Fairy Tail Speed Revision (X791)

[PrinceC7]

In the Tartaros arc, Sting and Rogue battle the underworld king Mard Geer. During this battle, Sting uses his white dragon roar which Mard Geer easily deflects. However, it has been earlier stated to be a laser. I believe that Mard Geer and whoever scales to him in combat should be scaled at least Relativistic and at the High-End FTL

 

[CloverDragon03]

We don’t treat Natsu calling Sting’s roar a laser as nearly enough evidence for it to be real light. It fails to meet a bunch of other criteria

 

[PrinceC7]

We don’t treat Natsu calling Sting’s roar a laser as nearly enough evidence for it to be real light. It fails to meet a bunch of other criteria

Like what?

 

[Deceived3596]

Here's the "Light Speed Criteria", lets see if Sting's "Laser" falls under any of the needed aspects to prove Light-Speed.

• The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or...
• The beam diffuses in a reasonably realistic way or reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror.
• The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources.
• It is stated to be composed/consisting of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source.
• It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera.

1: Sting's "Laser" has never refracted off of anything within the series so he doesn't fall under that aspect of the criteria.

2: Sting's "Laser" diffuses through explosions, which is inherently antithetical to what light actually is given Light doesn't have Mass behind it to create KE (I.E Explosions)

3: Sting's "Laser" is never stated to move at the Speed of Light by anyone within the series, much less by reliable sources.

4: Sting's "Laser" is never stated to be comprised of Photons or is "Light" itself, its actually implied the opposite since Sting doesn't consume/create "Light" but rather he consumes/creates "White" as the "White" Dragon Slayer so his attacks are strongly implied to be not comprised of Photons nor are "Light" itself given those statements.

5: Sting's "Laser" doesn't come from a "realistic source of light" since his magic isn't a realistic source of light as i explained previously.

So Sting's "Laser" doesn't fall under any of the categories to prove its Light-Speed, Now let us go onto the other aspect of this Criteria which is used as a guideline to prove if the supposed thing being argued for Light-Speed isn't actually Light-Speed.

• It is shown at different speeds in the same material.
• It is tangible and can be interacted with physically by normal humans.
• They do not travel in straight lines (unless you can prove refraction/reflection, see above.)

1: Sting's "Laser" is entirely depending on the level/strength of his magic and he has never faced anyone who possessed refractable material before like Glass or Water so the first part of this criteria doesn't pertain to Sting's "Laser".

2: Sting's "Laser" can be interacted by Mard Geer but Mard Geer isn't a normal human so this doesn't prove nor disprove your assertion.

3: Sting's "Laser" don't always travel in a straight line, It can bend and curve through Sting moving his neck/head in a vertical or horizontal direction so this is another knock against Sting's "Laser" being actual Light-Speed.

So going through all of the quantification's you need to mostly have, Sting's "Laser" doesn't fall under any so i vehemently disagree with Sting's "Laser" moving at the speed of Light and Mard Geer being FTL because of it.

 

[BlackeJan]

Let’s not forget how it explodes in the anime which already exempts it from being a laser

 

[CloverDragon03]

Let’s not forget how it explodes in the anime which already exempts it from being a laser

Bad example because it's anime-only and exploding doesn't inherently disqualify it from being a laser if it can prove the other things (albeit, it doesn't)

 

[KingTempest]

40% of lasers on this wiki that we accept as LS explode

 

[BlackeJan]

40% of lasers on this wiki that we accept as LS explode

Do they also show times when it doesn’t explode? or holds a lot of qualifications? because if so then yeah makes perfect sense why it should be as such but sting lasers are shown to just explode and iirc it curves too

Bad example because it's anime-only and exploding doesn't inherently disqualify it from being a laser if it can prove the other things (albeit, it doesn't)

FT’s anime and manga follows the same path. Wouldn’t make sense how just cause it doesn’t do something from the manga that it can’t be such since ofc its nothing but images while the anime can actually show what it wants

 

[KingTempest]

Do they also show times when it doesn’t explode? or holds a lot of qualifications? because if so then yeah makes perfect sense why it should be as such but sting lasers are shown to just explode and iirc it curves too

Barely for the first, yes for the 2nd

But yeah, Stings don't follow enough criteria. In fact, they don't follow any criteria

 

[Theendzero13]

and then you have haku.....

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Here's the "Light Speed Criteria", lets see if Sting's "Laser" falls under any of the needed aspects to prove Light-Speed.

• The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or...
• The beam diffuses in a reasonably realistic way or reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror.
• The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources.
• It is stated to be composed/consisting of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source.
• It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera.

1: Sting's "Laser" has never refracted off of anything within the series so he doesn't fall under that aspect of the criteria.

2: Sting's "Laser" diffuses through explosions, which is inherently antithetical to what light actually is given Light doesn't have Mass behind it to create KE (I.E Explosions)

3: Sting's "Laser" is never stated to move at the Speed of Light by anyone within the series, much less by reliable sources.

4: Sting's "Laser" is never stated to be comprised of Photons or is "Light" itself, its actually implied the opposite since Sting doesn't consume/create "Light" but rather he consumes/creates "White" as the "White" Dragon Slayer so his attacks are strongly implied to be not comprised of Photons nor are "Light" itself given those statements.

5: Sting's "Laser" doesn't come from a "realistic source of light" since his magic isn't a realistic source of light as i explained previously.

So Sting's "Laser" doesn't fall under any of the categories to prove its Light-Speed, Now let us go onto the other aspect of this Criteria which is used as a guideline to prove if the supposed thing being argued for Light-Speed isn't actually Light-Speed.

• It is shown at different speeds in the same material.
• It is tangible and can be interacted with physically by normal humans.
• They do not travel in straight lines (unless you can prove refraction/reflection, see above.)

1: Sting's "Laser" is entirely depending on the level/strength of his magic and he has never faced anyone who possessed refractable material before like Glass or Water so the first part of this criteria doesn't pertain to Sting's "Laser".

2: Sting's "Laser" can be interacted by Mard Geer but Mard Geer isn't a normal human so this doesn't prove nor disprove your assertion.

3: Sting's "Laser" don't always travel in a straight line, It can bend and curve through Sting moving his neck/head in a vertical or horizontal direction so this is another knock against Sting's "Laser" being actual Light-Speed.

So going through all of the quantification's you need to mostly have, Sting's "Laser" doesn't fall under any so i vehemently disagree with Sting's "Laser" moving at the speed of Light and Mard Geer being FTL because of it.

The exploding thing doesn’t matter as much, but this is a perfect disection of why we don’t consider Sting’s Roar to be Light Speed

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Something that would be light speed to FTL is the CSK's Galaxia Blade

 

[CNBA3]

In the Tartaros arc, Sting and Rogue battle the underworld king Mard Geer. During this battle, Sting uses his white dragon roar which Mard Geer easily deflects. However, it has been earlier stated to be a laser. I believe that Mard Geer and whoever scales to him in combat should be scaled at least Relativistic and at the High-End FTL

I agree it would meet the criteria of most for it to be considered real light.

 

[CNBA3]

Something that would be light speed to FTL is the CSK's Galaxia Blade

Don’t forget Jella calling down starlight for Grand Chariot

 

[CNBA3]

Here's the "Light Speed Criteria", lets see if Sting's "Laser" falls under any of the needed aspects to prove Light-Speed.

• The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or...
• The beam diffuses in a reasonably realistic way or reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror.
• The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources.
• It is stated to be composed/consisting of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source.
• It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera.

1: Sting's "Laser" has never refracted off of anything within the series so he doesn't fall under that aspect of the criteria.

2: Sting's "Laser" diffuses through explosions, which is inherently antithetical to what light actually is given Light doesn't have Mass behind it to create KE (I.E Explosions)

3: Sting's "Laser" is never stated to move at the Speed of Light by anyone within the series, much less by reliable sources.

4: Sting's "Laser" is never stated to be comprised of Photons or is "Light" itself, its actually implied the opposite since Sting doesn't consume/create "Light" but rather he consumes/creates "White" as the "White" Dragon Slayer so his attacks are strongly implied to be not comprised of Photons nor are "Light" itself given those statements.

5: Sting's "Laser" doesn't come from a "realistic source of light" since his magic isn't a realistic source of light as i explained previously.

So Sting's "Laser" doesn't fall under any of the categories to prove its Light-Speed, Now let us go onto the other aspect of this Criteria which is used as a guideline to prove if the supposed thing being argued for Light-Speed isn't actually Light-Speed.

• It is shown at different speeds in the same material.
• It is tangible and can be interacted with physically by normal humans.
• They do not travel in straight lines (unless you can prove refraction/reflection, see above.)

1: Sting's "Laser" is entirely depending on the level/strength of his magic and he has never faced anyone who possessed refractable material before like Glass or Water so the first part of this criteria doesn't pertain to Sting's "Laser".

2: Sting's "Laser" can be interacted by Mard Geer but Mard Geer isn't a normal human so this doesn't prove nor disprove your assertion.

3: Sting's "Laser" don't always travel in a straight line, It can bend and curve through Sting moving his neck/head in a vertical or horizontal direction so this is another knock against Sting's "Laser" being actual Light-Speed.

So going through all of the quantification's you need to mostly have, Sting's "Laser" doesn't fall under any so i vehemently disagree with Sting's "Laser" moving at the speed of Light and Mard Geer being FTL because of it.

few things, his magic is stated to be and comparable to light magic which other magics with light have refracted before Such as blades or ice. Plus those are not really explosions like Kizaru's are which have light energy bursting, it is more sand and stone kicking up from the momentum and energy. and in the link below he states that he consumes both white and light which he makes the distinction between the two, Ethernanos are comprised of all types of elements so Light would be among them, and technically humans can emit light in very small quantities though but still light via infrared. this one is iffy but Erza's Morning Star Armor has an attack which is called Photon Slicer, which would mean that her armor which emits light would have photons as light magic. Mard did not physically touched the laser as he has telekinetic powers so he likely curved it with non physical power’s, otherwise it would show, that can be interpreted as artistic Style as we see swords in FT curve when swung in a similar fashion or that the atmosphere possesses all sorts of refractive materials that would cause gradient refractive index.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Sting's "Laser" diffuses through explosions, which is inherently antithetical to what light actually is given Light doesn't have Mass behind it to create KE (I.E Explosions)

Photonic lasers actually can cause explosions but whtv

 

[Deceived3596]

Photonic lasers actually can cause explosions but whtv

Yeah through nuclear fusion, which is something Sting's Laser doesn't create.

Thoroughly read the context of that point again. That's what i meant if i didn't convey it properly.

I'll address CNBA3's stuff later.