines that are gonna lead to the destruction of the earth. These Singularities are caused by 7 Holy Grails that the villain of the series placed. This essentially means that Holy Grails can create singularities of varying sizes. The largest couple of them is the Fifth Singularity, which is the entirety of North America, and the Final Singularity, which is the Planet. A 6-A and 5-B feat, if I ever saw one.
Another thing to mention are Demon God Pillars, which make up several bosses of the game. Demon God Pillars power the Holy Grails of Goetia, which can create singularities as large of continents, and even as Earth itself.
Before I start listing off the feats, something I'd like to make note of is that, yes, the feats shown in Fate/Grand Order far outclass the feats shown in the main series of Fate/Stay Night, Fate/Zero, Fate/Apocrypha, etc. As such, I'd like to propose that servants who appear in one of those anime, as well as Fate/GO, should get an extra key specifically for Fate/GO.
Without further ado, let's get into the feats.
Direct Servant Feats (AP)
Dragons can destroy Countries (6-B)
Pretty simple, really. It's directly stated that Dragons can destroy countries. You'll find this to be a recurring theme.
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon#cite_note-Berserkermatrix-1
Dragons can cause Space-Time Collapses by existing (Unknown)
I guess this is a nice feat of Hax. I thought I'd mention it.
Cu is a Planet-Buster (5-B)
Scathach flat out says that Cu Alter has the power to destroy the world. Flowery statement? Not really, since he is empowered by the Holy Grail of Goetia, and those Grails can create entire Singularities, which can be Country to even Planet sized.
Tesla can blow up Continents (6-A)
Pretty simple. Tesla states that at full power, he could blow up the continent, referring to North America in this instance, being the place where the singularity occurs.
Pashupata destroys some Pillars (High 6-A)
I shouldn't really have to explain too much here. Basically, Arjuna wrecks a bunch of pillars, leaving nothing where they stood just moments before. Should be pretty simple. Here's the calc: https://www.narutoforums.org/threads/type-moon-nasuverse-tier-list.911658/page-139#post-58787286
Gawain can Summon the Sun (4-C)
Gawain's Noble Phantasm lets him summon the sun at any time of day, including nighttime (timestamp is at 1:06:27). The sun pretty much instantly rises, which given that we have no FTL KE I think means it's a baseline 4-C feat.
Dendera Light Bulb Power (6-B)
I'm not gonna go much into this one. This is already used and on Ozymandias' page, but it's not the only feat by any means.
Atlas has Planet Level Tech (5-B)
Another simple feat.
Ishtar Fires an Arrow (Low 5-B)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...eder/Fate/Grand_Order_-_Ishtar_Fires_an_Arrow
Vaporizing the Persian Gulf (6-B)
Quetzalcoatl, after being summoned, vaporizes the Persian Gulf, which at the time is made of Mud and not Water. My calc for this actually assumed water at the time, and I didn't realize it was actually mud, which would make the feat higher. Note: This was after Quetzalcoatl was weakened and her divinity was lost, so it's not a cap that Servants can't scale to. You can see my calc on the matter here.
Planet Busting Asteroid (5-B)
The Demon Tower's plan in this singularity is to summon a meteor that will destroy the planet. The servants defeat the Demon Pillar of this singularity. Emiya Alter's Unlimited Lost Works literally fragments the planet-busting asteroid, while Artoria Alter proceeds to use her Excalibur Morgan to vaporize the fragmented asteroid pieces, of which each could still bust Shinjuku. Pokemon VS. Fate when ovo
It is eventually revealed that this Shinjuku is a Singularity that is completely separated from human history, so even if Ritsuka saves it, nothing will change in terms of "proper human history". This is the reason why Shinjuku and the planet itself can be destroyed by an asteroid, aptly named Bennu. Oh, and this also means that the Holy Grails are indeed making entire planets for Singularities.
Why Everyone Scales
Well that's because literally every Servant you've ever met join you to fight an endless army of Demon God Pillars. Sooooo... yeah.
Normal Servant Feats (Speed)
Altera Uses Light
Atilla the Hun is stated to use photons as a weapon. Pretty simple.
Iskandar Dodges Excalibur
Here's a calc for Iskandar dodging Excalibur, as well as various statements of it being light.
Archimedes Reflects Light off Mirrors
Archimedes attacks by reflecting light off mirrors.
Relativistic Servant Fight
Saber and Lancer's fight was stated to near the speed of light.
Gae Bolg is FTL
Iskandar states that Gae Bolg is Faster than Light after dodging it. What is it with this guy and dodging light attacks, jeez
Ishtar Yeets Venus
The calc is already linked to up there in the Small Planet feat.
Chiron's Antares Snipe
Chiron summons a beam from Sagittarius to Earth. I don't remember if this was also in Apocrypha or not.
https://pastebin.com/q9DjGhV2
Mysterious Heroine X Escapes the Galaxy
Mysterious Heroine X flies out of the galaxy in like 10 frames. Basically, that's how it goes.
Edmond Dantes Escapes Time and Space
Edmond Dantes, as the fastest servant, can run and move through time and space. he's the only one that would get this, but I think this is Immeasurable speed via his noble phantasm. This is already accepted on his page, so it's fine.
Various other FTL Feats
https://www.narutoforums.org/threads/type-moon-nasuverse-tier-list.911658/page-164#post-59360481 Here's a link to a crapton of them.
IN CONCLUSION...
All heroic spirits that appear in the Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Apocrypha timelines, as well as Fate/Grand Order, are given two keys: One is their key from the respective VN/Anime, typically being from 7-B to 7-A. The other is from their Fate/Grand Order key, being 6-B to 5-B, just depending on what gets accepted.
Servants being Tier 6 to Tier 5 is consistent, legitimate and explainable, as is FTL+ Combat Speed and Reactions for the main anime and MFTL Combat Speed and Reactions for Fate/GO.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...e/Grand_Order:_Because_Gachas_Give_Good_Feats Here is my User Blog where this comes from. Fate/Stay Night. Fate/Zero. Fate/Apocrypha. Type-MOON. Tsukihime. And far more. Collectively known as the Nasuverse, this is one of the most well-put-together anime universes, and certainly one of the most expansive.
Unfortunately, it's also prone to painful amounts of that lovely word we here at VS Battles Wiki love the most: Outliers. Outliers based on the cosmology, top-tier statements, and lots of disregard for pretty blatant feats of far higher scale than 4-B. Seriously, there's so much stuff in this verse that 4-B is a funny joke at this point, which people are at least now starting to get with upgrades. So I'm gonna show it all off to y'all.
So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna make a few blogs to upgrade this verse, starting with normal servants.
Top Tiers: The 4-B Conundrum
I actually don't think I have to touch on this too much, since looking at how this thread is going, people are gonna start getting upgraded to 3-A/Low 2-C before too, too much longer. But I'll go ahead and touch on it anyway.
Basically, some people believe that Fate top tiers peak at 4-B because Saver can manipulate Solar Systems and stuff. But that was never implied to be a ceiling to his power, just a bare minimum. Even if it was, it would be a massive outlier considering all the far better feats across varying media, most notably Fate/Extra and Fate/Grand Order, much of which are now starting to be accepted.
Fate/Grand Order: Because Gacha Games are Important Too.
Before anything else, we've gotta make some things clear about how this game's story works. To make a convoluted story short, the game is about solving Singularities, messed up timelines that are gonna lead to the destruction of the earth. These Singularities are caused by 7 Holy Grails that the villain of the series placed. This essentially means that Holy Grails can create singularities of varying sizes. The largest couple of them is the Fifth Singularity, which is the entirety of North America, and the Final Singularity, which is the Planet. A 6-A and 5-B feat, if I ever saw one.
Another thing to mention are Demon God Pillars, which make up several bosses of the game. Demon God Pillars power the Holy Grails of Goetia, which can create singularities as large of continents, and even as Earth itself.
Before I start listing off the feats, something I'd like to make note of is that, yes, the feats shown in Fate/Grand Order far outclass the feats shown in the main series of Fate/Stay Night, Fate/Zero, Fate/Apocrypha, etc. As such, I'd like to propose that servants who appear in one of those anime, as well as Fate/GO, should get an extra key specifically for Fate/GO.
Without further ado, let's get into the feats.
Direct Servant Feats (AP)
Dragons can destroy Countries (6-B)
Pretty simple, really. It's directly stated that Dragons can destroy countries. You'll find this to be a recurring theme.
https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon#cite_note-Berserkermatrix-1
Dragons can cause Space-Time Collapses by existing (Unknown)
I guess this is a nice feat of Hax. I thought I'd mention it.
Cu is a Planet-Buster (5-B)
Scathach flat out says that Cu Alter has the power to destroy the world. Flowery statement? Not really, since he is empowered by the Holy Grail of Goetia, and those Grails can create entire Singularities, which can be Country to even Planet sized.
Tesla can blow up Continents (6-A)
Pretty simple. Tesla states that at full power, he could blow up the continent, referring to North America in this instance, being the place where the singularity occurs.
Pashupata destroys some Pillars (High 6-A)
I shouldn't really have to explain too much here. Basically, Arjuna wrecks a bunch of pillars, leaving nothing where they stood just moments before. Should be pretty simple. Here's the calc: https://www.narutoforums.org/threads/type-moon-nasuverse-tier-list.911658/page-139#post-58787286
Gawain can Summon the Sun (4-C)
Gawain's Noble Phantasm lets him summon the sun at any time of day, including nighttime (timestamp is at 1:06:27). The sun pretty much instantly rises, which given that we have no FTL KE I think means it's a baseline 4-C feat.
Dendera Light Bulb Power (6-B)
I'm not gonna go much into this one. This is already used and on Ozymandias' page, but it's not the only feat by any means.
Atlas has Planet Level Tech (5-B)
Another simple feat.
Ishtar Fires an Arrow (Low 5-B)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...eder/Fate/Grand_Order_-_Ishtar_Fires_an_Arrow
Vaporizing the Persian Gulf (6-B)
Quetzalcoatl, after being summoned, vaporizes the Persian Gulf, which at the time is made of Mud and not Water. My calc for this actually assumed water at the time, and I didn't realize it was actually mud, which would make the feat higher. Note: This was after Quetzalcoatl was weakened and her divinity was lost, so it's not a cap that Servants can't scale to. You can see my calc on the matter here.
Planet Busting Asteroid (5-B)
The Demon Tower's plan in this singularity is to summon a meteor that will destroy the planet. The servants defeat the Demon Pillar of this singularity. Emiya Alter's Unlimited Lost Works literally fragments the planet-busting asteroid, while Artoria Alter proceeds to use her Excalibur Morgan to vaporize the fragmented asteroid pieces, of which each could still bust Shinjuku. Pokemon VS. Fate when ovo
It is eventually revealed that this Shinjuku is a Singularity that is completely separated from human history, so even if Ritsuka saves it, nothing will change in terms of "proper human history". This is the reason why Shinjuku and the planet itself can be destroyed by an asteroid, aptly named Bennu. Oh, and this also means that the Holy Grails are indeed making entire planets for Singularities.
Why Everyone Scales
Well that's because literally every Servant you've ever met join you to fight an endless army of Demon God Pillars. Sooooo... yeah.
Normal Servant Feats (Speed)
Altera Uses Light
Atilla the Hun is stated to use photons as a weapon. Pretty simple.
Iskandar Dodges Excalibur
Here's a calc for Iskandar dodging Excalibur, as well as various statements of it being light.
Archimedes Reflects Light off Mirrors
Archimedes attacks by reflecting light off mirrors.
Relativistic Servant Fight
Saber and Lancer's fight was stated to near the speed of light.
Gae Bolg is FTL
Iskandar states that Gae Bolg is Faster than Light after dodging it. What is it with this guy and dodging light attacks, jeez
Ishtar Yeets Venus
The calc is already linked to up there in the Small Planet feat.
Chiron's Antares Snipe
Chiron summons a beam from Sagittarius to Earth. I don't remember if this was also in Apocrypha or not.
https://pastebin.com/q9DjGhV2
Mysterious Heroine X Escapes the Galaxy
Mysterious Heroine X flies out of the galaxy in like 10 frames. Basically, that's how it goes.
Edmond Dantes Escapes Time and Space
Edmond Dantes, as the fastest servant, can run and move through time and space. he's the only one that would get this, but I think this is Immeasurable speed via his noble phantasm. This is already accepted on his page, so it's fine.
Various other FTL Feats
https://www.narutoforums.org/threads/type-moon-nasuverse-tier-list.911658/page-164#post-59360481 Here's a link to a crapton of them.
IN CONCLUSION...
All heroic spirits that appear in the Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Apocrypha timelines, as well as Fate/Grand Order, are given two keys: One is their key from the respective VN/Anime, typically being from 7-B to 7-A. The other is from their Fate/Grand Order key, being 6-B to 5-B, just depending on what gets accepted.
Servants being Tier 6 to Tier 5 is consistent, legitimate and explainable, as is FTL+ Combat Speed and Reactions for the main anime and MFTL Combat Speed and Reactions for Fate/GO.
