Juvia has shown to care for others beyond Gray as early as the Battle of Fairy Tail Arc when she willingly got severely injured by attacking Laxus's Thunder Palace so she wouldn't have to fight Cana
It does yes but I'm just saying you can list every single former villian. Their development is easier to show. These characters always stand out more than good characters with good development because going from evil to good is always the strongest by default. This is why Octavia from the 100 is my favorite case of development because it goes from innocence, to warrior, to bloodthirsty dictator, to coming back to her warrior but not evil self instead of fully going back to innocence. Cause I like the concept of somewhat broken not able to fully go back
Yeah, that's currently used to scale Base Natsu far above the likes of Suzaku and Georg Raizen
Not necessarily, but regardless being commonly called a flat character for a variety of reasons by a variety of people to the point that you’re one of the first reasons people list for dropping or not liking a series does not a deep or truly likeable character make.
I don’t think I ever really said, nor is anyone here denying that something happen, but like that something isn’t deep enough for you to try to point it out, in comparison to say Lucy finding a place for where she belongs after years of neglect and in turn finding her own power and worth, Mirajane literally losing her powers after she sees her sister “die”, feeling worthless and weak because of her loss of power, and then gaining it back to prevent another loss in her family, Laxus going from wanting to basically destroy the guild to fighting for his family [and even a little moment in 100 year quest that has him acknowledging Lucy’s power when his on screen appearance was him claiming she was weak] or Cana accepting that she doesn’t have to be S class to tell her father the truth about her identity, like Natsu never really has a real moment like this, and the only time I can think that he is, was like across the span of like 3 chapters, and after the arc isn’t never real highlighted again.
Such a good lesson only for it to only really be acknowledged once afterwards and ever brought up again.
That is almost certainly an outlier. If base natsu was strong enough to fight Viernes then why bother with the buffed dragon force.
Make a crt then lol
I didn’t call their post dragged out think pieces, I was saying I expected to come back to some Natsu’s character development analysis that drew on a bunch of minute details that make him seem more than what he is, neither of them posted that.
I do think I dropped the ball a bit on describing their character arcs but the general point still stands, you can’t be shocked people don’t like Natsu much if at all when he’s in a series surronded by characters like Laxus that have a clear and enjoyable A to B progression
When he clashed with Viernes, it means he scales above the likes of Suzaku and Georg. That is pretty high in base form. But definitely not stronger than Dragon Force.
You deemed any possible counter arguements as dragged out think pieces and making 'Natsu more than he is'. So you've just shown your not willing to hear any disagreements because you've already wrapped them up tight in a nice little box and will frame anything anyone says so that it fits in said box.
I have not, based on what I know about the character I don’t see what else they could elaborate on, and what I do see would need to be extrapolated for them to make the point of him being as dynamic and depth having as the rest of the cast.
Using the term 'dragged out hit piece' has pretty blatant implications/connotations as to how you'd view push back, play coy all you want your phrasing speaks for itself. You said it yourself, no had yet to directly respond to you, so you made a pre-emptive assertion on points you had yet to hear as 'people making Natsu more than he is'. I cannot spell it out any clearer how reductive that is.
I said I expected to come back to one and was shocked to see no one had posted one, I never said that any retort to my post would be therefore be a drawn out think piece, that’s something you assumed.
I do agree. Natsu back at the beginning only cared about winning and losing a fight. But from Alvarez onward, he completely changed about fighting to continue living, not to win. Like even put aside his fight with Suzaku to stop Ignia at the Labyrinth.
And we love you for it
To be fair, Natsu actually didn’t even want to borrow power from his friends, he was confident he could take Viernes by himself and he was doing fairly well in that regard. I’m not saying he directly scales, but he’s definitely not miles behind the Dragon Gods.
He constantly holds back because Dragon Force burns through a lot of power and usually is for well… Killing. Basically Natsu has only ever whipped out Dragon Force from X792 onwards if he’s ready to kill. He tried to kill Zeref, did kill Aldoron, and did kill Viernes. If the fight with Suzaku continued, he probably would have whipped out stronger stuff, but it didn’t, so it’s fine. We can clearly see Natsu is still relative to Suzaku at this point with their performances against Dogramag. I mean Natsu tanked an attack that took out Human Selene
Meh most folks can't write for shit including myself
I don't think any version of Natsu would have prioritized Suzaku over Ignia and I think any version of him would protect Lucy as hard as he can. Gray part I don't disagree with not that i disagree with other points u said I just think any version of Natsu would have done those things. I wouldn't call 100yq a goofy job since it's about stopping a bunch of apocalyptic elemental Acnologias. I know they don't pose immediately danger but some of them genuinely wanted to just destroy everything
I don’t really see it like that at all though, he grew up with him and they are in the same guild, it’s not a conflict resolution for him to cry and beg him not to die it’s completely in character. We already saw him do the exact same thing for Erza in the first major arc in the series, he play fights with her or at least wants to fight with her, as much as he does with Gray, yet also was left in tears when he realized she was trying to sacrifice herself, that’s just how they are for each other it’s nothing new
I’d assume he does but my only problem with this is that it’s never really called out in the series, like we know why he’s so hellbent on helping rogue its brought up, but he’s never not looked out for Lucy so him caring more or being more protective of her isn’t really noticeable, especially when after this he leaves her for a couple years.
Yuji awesome honestly, and Natsu not really bad I just consider him flat in comparison to the rest of the cast, which isn’t really that insulting because I like the fairy tail cast a lot
disagree
if you make a natsu vs zeref vs match, zeref would win
Except, Natsu already beat Fairy Heart Zeref himself. So your point is invalid.
Natsu one-shotted FH Zeref twice and won. He beat him. Due to the majority of votes from Zeref supporters on this wiki, Zeref may win in a possible VST, but the truth does not change. Natsu betta
