Dragon ball Z speed upgrades?

[Amlad22]

This is something that I've just noticed recently that's had me scratching my head. Currently every single DBZ top tier including Vegito are ranked at FTL+ instead of massively FTL where they belong.

I mean Goku has a FTL feat in his base form when he was only in the Frieza saga. Even if we say he only got twice as fast by the time the Buu saga came around (lowball of the century), he would still be massively FTL in ssj2 and ssj3 because of the 100x and 400x multipliers.

Is there a reason why these multipliers are being ignored? Since if there isn't a reason I think it's time to upgrade anyone from the Cell Saga and forward to massively FTL.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

We don't use super saiyan multipliers on here only kaioken

 

[Amlad22]

Why only use some of the multipliers? That doesn't really matter though. They are still massively FTL via scaling.

Goku was already 20x light with kaioken in the Frieza saga. And his power grew tens of times over by the time the Buu saga came around.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Because the kaioken multipliers are stated within the source material and stated to explicitly multiply speed.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Actually, they were supposed to get downgraded recently. No way they're getting an upgrade.

 

[Amlad22]

The only way I can see a downgrade would be if the base Goku calc was wrong? Is that the case?

As for the multipliers, ssj multipliers have also been stated in official data books and are confirmed through power levels in the source material.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

See that's the thing power levels aren't linear, I personally think they're fine to use in an A>B>C logic kind of way but anything further is just guessing and the SSJ multipliers were never stated in the source material.

 

[Amlad22]

I guess you're right. It's just really weird that someone like Super Vegito is considered as less than 5x faster than kaioken Goku from the Frieza saga.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

It is but it's better safe than sorry, although if ya ask anyone im sure they realize someone like Vegito is significantly faster but without a solid value all we can say is faster character>slower character.

 

[Amlad22]

Who is knowledgable about dbz on this wiki? I'll try to talk about this with them.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

I wouldnt know, im not exactly a veteran here myself. I like to think I'm well versed in DB but I dont hold authority of any kind here so it wouldn't matter, in my opinion though if your best bet is using ssj multipliers and power levels to get higher results it ain't gonna cut it for reasons I stated above. With those the best ya can get is an unquantifiable but large amount faster which is already the case.

 

[Dark649]

I know a lot about dragon ball. There was the discussion about if Frieza lasers are really moving at FTL and the databooks are really vague on this, also the at least FTL+ speed is ok because it is a low-end even by multipliers there will be required a very vast margin in order to reach Massively FTL.

 

[Amlad22]

I was making this thread on the assumption that Goku was FTL by the Frieza saga. So if that gets debunked it would be a different story. But as of now Goku is FTL in base and 20x light speed in kaioken x20. and I think we can all agree that people like Buuhan and Super Vegito are more than 5x faster than Goku from the Frieza saga. So massively FTL isn't far fetched at all, it actually makes more sense unless base Goku FTL is debunked.

 

[Dark649]

I repeat the gap from FTL+ to Massively FTL is massive and the multpliers in speed like 5x are not enough to reach that speed, also we don't know how faster the characters are after said multiplier without powerscaling.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

What is this, 2006?

• 1 Super Saiyan Multipliers are never stated on show, and are inconsistent with the actual evidence (See the gap between SSJ1 Gohan and SSJ2 Gohan)
• 2 Super Saiyan Multipliers are power level based (3,000,000 to 150,000,000). Power levels are not linear and not reliable.
• 3 Son Goku being FTL in base was debunked. He's becoming FTL only as a Super Saiyan. That was accepted but the changes were never applied. Someone should do it.
• 4 We cannot apply linear scaling from strength to speed. If we did, literally every character would be MFTL+ by Tier 5. Blitzing feats are nice, but they only get you so far.

 

[Dark649]

Especially from what we have seen in Super, i agree with Matthew.

 

[SomebodyData]

@Dark What are you talking about "from what we have seen in Super"?

But yeah Matt for the most part is right.

 

[Aceraspire]

Who is knowledgable about dbz on this wiki? I'll try to talk about this with them.

I am,ask me anything you want on my wall.

Also check seth's and ssjryu yt channels,they are best for DB

 

[SomebodyData]

Really, a lot of people are knowledgeable on the series, but that doesn't necessarily make them a good option...

Eh, not to mention, this thread is concluded anyways. It should be closed.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will do so.