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Stop being an instigator goober, go handle those NNT goons, they're slapping you up.
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OP looks good to me.
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The Destruction was Going to take a unknown timeframe
I don't see any reason why the creation of a new timespace after the original one is already gone would take a long amount of time
I don't see any reason why the creation of a new timespace after the original one is already gone would take a long amount of time
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The Destruction part is EE, not tierable.
It's still not going to be Tier 2 in any sense of the word unless the realm is the size of the observable universe at the bare minimum.
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Alright guys, I actually have a theory of how I think we can figure out a rating.
As per the wiki, creating a dimension with a moon is 5-A. So even if we do assume that there’s no specific timeframe for creating a High 4-C realm, the consistent showings of moons in other dimensions should allow us to believe that in a short timeframe, at least a planet and a moon was going to be recreated. We see this in one of the anime episodes as well where as soon as she gets her power, the first dimension we see contains a moon. Especially since the astronomical distance of the Earth and Moon is much smaller than that of Earth and Sun.
As per the wiki, creating a dimension with a moon is 5-A. So even if we do assume that there’s no specific timeframe for creating a High 4-C realm, the consistent showings of moons in other dimensions should allow us to believe that in a short timeframe, at least a planet and a moon was going to be recreated. We see this in one of the anime episodes as well where as soon as she gets her power, the first dimension we see contains a moon. Especially since the astronomical distance of the Earth and Moon is much smaller than that of Earth and Sun.
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Another theory might be that her dimension was likely going to be completed before the arrival of Momoshiki and Kinshiki. So around 15 years to create a dimension of that size, since obviously she’d need time to create army as well.
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I also will say here. Why would Kaguya spend any large amount of time recreating her dimensions. Also from the dialogue from Zetsu it sounded like it would have been created in a short timeframe
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What did he say indicates that it was a short timeframe?
Given we don't see it and no timeframe is given, that means it's unknown in general so it could be a short time or a long time.
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Aight, so I actually calced this. Assuming it takes 15 years to perform a feat that outputs 8.14 Foe. And 15 years is 473354280 seconds. Dividing that I get 1.71*10^36 Joules or 5-A
That makes 5-A consistent.
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Creating a realm with a star isn’t 8.14 Foe apparently the math was wrong, check KLOLs comment in the calc.
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He is saying it is the start of a new timespace
I don't see how he could be saying it is the start of a new timespace when both the creation of it hasn't started yet and it takes a long time to happen
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Ah crap I missed that. Redoing that calc with KLOLs value. I’m getting 2.34*10^33 Joules or just 5-B+. Though I do think this might still be a lowball considering she’d also need enough chakra to prep her army if she’s using up all her chakra to create her dimension.
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If you wanna message the staff walls of those who’ve commented to comment on your post here that’d be great.
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Though I do still think that the creating a dimension with a moon calc might be more reasonable to use since the first dimension she created contained a moon which is what allowed to cast IT in the first place.
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That doesn't mean it happens in a short. That just means it's the start, which was indicated by the TSB expanding, but nothing about what he says indicats the time will be short.
You have no direct timeframe, it's as simple as that. Personally I don't mind the "possibly" suggestion that was mentioned above. But no, just saying it was short timeframe doesn't mean anything if you don't have anything that accurately suggests it's a "short time".
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Except its not even the start. unless it was about to happen on its own (which would need a short timeframe).
I would be fine with a possibly rating for this regardless
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That was the start... the TSB being formed is the start of a new time space because that's the thing that's going to expand, then create a new time-space. It's the equivalent of someone creating a world ending bomb and stating "This is the start of a new era." Because creating the bomb was the first step. So yes, Zetsu saying it's the start, simply means this is the first step, not that the time space will be created in a short timeframe.
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Yeah, remove it and just add it as "range with environmental destruction overtime"
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Disagree, the size of ETSO before collapsing can cause the curvature of space more than 16 like Kinshiki said, something that exceeds 10 is an abnormality, the conclusion is, ETSO only takes a few minutes to create a new space-time.Introduction
SoI'm evil nowthis is a tentative downgrade maybe it won't end up as a downgrade, but I'll elaborate further.This is clearly the brain child of Deceived.
Addressing ETSO's Creation
Our creation page states the following,
Lastly, the creation of the object(s) in question needs to happen within a reasonably short timeframe for the whole result to apply to the Attack Potency.
The obvious implication here is that creation feats need a combat applicable timeframe in order to be quantifiable for AP. And in the instance in which the timeframe is not combat applicable, but it is known, we simply divide by the timeframe in seconds to get a yield in energy per second. This is seen all throughout the wiki commonly with overtime feats, but as for a creation feat that follows this protocol look no further this calc. In the aforementioned calc and realm with a star is created over 3 days, and we divide by that time to get the feat quantifiably at High 5-A.
Why this matters for the ETSO is because, as far as I am aware, there is no means of reasonably obtaining a timeframe for how long it would take the ETSO to create a realm with a star. The ETSO never stays around long enough to expand across an AU's distance to consume a star as we currently treat it capable of, and it doesn't appear to have been expanding quickly at all, it only reached the size of a large mountain. I believe we have even less indication of how long it would take for its creation. If that is the case, the feat is unquantifiable and its rating would need to get removed from Kaguya's verse page.
Conclusion
The ETSO needs to have its rating removed if there is no means of reasonably quantifying a short time frame or a timeframe at all. However, if someone can quantify a timeframe we can adjust the feat by dividing by said timeframe to accurately quantify it. Let's keep it civil and I'm interested to hear anyone's thoughts on obtaining a timeframe here.
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SoI'm evil nowthis is a tentative downgrade maybe it won't end up as a downgrade, but I'll elaborate further.This is clearly the brain child of Deceived.
Addressing ETSO's Creation
Our creation page states the following,
Lastly, the creation of the object(s) in question needs to happen within a reasonably short timeframe for the whole result to apply to the Attack Potency.
The obvious implication here is that creation feats need a combat applicable timeframe in order to be quantifiable for AP. And in the instance in which the timeframe is not combat applicable, but it is known, we simply divide by the timeframe in seconds to get a yield in energy per second. This is seen all throughout the wiki commonly with overtime feats, but as for a creation feat that follows this protocol look no further this calc. In the aforementioned calc and realm with a star is created over 3 days, and we divide by that time to get the feat quantifiably at High 5-A.
Why this matters for the ETSO is because, as far as I am aware, there is no means of reasonably obtaining a timeframe for how long it would take the ETSO to create a realm with a star. The ETSO never stays around long enough to expand across an AU's distance to consume a star as we currently treat it capable of, and it doesn't appear to have been expanding quickly at all, it only reached the size of a large mountain. I believe we have even less indication of how long it would take for its creation. If that is the case, the feat is unquantifiable and its rating would need to get removed from Kaguya's verse page.
Conclusion
The ETSO needs to have its rating removed if there is no means of reasonably quantifying a short time frame or a timeframe at all. However, if someone can quantify a timeframe we can adjust the feat by dividing by said timeframe to accurately quantify it. Let's keep it civil and I'm interested to hear anyone's thoughts on obtaining a timeframe here.
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I'm decently sure (though i definitely could be wrong.)
- That wasn't in reference to Kaguya's ETSO but rather something else entirely.
- It's from a novel/movie which isn't considered canon on the wiki so it has no bearing on this CRT.
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1. yes this is not for kaguya at all it was for the Naruto with kyubi charkra
2. it is in the anime , it is canon as naruto was causing a tear in space. But I don’t even know what we can do with it.
you are right.
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bad arc. our only accepted tier 4 feat that we are still planning on how to use it for something great You destroyed it. arc You are a betrayal - Status
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