Fairly Minor Touhou Ability Additions

[Diabul]

Nonexistent & Nondual Suika

Suika’s mist form is described as a borderless purity, something that Yukari cannot affect with her boundary manipulation. Boundaries are effectively the lines between any two things, including those of a conceptual nature such as life & death, master & slave, space & time, truth & falsehood, form & emptiness, existence & nonexistence [zero], and even nonexistence & void [imaginary number].

Nameless gods like Junko are already accepted to have Nonduality (Type 2) and Nonexistent Physiology (Nature 2, Aspect 2) for the same reasons listed above, so there actually isn't much to discuss here. Suika should also get the same ND and NEP for her mist form.


Suika could break into Miko's Senaki, which is a sealed and separated world as it's listed on Miko's profile. This gives Suika Sealing Negation and Dimensional Travel.

General Buff to Oni

PMiSS and the narrator of IaMP states that it’s absolutely impossible to destroy an oni, which should apply to Reimu Hakurei and Yukari Yakumo who were present in both works. This should grant every oni Resistance to Regeneration Negation (Mid-Godly)

The oni derive power from hidden things and their powers can't be fathomed even by those who are experts at magic like Marisa. Their techniques are described as incomprehensible, and their powers cannot be mimicked. Every oni should get Resistance to Power Mimicry and Information Analysis.

CDS is Peak

Reimu’s Fantasy Seal nibbles away at you until you are sealed and supposedly defeats every youkai unconditionally. But it doesn’t work on Utsuho at all.

Utsuho should get Resistance to Sealing.

Kasen also no sells the same attack, but it's listed as limited resistance in her profile. It should just be resistance.

Radiation Poisoning

Utsuho spreads high levels of radiation when fighting. Every character who has ever fought Utsuho should get Resistance to Radiation Manipulation. And Utsuho too for obvious reasons. These characters are Reimu & Marisa (SA), Sanae & Cirno (Hisoutensoku), Sumireko (VD), Aya & Hatate (DS), and Minamatsu, Joon, Shion, Flandre & Yuuma (SFW)

Lastly, every outdated profile should be arranged like how Yukari’s profile already is. It is way better than the current messy ones.

Agree: 7 (Quibster, Speedblitzer50, Deidalius, XXxMegalodonPrimexXx, Guardian_Doge, ActuallySpaceMan42, Planck69)
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

Yeah these feats are pretty straightforward. Great work.

 

[Speedblitzer50]

Agree

 

[Deidalius]

Does Utsuho actually get hit by Fantasy seal or did she just dodge it? Because in the scans you showed, it seems like Utsuho just dodged Fantasy seal, rather than tank and resist the effects it has.

 

[Wonder_of_Fantasy]

Does Utsuho actually get hit by Fantasy seal or did she just dodge it? Because in the scans you showed, it seems like Utsuho just dodged Fantasy seal, rather than tank and resist the effects it has.

She both dodged and deflected Fantasy Seal away with her metal arm.

 

[Deidalius]

Oh, yeah, I completely missed the whack sound effect.

I agree with the CRT.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Nonexistent & Nondual Suika

Suika’s mist form is described as a borderless purity, something that Yukari cannot affect with her boundary manipulation. Boundaries are effectively the lines between any two things, including those of a conceptual nature such as life & death, master & slave, space & time, truth & falsehood, form & emptiness, existence & nonexistence [zero], and even nonexistence & void [imaginary number].

Nameless gods like Junko are already accepted to have Nonduality (Type 2) and Nonexistent Physiology (Nature 2, Aspect 2) for the same reasons listed above, so there actually isn't much to discuss here. Suika should also get the same ND and NEP for her mist form.

This should also be Type 1 BDE given that by being outside the boundaries of space and time, Nameless Gods should be lacking both these things.

 

[XXxMegalodonPrimexXx]

I see no reason to disagree with this. I agree to the proposed upgrades.

 

[Diabul]

This should also be Type 1 BDE given that by being outside the boundaries of space and time, Nameless Gods should be lacking both these things.

That sounds straightforward enough. But I don't want to try and defend something I don't really know about :P I can add it if you are willing to stand behind it though.

Incidentally, bump.

 

[StrymULTRA]

That sounds straightforward enough. But I don't want to try and defend something I don't really know about :P I can add it if you are willing to stand behind it though.

Incidentally, bump.

I mean...

Type 1: Characters who lack spatiotemporal features entirely, while not actually being superior to them in nature. They are simply ontologically different from any dimensional construct, but can ultimately still be comparable to dimension-bound entities in terms of raw power. Due to being aspatial and atemporal, they are obviously immune to conventional Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation, and since they are not part of the spacetime continuum, they usually have Acausality (Type 1)

This is textbook what are Nameless Gods. I think it's one of those self-evident things that require only 1 staff approval given how blatant it is lol.

 

[Diabul]

I mean...

Type 1: Characters who lack spatiotemporal features entirely, while not actually being superior to them in nature. They are simply ontologically different from any dimensional construct, but can ultimately still be comparable to dimension-bound entities in terms of raw power. Due to being aspatial and atemporal, they are obviously immune to conventional Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation, and since they are not part of the spacetime continuum, they usually have Acausality (Type 1)

This is textbook what are Nameless Gods. I think it's one of those self-evident things that require only 1 staff approval given how blatant it is lol.

Yes, I'm aware, I read the page. I'm just being insecure. Anyway, that was encouraging enough.

 

[Diabul]

Bump

 

[Diabul]

Bump

 

[NothingToDebateWith]

Bump

Do we have Vengeful Reimu in the next crt?

 

[Diabul]

You're talking as if these two CRTs will get evaluated anytime soon

Yes, adding Black Fantasy Seal to Reimu's arsenal is extremely important.

 

[Deidalius]

that will revolutionize sprite fight animations

 

[Speedblitzer50]

You're talking as if these two CRTs will get evaluated anytime soon

If this CRT was a massive downgrade I am sure it would be evaluated by the staff quickly

 

[Deidalius]

What do CRTs need to be applied? I forgot because I don't do many CRTs.

 

[Speedblitzer50]

What do CRTs need to be applied? I forgot because I don't do many CRTs.

Two staff approvals, and wait 48 hours from the last approval to apply the changes

 

[Diabul]

Bump

 

[StrymULTRA]

I hope that extreme cringe will attract staff.

 

[Diabul]

You can't comprehend the peak Lustword designs smh

 

[Deidalius]

I hope that extreme cringe will attract staff.

They ruined her design.

 

[NothingToDebateWith]

You can't comprehend the peak Lustword designs smh

A work of higher dimensional beings indeed.

 

[Speedblitzer50]

I hope that extreme cringe will attract staff.

At least it wasn't the Loli Junko

 

[Diabul]

Bump

 

[Diabul]

Bump

 

[Diabul]

Bump

 

[Diabul]

Bump

 

[Guardian_Doge]

Suika’s mist form is described as a borderless purity, something that Yukari cannot affect with her boundary manipulation. Boundaries are effectively the lines between any two things, including those of a conceptual nature such as life & death, master & slave, space & time, truth & falsehood, form & emptiness, existence & nonexistence [zero], and even nonexistence & void [imaginary number].

Nameless gods like Junko are already accepted to have Nonduality (Type 2) and Nonexistent Physiology (Nature 2, Aspect 2) for the same reasons listed above, so there actually isn't much to discuss here. Suika should also get the same ND and NEP for her mist form.

I hate that this looks okay so I'm going to banter and pretend say this is wrong. How can she have NEP if she's still "mist", being nondual might be fine, though I highly doubt it's type 2 given she's still within the idea of creation and nonexistence, furthermore, her power is stated to be co-relative to creation but she can only manipulate what already exists, so simply lacking the determinate quality of a particular object or maybe even set of certain objects that do not govern over a superior kind of concept, is not (at least in my opinion) type 2. Referring back to the NEP, it seems odd to then attribute aspect 2 because does "Mist" as some sort of ubiquitous idea really have an opposite? Not likely but I'm not sure anywho.

Like I said nonduality is a MAYBE but it'd probably be type 1, especially because the scale of her "borderless mist" being one, is specifically within a level of reality. Yukari's scope of manipulation can be extremely vague so I wouldn't use that a pointer.

Rest seems fine....

 

[StrymULTRA]

I hate that this looks okay so I'm going to banter and pretend say this is wrong. How can she have NEP if she's still "mist", being nondual might be fine, though I highly doubt it's type 2 given she's still within the idea of creation and nonexistence, furthermore, her power is stated to be co-relative to creation but she can only manipulate what already exists, so simply lacking the determinate quality of a particular object or maybe even set of certain objects that do not govern over a superior kind of concept, is not (at least in my opinion) type 2. Referring back to the NEP, it seems odd to then attribute aspect 2 because does "Mist" as some sort of ubiquitous idea really have an opposite? Not likely but I'm not sure anywho.

This is argument from incredulity as NEP in itself doesn't exist irl so its portrayal varies.

Junko for example is still a physical woman in looks, but that isn't a reason to discredit her being NEP, so I don't think a "mist" is that absurd.

 

[Guardian_Doge]

Well that’s a separate issue inverse concerning how exactly junko as a spirit is pure in essence, I think physical forms inherently have value and while there isn’t a clear statement on whether or not it is an avatar or isn’t, the complications are much easier to avoid if it assumed such.

On the other hand, suika, very much exists, inside of a scope, and as an ambiguous idea of “things” being gathered or dispersed, so nonexistence as a physiological inheritance doesn’t seem completely sound. So I would need evidence as to whether or not attributeless forms, specifically of a determinate (in this case mist) that are within reality are the same ones as supposedly “outside” reality.

Keep in mind I’m super outdated in touhou and its cosmology though so I might need some reference threads.

 

[Guardian_Doge]

Which by the way you’d still get nonduality but not NEP fra
(Unless again those 2 are inseparable)

 

[StrymULTRA]

Well that’s a separate issue inverse concerning how exactly junko as a spirit is pure in essence, I think physical forms inherently have value and while there isn’t a clear statement on whether or not it is an avatar or isn’t, the complications are much easier to avoid if it assumed such.

On the other hand, suika, very much exists, inside of a scope, and as an ambiguous idea of “things” being gathered or dispersed, so nonexistence as a physiological inheritance doesn’t seem completely sound. So I would need evidence as to whether or not attributeless forms, specifically of a determinate (in this case mist) that are within reality are the same ones as supposedly “outside” reality.

Keep in mind I’m super outdated in touhou and its cosmology though so I might need some reference threads.

Junko is no longer assumed to use physical avatars.

As her current profile stands, unlike the other Gods, she's just the True Form.

And I said physical woman in looks, not that she is literally that.

Which by the way you’d still get nonduality but not NEP fra
(Unless again those 2 are inseparable)

The entire reason why NEP 2 is there is from Nonduality given that it includes also those between existence and nonexistence.

You can't get one without the other here.

 

[Diabul]

How can she have NEP if she's still "mist", being nondual might be fine, though I highly doubt it's type 2 given she's still within the idea of creation and nonexistence, furthermore, her power is stated to be co-relative to creation but she can only manipulate what already exists, so simply lacking the determinate quality of a particular object or maybe even set of certain objects that do not govern over a superior kind of concept, is not (at least in my opinion) type 2. Referring back to the NEP, it seems odd to then attribute aspect 2 because does "Mist" as some sort of ubiquitous idea really have an opposite? Not likely but I'm not sure anywho.

Well that’s a separate issue inverse concerning how exactly junko as a spirit is pure in essence, I think physical forms inherently have value and while there isn’t a clear statement on whether or not it is an avatar or isn’t, the complications are much easier to avoid if it assumed such.

I'm having a bit of trouble understanding. Junko doesn't have an avatar and yet seemingly "exists" in the same scope as, say, Marisa. It is accepted as such in her profile. Suika as a mist being a borderless purity in essence doesn't seem to be any different than how Junko "exists" to me. I can see how "only gather and scatter that which already exists..." bit in her omake might make this dubious, but essentially, it doesn't matter. The statements are explicit. The mist is a borderless purity, has no border to it, and cannot be manipulated by Yukari. Maybe the mist is reliant on "something" else, I don't know, but lacking boundaries is described as nonexistence, and is accepted as such.

Yukari's scope of manipulation can be extremely vague so I wouldn't use that a pointer.

(Unless again those 2 are inseparable)

Yukari's scope of manipulation is pretty clear. It's stated that she is able to manipulate any and all boundaries multiple times, and affect anything. If Yukari says the "mist" doesn't have boundaries and she can't manipulate it, then the mist lacks boundaries. In the same way "Junko" lacks them.

Both ND and NEP of nameless gods stem from the fact that they lack boundaries, so yes, they are inseparable.

 

[Guardian_Doge]

Junko is no longer assumed to use physical avatars.

As her current profile stands, unlike the other Gods, she's just the True Form.

And I said physical woman in looks, not that she is literally that.

This is so odd but I’m not wiki active enough to change the standards so teehee

The entire reason why NEP 2 is there is from Nonduality given that it includes also those between existence and nonexistence.

Cringe cronge

I'm having a bit of trouble understanding. Junko doesn't have an avatar and yet seemingly "exists" in the same scope as, say, Marisa. It is accepted as such in her profile. Suika as a mist being a borderless purity in essence doesn't seem to be any different than how Junko "exists" to me. I can see how "only gather and scatter that which already exists..." bit in her omake might make this dubious, but essentially, it doesn't matter. The statements are explicit. The mist is a borderless purity, has no border to it, and cannot be manipulated by Yukari. Maybe the mist is reliant on "something" else, I don't know, but lacking boundaries is described as nonexistence, and is accepted as such.

It’s still very much different, suika also says she’s chi herself which yeah is vague and probably a non-defeater, I just can’t see it as being intermediate of nonexistence in any way, given the exposition in the scan states the mist is borderless because its one but “one” can’t really become none in this case, they’re making one transform into two. But if the standards for nonduality include rejecting some partial multiplicity of other existents thus having some form of nonbeing (which I find problematic but it’s not horrible in some cases) then I guess NEP is fine.

Yukari's scope of manipulation is pretty clear. It's stated that she is able to manipulate any and all boundaries multiple times, and affect anything. If Yukari says the "mist" doesn't have boundaries and she can't manipulate it, then the mist lacks boundaries. In the same way "Junko" lacks them.

Both ND and NEP of nameless gods stem from the fact that they lack boundaries, so yes, they are inseparable.

poop

 

[Guardian_Doge]

JUST REREAD THE STANDARDS BTW NVM IT QUALIFIES......

 

[Diabul]

I hate that this looks okay so I'm going to banter and pretend say this is wrong.
It’s still very much different
“one” can’t really become none in this case,
This is so odd but I’m not wiki active enough to change the standards so teehee
Cringe cronge
I just can’t see it as being intermediate of nonexistence in any way
poop
then I guess NEP is fine.
JUST REREAD THE STANDARDS BTW NVM IT QUALIFIES......

What are you even on about at this point man

So, I'm confused, do you agree with everything or not?

 

[Guardian_Doge]

What are you even on about at this point man

So, I'm confused, do you agree with everything or not?

Crazy I was crazy once they locked me in a room a rubber room a rubber room filled with rats

I GUESS everything is fine………

 

[Diabul]

I'm listing it as possibly agree just to be safe.