Elsa (Frozen) vs Katara (ATLA)

[Robo432343]

Elsa (Frozen)

Queen Elsa of Arendelle (also known as the Snow Queen) is the deuteragonist of Disney's 2013 animated feature film, Frozen, and the protagonist of its 2019 sequel, Frozen II. She is the firstborn daughter of former monarchs Agnarr and Iduna, older sister of Princess Anna, and the contemporary...

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Katara

Katara is a waterbending master, born in the Southern Water Tribe to Chief Hakoda and his wife, Kya. During her childhood, she was the only waterbender living in the South Pole. At first, she lived a peaceful life with her family, until she lost her mother in a Fire Nation raid. After her father...

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[JIDEnd]

who started it?

 

[Robo432343]

who started what

 

[WyattR612]

me

 

[Robo432343]

ngl i think Elsa just freezes her
Elsa FRA

 

[MintyBoi1]

Shouldn’t Mina vastly outskill and outmaneuver Elsa with her hero training and the ability to slide on her acid? Elsa got knocked out by a chandelier, I’m voting Mina.

 

[Robo432343]

i mean yeah but Elsa also can outrage her with ice

 

[MintyBoi1]

i mean yeah but Elsa also can outrage her with ice

How do this Elsa’s powers work? Can she just freeze Mina from anywhere because that’s a bit unfair given townwide range and SBA

 

[Robo432343]

Elsa's profile is so whack i changed it to Katara

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Just wanna note that Elsa has a 2.7x reaction speed advantage here along with Instinctive Reactions that activates without her being aware. This means Katara will have a hard time remotely touching Elsa.

 

[Robo432343]

reaction speed is = in speed = matches

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

reaction speed is = in speed = matches

That's only combat speed sir. Reactions don't get equalized...

 

[Robo432343]

That's only combat speed sir. Reactions don't get equalized...

"The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight, etc."

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character.

 

[Robo432343]

i know
so they have the same reaction speed

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight, etc."

This is talking about multipliers and amplifications.
Eg: if a Supersonic+ character has a 7.8x amp for reactions/perceptions. It gets minisculed down to the lesser combat speed of another character when equalized. It'll still be a 7.8x amp regardless

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

i know
so they have the same reaction speed

They don't. Their statistics is downgraded to Superhuman, scaling to Elsa based on Speed equalization rules. As Travel speed equates to combat speed on here aswell.
Elsa however has her reactions at Subsonic which is a 2.7x difference compared to her travel/combat speed (Superhuman; 12.43 m/s)

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

The stuff I quoted earlier states only combat speed is affected when speed is equalized. As in the faster character gets brought down to match the slower one. Multipliers and amps are an exception and even those still have the same amps they provide at baseline.

 

[Robo432343]

bro using this logic barely any matches can be fair because of the reaction advantage

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Moving on, The moment Katara is hit with Elsa's blast and ice attacks, they'll spread over and within her body;

Her ice blasts able to directly attack the inside of the head, requiring manipulation of the brain in order to heal, or the heart, leaving the victim in a weakened state until eventually freezing them into ice entirely[1]

She would be able to dura neg Katara in a few attempts of using her ice hax.

This right here probably cancels out Katara's Attack Reflection capabilities;

• Vibration Manipulation (Attacking Elsa's ice will result in a shockwave being created to knock back opponents[1])

She has incredible danmaku;

• Danmaku (She can make, control, and suspend many ice crystals at a time[2]. It is stated that they are in the millions[3])

She can straight up fizzle Katara's ice attacks;

She can force already existing ice to disperse into hundreds of pieces with a gesture[2].

I see Elsa winning more than not accounting these among other factors like range and so forth... What does Katara bring to the table.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

bro using this logic barely any matches can be fair because of the reaction advantage

I didn't create the rules now did I . Re-Zero characters such as Subaru have over 160,000x reactions and perception difference compared to their combat speed in matches. It's a pretty common trait although sometimes the difference appears far lower such as in Elsa's case.

 

[Robo432343]

oh
i just realized this match has been done already and elsa stomped

man.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

oh
i just realized this match has been done already and elsa stomped

man.

OOP could supporters maybe change her fate this time?

 

[DemonicDude]

As far as my vote goes voting, I'm learning towards the girl

 

[noninho]

Robo, I  think Raven can be a nice match with Elsa, later
if you wanna, we can try and see

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

This Raven?

 

[noninho]

This Raven?

Yes

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

Moving on, The moment Katara is hit with Elsa's blast and ice attacks, they'll spread over and within her body;

She would be able to dura neg Katara in a few attempts of using her ice hax.

This right here probably cancels out Katara's Attack Reflection capabilities;


She has incredible danmaku;


She can straight up fizzle Katara's ice attacks;


I see Elsa winning more than not accounting these among other factors like range and so forth... What does Katara bring to the table.

Regarding the attack reflection bit, the vibrations shouldn't happen if Katara simply took control of the ice instead of attacking it, right?

 

[noninho]

Regarding the attack reflection bit, the vibrations shouldn't happen if Katara simply took control of the ice instead of attacking it, right?

Yeah, it's a reaction only when you attack it iirc
Maybe Elsa can control it too, tho, and break "the ice Katara just controlled", with her concentration coming with it