Eida vs Makima (Boruto vs Chainsawman)

[Shadowbokunohero]

something something something passive

• Speed is equalized
• Battle takes place on Kami Island

Red head:

Blue Head:

Team up to abduct underage boys:

 

[Testarossa002]

An aside, I don't know why Eida has a possible rating for her AP
The only way she'll be superior to Jigen is via her stats since her love charm ability doesn't work on the Otsutsuki
Heck, her statement seems to be regarding skill rather than power since she says she can perform simple taijutsu

 

[DavidTPPM]

Makima seems to have nothing against charm. So yeah, this is probably a stomp

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Makima seems to have nothing against charm. So yeah, this is probably a stomp

She has control, which is treated as passive on the wiki

 

[DavidTPPM]

She has control, which is treated as passive on the wiki

She will be forced to stop it and give up due to charm which is also passive and makes people incapable of harming Ada

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

She will be forced to stop it and give up due to charm which is also passive and makes people incapable of harming Ada

The Reverse is true as well.

 

[Zabazab]

They stare really hard at eachother.

 

[Nierre]

The Reverse is true as well.

Ada can't stop her charm so there's nothing that Makima can do.

Even if Makima tries to control Ada, she wouldn't be able to due to Ada's ability, if anything, I see Makima removing her control effect due to Ada's manipulation.

Ada FRA

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Ada can't stop her charm so there's nothing that Makima can do.

not true, Ada's charm is a byproduct of her unconscious desire for love created by Omnipotence, effecting a personality would inherently effect that.

 

[Nierre]

not true, Ada's charm is a byproduct of unconscious desire for love created by Omnipotence, effecting a personality would inherently effect that.

In the final fight between Pochita and Makima, the people Makima were controlling desired her attention and wanted her love so would that not activate Ada's Charm ability?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

In the final fight between Pochita and Makima, the people Makima were controlling desired her attention and wanted her love so would that not activate Ada's Charm ability?

Unironically yes..but it wouldnt really benefit Eida in a meaningful way because, it would just make Eida Makima's pawn but Makima herself would love and give Eida attention based on a controlled Eida's desire (similar to Kawaki), who will reinforce Makima's control .

 

[Nierre]

Hmm.. I guess that's incon then.

They'll just be fawning over each other the entire match

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

there are some potential loopholes both could exploit but wanted to see if some other people would bring them up, because its no fun answering my own thread lol

 

[DavidTPPM]

The Reverse is true as well.

It's really not. Makima can control her passive. Adas entire character is based around her inability to control hers.
They both get caught in each others passives but Makima is forced to turn off hers and give up, meanwhile Ada legit can't do anything about hers. Even if Makima couldn't turn off her passive she will become Adas slave without any ability to actually utilize her control so regardless of how Makimas hax work here, Ada comes out on top.

Definitely voting Ada here.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

why are you acting as if either power of theirs is this on and off switch where they lose autonomy. Shikamaru was less than a meter from Eida and even though he was feeling the side effects like strain, he was very much able to temporary use shadow paralysis on her because it "didnt count" as an attack as well as take part of Ino's jutsu where he could formulate a plan of attack even if he wasn't able to physically act on it in the moment

also Ada not being able to control her power doesn't mean anything if its a byproduct of her personality. something being subconscious isnt the same as being entirely divorced

 

[DavidTPPM]

why are you acting as if either power of theirs is this on and off switch where they lose autonomy. Shikamaru was less than a meter from Eida and even though he was feeling the side effects like strain, he was very much able to temporary use shadow paralysis on her because it "didnt count" as an attack as well as take part of Ino's jutsu where he could formulate a plan of attack even if he wasn't able to physically act on it in the moment

Yeah and he was going absolutely insane over it. He was sweating, had a fever, and was mentally breaking down until his body completely stopped responding and freed Ada.

also Ada not being able to control her power doesn't mean anything if its a byproduct of her personality. something being subconscious isnt the same as being entirely divorced

It's not? She doesn't use it subconsciously, she's not using it at all. She literally just rewrote reality to where this happens, this being impossible to turn off is legit her entire motivation.

Edit: This is also banking on Makima not getting the Delta/Konohamaru treatment where they fall madly in love with her and especially just become her love slaves.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Yeah and he was going absolutely insane over it. He was sweating, had a fever, and was mentally breaking down until his body completely stopped responding and freed Ada.

he was not mentally breaking down , what?

He had the mental facilities to still interrogate her
He still considered her an enemy while under control
Formulated a Plan
Was able to resist for a little bit through sheer willpower
He would have been damaged his mind if he specially tried to physically attack Ada

It's not? She doesn't use it subconsciously, she's not using it at all. She literally just rewrote reality to where this happens, this being impossible to turn off is legit her entire motivation.

Its a proximity based ability brought on by Omnipotence, if your arguing that its an entirely separate thing divorced from her, where reality changed based on a past usage of Omnipotence then Makima wouldnt be effected at all (for obvious reason) and Ada would have to redo it again.

> This is also banking on Makima not getting the Delta/Konohamaru treatment where they fall madly in love with her and especially just become her love slaves.

she wont, the reason why people like delta became like that is per Amado's own words "Some Simple types like Delta just become infatuated"

Makima isnt even human to being with, and is the literal embodiment of humankinds collective fear of control.

even if we assume that Makima would suffer some form of the minor love syndrome that characters have, its important to note that Makima's concept of love is radically different from what humans consider love, which would still open Ada up to some of Makima's less conventional abilities. its also questionable if something like control would register as an attack given shadow paralysis does not

 

[DavidTPPM]

He had the mental facilities to still interrogate her

Yeah, for a little bit. Amado outright said if he tried to keep fighting it he will damage his mind.

Was able to resist for a little bit through sheer willpower

During which while he couldn't move and was under the threat of damaging his mind…

He would have been damaged his mind if he specially tried to physically attack Ada

No. If he kept trying to resist her charm.

Its a proximity based ability brought on by Omnipotence, if your arguing that its an entirely separate thing divorced from her, where reality changed based on a past usage of Omnipotence then Makima wouldnt be effected at all (for obvious reason)

What do you mean "obvious reasons"? There are no reasons it wouldn't work .

and Ada would have to redo it again.

Literally just not how the ability works.

> This is also banking on Makima not getting the Delta/Konohamaru treatment where they fall madly in love with her and especially just become her love slaves.

she wont, the reason why people like delta became like that is per Amado's own words "Some Simple types like Delta just become infatuated"

Except we've seen people like Konohamaru who are trained seasoned Shinobi still completely submit immediately. Hell even Mitsuki did and he's not exactly a "human" either.

Makima isnt even human to being with,

Neither is Delta.

even if we assume that Makima would suffer some form of the minor love syndrome that characters have, its important to note that Makima's concept of love is radically different from what humans consider love, which would still open Ada up to some of Makima's less conventional abilities.

Such as?

its also questionable if something like control would register as an attack given shadow paralysis does not

If it can cause harm to her it would. Even shadow possession could only immobilize her, not control her movements (which is a basic SP ability).

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Yeah, for a little bit. Amado outright said if he tried to keep fighting it he will damage his mind.

no its after he attempted to stab her with a Kunai

During which while he couldn't move and was under the threat of damaging his mind…

because he was trying to stab her with a kunai

No. If he kept trying to resist her charm.

no this is directly after he tried stabbing her

What do you mean "obvious reasons"? There are no reasons it wouldn't work .

because if your arguing that reality itself warped based on Eida's desire then Makima would not be effected because

A. Makima would not have been part of the world that was warped at the time, because she isnt a boruto character, this is the equivalent of saying a random person from another fictional universe would be effected by Omnipotence memory swap after its initial usage in chapter 80.

Literally just not how the ability works.

thats exactly how it would work based on your standard.

Omnipotence either warps reality itself so that the people fall in love with her all it effects Ada specifically as passive ability, which just goes back to the original point

Except we've seen people like Konohamaru who are trained seasoned Shinobi still completely submit immediately.

being a trained shinobi doesnt make you complex, naruto is war veteran and literally has cosmic awareness but is by all account still simple minded

Hell even Mitsuki did and he's not exactly a "human" either.

Mitsuki is a clone of orochimaru who was modified

Neither is Delta.

Delta is a human, she is literally an organic clone of Amado's daughter Akebi who was modified to be a cyborg..
cyborgs are still humans.

Such as?

BFR and immobilization

If it can cause harm to her it would. Even shadow possession could only immobilize her, not control her movements (which is a basic SP ability).

there are different applications, imitation and binding are two separate jutsu, also it would be irrelevant regardless because the imitation application requires the user to be able to move themselves, which shikamaru was not able to do.

 

[Robo432343]

incon fra

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

This guy comes and gaslights them even harder incon fra

 

[karo_senpaii]

Quick question. A consequence of eida charm is your perceive her as being perfect. I.e infanctuated by her. There is no room for makima to perceive her inferior to her

 

[GunshyFever]

Voting Incon due to arguments presented