Edo Itachi vs Dante

[Lightning_XXI]

Doesn't really matter since Itachi can make the Susanoo again, Dante's main weapon against it is Teleportation to get inside

However Deconstruction will work on Itachi

 

[M3X_2.0]

The susanoo has no atoms?

It's Chakra which I guess works like pure energy or energy related so I dunno

This. It is pure energy, energy isn't matter so no atoms

 

[ShivaShakti]

Doesn't really matter since Itachi can make the Susanoo again, Dante's main weapon against it is Teleportation to get inside
However Deconstruction will work on Itachi

So will Soulhax

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

However Deconstruction will work on Itachi

Uh, Low-Godly regen.

Soul hax helps, Deconstruction doesn't.

Only reason Deconstruction was being argued was weather that would let him get past Susanoo.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

The susanoo has no atoms?

It's Chakra which I guess works like pure energy or energy related so I dunno

This. It is pure energy, energy isn't matter so no atoms

Made of energy but it has a physical form

I dunno, but it doesn't matter for this fight

 

[Lightning_XXI]

However Deconstruction will work on Itachi

Uh, Low-Godly regen.
Soul hax helps, Deconstruction doesn't.

Only reason Deconstruction was being argued was weather that would let him get past Susanoo.

It works, but Itachi comes back*

Now is fixed

 

[M3X_2.0]

Physical doesn't mean it has mass or atoms, actually

 

[Rocker1189]

Made of energy but it has a physical form

I dunno, but it doesn't matter for this fight

Susanoo is not made of matter, deconstruction wont work.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Here: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/4248867

I personally never heard of the whole "size restricts hax" before

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Even if it works, Susanoo isn't something that dies and can't come back, Itachi just remakes and keep the battle

Our arguments are not dependant on this

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

So, again, does he have any shown resistance to his nerves being manipulated?

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Manipulating nerves is Bio Hax, he resists

And he doesn't have Chakra at all

 

[M3X_2.0]

Chakra or not, it doesn't matter. Genjutsu isn't dependent on this. We are not in 2017 anymore. Show us somethint about his nerves, resisting some bio hax doesn't grant yoy resistance to such specific thing like this

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Since everyone is voting I'll do so too.

How I see this going is with Itachi going mind hax first, Dante resist and Itachi goes with CQC by himself or using a Clone.

Whatever he uses he will notice he has the advantage there and will probably use jutsus to deal with him faster.

Dante realizes he is being overwhelmed and goes DT which isn't enough but helps him, with Dante still getting overwhelmed he will start to hax which makes Itachi go all Mangekyo

This isn't counting that if Dante lands a hit at any moment with Soul hax which is an insta win due to lack of resistances

Basically, I vote for Dante

 

[M3X_2.0]

I will count the votes

 

[ShivaShakti]

Dante: 5

Itachi: 5

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Yeah no, that proof is abysmal. You aren't inflating the ability to not become a blob by holding a sword with being immune to your nerves' signals being changed by the enemy at all.


Voting Itachi until proper resistance is shown.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I count 7 for Dante

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Why that doesn't cover ? He resisted something much more damaging to his biology than having his nerves being manipulated

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

A lot of people are saying he resists mindhax here.


Without actual feats, that is simply untrue. His biological resistance feat has to do with anything but what Itacho does, so yeah.

 

[Rocker1189]

I also don't see how he has soul manipulation for what has been shown. It just looks like NPI to me.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Damage to his biology =/= nerves being controlled

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Why that doesn't cover ? He resisted something much more damaging to his biology than having his nerves being manipulated

Because they are fundamentally different.

Itachi isn't changing his biologily at all. He isn't making his cells do stuff they wouldn't normally, he just tricks them to take false imput.

This is like saying that resisting hallucinogens and being transmutate into a wall of flesh are the same thing.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I also don't see how he has soul manipulation for what has been shown. It just looks like NPI to me.

Let's leave that for a crt, please.

 

[ShivaShakti]

I also don't see how he has soul manipulation for what has been shown. It just looks like NPI to me.

We already discussed it. He can destroy souls by hitting his target and has another feat of him ripping a demon's soul out of a body.

 

[ShivaShakti]

A lot of people are saying he resists mindhax here.


Without actual feats, that is simply untrue. His biological resistance feat has to do with anything but what Itacho does, so yeah.

Dante's mind hax resistance comes from the Demon world which passively mindhaxes everything in it. He was able to withstand this since his early days.

Care to elaborate on that second part?

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Also, casting Mind Manipulation via magic or manipulating nerves (via magic) may be different on how is casted, but not the actual hax. Not only this isn't listed on the Mind Manipulation page, but it ends up being the same thing, Itachi may be able to manipulate Dante's nervous system to manipulate his mind, great, but when the control starts. it ends on Dante's resistance to it

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I also don't see how he has soul manipulation for what has been shown. It just looks like NPI to me.

Killing demons that can come back from their souls which are called cores.

He can kill them without attacking the cores

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

That just doesn't matter here. His nerves are being given false imput, that has nothing to do with his noncorporeal mind being manipulated.


Exactly that. I would prefer not explaining the whole biological mindmanip=/=magical mindmanip.

 

[ShivaShakti]

That just doesn't matter here. His nerves are being given false imput, that has nothing to do with his noncorporeal mind being manipulated.

Exactly that. I would prefer not explaining the whole biological mindmanip=/=magical mindmanip.

Okay so is Itachi controlling Dante's nerves through mind manip or bio manip?

I could argue Dante resists both as he is able to no sell Body Puppetry and the demon world's mind hax.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Mind Manipulation through Magic or Bio hax still Mind Manipulation, which gets resisted, this isn't even listed on the Mind Manipulation page, you don't just ignore resistance of the same hax because you cast it in a different way

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Also, casting Mind Manipulation via magic or manipulating nerves (via magic) may be different on how is casted, but not the actual hax. Not only this isn't listed on the Mind Manipulation page, but it ends up being the same thing, Itachi may be able to manipulate Dante's nervous system to manipulate his mind, great, but when the control starts. it ends on Dante's resistance to it

No. I am sorry, but that is not how it works.


There are many, many types of mindhax and you don't get to resist all of them by virtue of resisting one type. You don't get a blanket resistance to type 3 madness manip, bacteria ******* with your brain, brain surgery, someone with electricity manip giving your nerves the impression that they are feeling stuff, or someone just waving a wand and making you lose your memory.


Not without feats, anyways. And again, we are not having this argument here. The mechanism is what needs to be resisted, not the outcome. Someone 10^10 stronger hitting you and someone with matter manip atomizing you may have the same effect, but you aren't resisting one for resisting the other.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Mind Manipulation through Magic or Bio hax still Mind Manipulation, which gets resisted, this isn't even listed on the Mind Manipulation page, you don't just ignore resistance of the same hax because you cast it in a different way

The page does say that mechanics are important. But feel free to make a questions and answers post to have people explain why this is so.

 

[M3X_2.0]

you don't just ignore resistance of the same hax because you cast it in a different way

We literally do that. If you resist mindhax, because your mind resist that, fine. It wouldn't protect you from some gas that makes you crazy or create illusions, or controlling the nerves

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

>There are many, many types of mindhax

This is very wrong, mind hax by default is manipulation of the mind in some form or way, it having a shit ton of sub sets or applications is another thing

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Okay so is Itachi controlling Dante's nerves through mind manip or bio manip?

I could argue Dante resists both as he is able to no sell Body Puppetry and the demon world's mind hax.

His mind manip resistance is useless because his minds isn't directly affected. His biological manip resistance is useless because his nerves aren't being changed. His body Puppetry resistance is not being controlled by literal strings.


What Itachi does is give fake imput for nerves. You know the stuff your senses give to tell your brain what to fell? He fakes that, and without proof of resisting that, which isn't listed on his profile, Dante isn't resisting that.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

His mind manip resistance is useless because his minds isn't directly affected. His biological manip resistance is useless because his nerves aren't being changed. His body Puppetry resistance is not being controlled by literal strings.

Not only the nerves, the whole body is being changed

 

[Schnee_One]

<MIndhax discussion

Regret for making this, all of them

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

>There are many, many types of mindhax

This is very wrong, mind hax by default is manipulation of the mind in some form or way, it having a shit ton of sub sets or applications is another thing

Dude. We have several ability pages for sub-abilities of mindhax, and you want to tell me there aren't multiple types of it? (Social Influencing, Memory Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Madness Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, etc)

 

[Schnee_One]

Nitpick, but Social Influencing isn't considered mind manipulation