Elder Scrolls 2-A Question

[Assaltwaffle]

What exactly grants the characters this rating? I have read over the info given on numerous Daedric princes' pages as well as The Elder Scrolls page itself and cannot find an exact or summarized reason for this kind of rating.

The Mundus is infinite and there are infinite planes of oblivion, but what exactly in this translates to 2-A? Being an ascended being in an infinite multiverse shouldn't automatically grant 2-A status to my knowledge. Molag Bal, one of the most powerful Daedric princes, has power in 37,000 planes of oblivion at a minimum. This is already a bit of a throw off, since having power within realms usually doesn't translate to outright busting them. Even if it did, that would only be a 2-B feat, not a 2-A. In fact I can't find an instance of any Daedra busting a universe or equivalent thereof. Where is the original source of the Daedra being 4-D and infinite within said 4-D space?

As a side note the Elder Scroll's profiles have borderline no biographies and are in a bad state grammar and format wise. They are locked as well, so no edits can be done on the vast majority of them.

 

[Shazam121]

Hey, check out my discussion where I try to explain why I think there may be some upgrades needed and a downgrade.

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/667709#60

Currently the gods all seem to be scaled from Akatosh who is the embodiment of time (currently linear time) in both Mundus and Oblivion. Mundus is a multiverse in its own right and has parallel versions, the Aedric gods are transcendent above them. Oblivion is infinite in size and made up of infinite worlds and said to embody all possibilities and time appears to permeate through it. This is the reason Akatosh is 2-A, since the other gods are somewhat comparable to him and some are even described as more powerful like Malacath (previously Trinimac) in the games they also receive this rating.

A few titbits:

-The gods are described as infinite in size and mass

-The realms of the gods are an extension of their wills and often described as an intrinsic part of them: the gods ARE the realms and vice versa

-The gods either embody their concepts or are responsible for the creation of their concepts. For example: in Skyrim Sheogorath (the prince of madness) tells the PC that he is a part of every mortal (their innate madness); keep in mind Sheogorath's true form is multiple planes of infinity away from the mortal's realms.

-Just using an artefact of hers a priest of Vaermina was able to: "The Wizard Arvek in Oblivion used the Orb of Vaermina, which connects directly to Quagmire. The Orb of Vaermina grants him the power to dream and create an infinite array of dreams which each sized as a realm within Quagmire. Each realm can be considered to be a plane of existence"

-The gods existed in a period known as the Dawn Era, when there was no space or time.

-The gods are not bound by time since time is very much localised in TES. During an interview ESO lore master said the following: "This is a world where reality is actually changeable, where the Divines can change not only what happens going forward, but what has happened in the past."

Meridia seems able to manipulate the Time dragon (probably Akatosh) to alter the rate at which time flows even on Mundus: "...thus does Merid-Nunda [ride? slide?] across the rainbow road from end to end, at one end stretching the drago, at the other end compressing him...."
A curious passage indeed. The "dragon," of course, traditionally refers to the Divine we know as Akatosh, the God of Time. This seems to suggest that by traveling the "rainbow road" (a reference to the prismatic refraction of light?), Meridia can in some sense alter the rate at which time flows forward."

Haskill explains how the residents of the shivering isles are subject to Sheogorath, not time.

-Magnus was able to tear a hole through the infinite mortal realm of Mundus, then through the infinite realm of Oblivion to Aetherius, a place described as beyond time and space and where the Magna Ge now reside.

-Jyggalag's power was said to be spreading across the seas of oblivion.

-Sithis and Anuiel exist outside and surround the Aurbis (which is made up of 3 separate multiverses each with their parallel realities).


So, the gods are 2-A as they are all scaled to each other and because they seem to embody concepts that permeate through multiple planes of infinities. They aren't 2-A because they bust infinite multiverse, they are 2-A because they kinda ARE infinite multiverse.

Also keep in mind how many realms a god may have is not a good indication of a gods power. You mentioned Molag Bal, but while Bal is certainly one of the more "prominent" daedra to mortals he isn't necessarily one of the most powerful. In fact, he may not even be an Et Ada like many of his peers (an original spirit). The most powerful of the princes is probably Nocturnal, other powerful ones would be Sheogorath/ Jyggalag etc; all have far fewer realms than Bal.

 

[Shazam121]

I found the original discussions for this.

Why Akatosh was placed at 2-A

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/53627

Why other gods were scaled to him

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/230706

There are things I disagree with here, but it seems pretty on point for the most part.