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Would the Low 2-C stuff apply only to the gods of destruction and angels (since they are superior)?
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Dragon Ball Super Revision Thread Z
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I'm not necessarily against Beerus and Champa being Low 2-C from Vados statement of them being capable of destroying both Universe 6 and 7. However, If this goes through, Than wouldn't it be a stretch to say the Goku and the others are infinitely times weaker than them? I definately do think, that's a huge stretch to say. If you were to do this, than you should upgrade the others for it to make sense?
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I think I remember it being mentioned that Beerus' and Goku's clash would make a void.
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I'm around 80% sure the "Low 2-C" stuff has been debunked repeatedly.
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K, do you think you know who debunked it or what they stated to debunk it?
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Well at the very least I know that the whole "Goku and Beerus would've made U7 a void" thing was debunked because that in no way implies they would destroy space-time.
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I think Azzy kind of debunked it on the Low 2-C Beerus and Champa thread but im not sure.
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The shockwaves only did 3-D damage or something like that.
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why isn't there a profile for kunshi?
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Because no one has made the page.Ssr4vegito said:
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https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/941783
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/396061
Here are the threads where it was refused (there are more but I did not look for them), but that does not prevent us from discussing this
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/396061
Here are the threads where it was refused (there are more but I did not look for them), but that does not prevent us from discussing this
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Well i suppose we could give those who belive in Low 2-C Top Tiers a chance to voice their opinion.
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Well to destroy the afterlife, they would've had to transcend the space time of the mortal universe.
Well to destroy the afterlife, they would've had to transcend the space time of the mortal universe.
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Didn't Goku said time was different at heaven?
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Well, I think that Low 2-C is too much for now.
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True, we just made 80% of the verse 3-A, I think any further upgrades should definitely wait until the tournament is over this time, lol.
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I did, but Somebody told me that this thread is for all the upgrades in DBS in general and is used as long as there is a possibility that there is an upgrade, which is better than making new threads. Also there is SSG Goku High-Low Regenerationn and Post Mystic Water Goku Precognition to discuss.
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If precog is on the table ill post 2 instances of Goku showing it off in Super when I get back.
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Before the thread gets closed, I'd like to voice my opinion regarding the Beerus and Champa topic, since I'm the one who effectively convinced some of the staff to bring it up...
Vados clearly stated that the destruction of U6 and 7 would be a side effect of Beerus and Champa battle, if they were ever to fight.
To do so, they would have to destroy the afterlifes as well, along with the mortal realms. The former and the latter form both those GoD's respective universes. Mind you, the reason for Zen'o's current tiering isn't the destruction of the 12 universes alone, since they're regarded as one giant universe, but the destruction of the afterlife of each universe. Beerus and Champa would've done the same exact thing, except on a lower scale, aka 2 universes instead of 12.
Hence why "At least Low 2-C", since nowhere was it mentioned that they have to be at full power to perform said feat, and the fact that we still don't know Beerus' limits, nor do we know the limits of any other GoD so far.
This warrants for a near guaranteed upgrade for DBS's Top Tiers. The only thing you could argue is wether or not the afterlifes are spereated from the mortal realm by space-time, but then what about Zen'o, whose tiering was depending on the afterlifes being seperate? Either that or you could put Zen'o back at Low 2-C, if this doesn't get accepted...
Vados clearly stated that the destruction of U6 and 7 would be a side effect of Beerus and Champa battle, if they were ever to fight.
To do so, they would have to destroy the afterlifes as well, along with the mortal realms. The former and the latter form both those GoD's respective universes. Mind you, the reason for Zen'o's current tiering isn't the destruction of the 12 universes alone, since they're regarded as one giant universe, but the destruction of the afterlife of each universe. Beerus and Champa would've done the same exact thing, except on a lower scale, aka 2 universes instead of 12.
Hence why "At least Low 2-C", since nowhere was it mentioned that they have to be at full power to perform said feat, and the fact that we still don't know Beerus' limits, nor do we know the limits of any other GoD so far.
This warrants for a near guaranteed upgrade for DBS's Top Tiers. The only thing you could argue is wether or not the afterlifes are spereated from the mortal realm by space-time, but then what about Zen'o, whose tiering was depending on the afterlifes being seperate? Either that or you could put Zen'o back at Low 2-C, if this doesn't get accepted...
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Like I said before, I could see myself accepting this, if I didn't consider it an outlier. (via Tiering System itself) If you upgrade Beerus and Champa to low 2-C, than you're going to have to upgrade everyone else, because I can guaranteed you that Beerus isn't an infinite amount stronger than Goku and the others.
I could at most, see Beerus and Champa being at 3-A | Possibility Low 2-C. (Either this, an outlier, or downgrade Zeno)
I could at most, see Beerus and Champa being at 3-A | Possibility Low 2-C. (Either this, an outlier, or downgrade Zeno)
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I do not have a side as for whether or not this is accepted. The problem here is ( I am saying this a lot lately ) whether this IS an outlier for the GoDs , because like Sid said, they have never had an upper limit in power anyways , besides the hierarchy of power like Whis , Daikinashan , and Zeno . Other than that...
Goku and Beerus also was destroying the entirety of the Afterlife as well. It may or may not be legitimate [ Some admins told me a mixture of yes and no ] ... But there is one instance... I do remember them syaing that the time-space is different. So in order to destroy or even affect the afterlifes, in a way, their punches would have to had affect them .
Goku and Beerus also was destroying the entirety of the Afterlife as well. It may or may not be legitimate [ Some admins told me a mixture of yes and no ] ... But there is one instance... I do remember them syaing that the time-space is different. So in order to destroy or even affect the afterlifes, in a way, their punches would have to had affect them .
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So about the precog thing.
Watch this video starting at the 1:30 mark. To sum things up, Goku attacked, then his body instinctively jumped back, Beerus then noted had finally decided to attack.
The other part in Super where Goku demonstrated precog is when he fought Hit. Goku had to literally predict where Hit was gonna show up then counter attack.
Watch this video starting at the 1:30 mark. To sum things up, Goku attacked, then his body instinctively jumped back, Beerus then noted had finally decided to attack.
The other part in Super where Goku demonstrated precog is when he fought Hit. Goku had to literally predict where Hit was gonna show up then counter attack.
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Pretty sure with Hit it was mostly reading his opponent and predicting, not actual precog.
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How do read someone who can completely preposition himself within a time stop?
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Because that's happened? I never said it made sense but that's what happened, pretty sure it's even said he's merely predicting where he'll attack.
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IIRC he predicted where he would be 0.1s in the future.
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Yes, im almost certain in regard to the hit fight it was just prediction.
Although i do agree with limited precognition.
Although i do agree with limited precognition.
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I have been trying to argue this ever since the Hit fight.TheJ-ManRequiem said:
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While i agree the reason is not because of Hit, there was no precog there, I agree with limited precog, he's used it before so it should be added but that wasnt one of those times.
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I don't agree with limited precognition. For one thing it's not something stated in show which is an important part to knowing if something is precog or not. We all know Goku is a master fighter and guessing someone's next move is not pre cog but just combat adaptation which is something anyone can do with enough mastery over martial art. I would like or rather need a statement that says it's precog or something explicitly shown(for example that moment with Jiren could be considered a precog moment but that could also be argued it's just him being a master martial artist and reacting quick enough.)
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