Dragon Ball Super Revision Thread Z

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@Dark649

I also recommend that you try to use videos instead of Screenshots to argue because still images can ommit a lot of context.

For instance, this pic when devoid of context might lead one to believe Krillin and 18 are comparable. But when you actually look at the full scene you'll see that 18 is much stronger even while holding back.

 

[Golden_Void]

Base Gohan in Buu saga is definitely High 4-C. Also by managing to annoy and slightly harm 2nd form Cell, Tien should be far above Krillin and 18. 4-B Tien and Roshi? (;

 

[Dark649]

Android 18 helping 17 does not, in any way, shape or form, confirm that they are equal in power. We actually need feats for that and 3-A feats for 18 would be outliers since she has never trained.

Fat Buu also never trained, yet he defeated Basill.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Fat Buu is 4-B. Pretty sure that's just PIS or an Outlier.

Just because Dragon Ball is a continuous story doesn't mean outliers don't exist.

 

[Dark649]

Buu profile will remains as it is since Buu defeating Amped Basill is a main plot event that it happened.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

You upgraded Buu to 3-A despite no one ever agreeing to 3-A Buu. Reverting the edits.

 

[Dark649]

I will keep revert it, like it or not via the reasoning i posted.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Buu becoming stronger via training literally only lasted 1 episode and was a gag. Buu got bored and became Fat again.

 

[Dark649]

Because Toei wanted him to be replaced by Frieza, Goku was confident he was strong enough to measure for the tournament and Basill did not became that stronger.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It's perfectly possible for Basil to have grown in power and if you actually look at the Buu vs Basill fight, Buu won mostly through his regen and his body being jelly-like.

 

[Dark649]

If the characters became much stronger with than before with little training like Piccolo, it's Toei decision.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

By that logic, Superman being High 1-B via feats is DC Comics' decision and we shouldn't argue about it being an outlier.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

>Little training like Piccolo

Piccolo has been training ever since the Buu Saga ended and spend several arcs doing intense training with Gohan and has repeatedly shown high-end feats.

Buu is revealed to have just started training in an episode by Mr. Satan, becoming skinny, Goku and Buu fight with Goku holding back in Base, and he comments he's stronger. By the next episode Buu has reverted to being a fat slob.

It was a red-herring gag.

 

[Dark649]

If Buu was reduced to just a gag, then i will revert the edit. High 4-C for Roshi, Krillin and Tien is ok.

 

[Dark649]

So, we should add a third note saying that Buu fight with Basill is outlier or we add a 4-B key for Basill?.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I think we should just consider it an outlier.

 

[Dark649]

Ok, i will write it.

 

[The_Everlasting]

I don't see why we need an entire note just for saying something is an outlier.

 

[Antvasima]

It is probably best to write a footnote explanation about the outlier for the Buu profile

 

[Dark649]

Because people will make threads for upgrading Buu.

 

[Soldier_Blue]

I don't see why we need an entire note just for saying something is an outlier.

Well there would certainly be no harm in having the note.

And what Dark649 said.

 

[The_Everlasting]

We don't do these kinds of notes for literally any other pages, I don't see why Buu needs to be the exception.

People will likely make the threads anyway. Notes haven't stopped things like people trying to use Kai.

 

[Soldier_Blue]

We do actually have such notes on a few profiles. The AT-ST profile is an example.

 

[Antvasima]

By my experience we will avoid a large amount of repetitive upgrade threads if we include a footnote explanation.

 

[Soldier_Blue]

People will likely make the threads anyway. Notes haven't stopped things like people trying to use Kai.

That is a good point. But then we would at least have a solid rule and written material to back up immediate thread closures.

 

[Antvasima]

And yes, we do tend to use such footnote explanations when it seems useful.

 

[Dark649]

Here the note: Buu fight with Basill is considered outlier since he slept for most of the arcs and was not shown to become significally stronger, then fought a casual suppressed Goku as Skinny Buu, but he quicky lost this form and started to sleep again.

 

[Soldier_Blue]

How about:

Buu's fight with Basill is considered outlier since he slept for most of the arcs and was not shown to get significally stronger, then fought a casual suppressed Goku as Skinny Buu, but he quicky lost this form and started to sleep again. All this points to a gag routine and not serious feats.

The word "gag" be important here.

 

[Antvasima]

I am fine with Soldier Blue's suggested wording.

 

[Golden_Void]

We consider far too many feats for DB an outlier.

1. Shouldn't Buu saga Gohan be 4-B for fighting Dabura who was stated to be equal to Cell's?

2. Buu only beat Basil because the drugs wore off, but the only reason Basil could contend with Buu and take his full power is because of the drugs so..

3. I think the humans are 4-B, at least Tien and Roshi. Krillin, idk, and definitely not Yamcha.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Dabura was equal to Perfect Cell not the 4-B one IIRC

 

[Dark649]

1] Gohan was SS against Dabura and Vegeta stated he got weaker since he had to study.

2] Still outlier.

3] High 4-C is more reasonable.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Anyway, I will upgrade the Z Warriors.

 

[Golden_Void]

1. He still fought Dabura

2. I know, I didn't suggest 3-A Buu

3. K

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Upgraded Tien, Roshi and Krillin. You can adjust the profiles of the dudes who fought them.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Nevermind, only Ganos needed change.

Anyway, is this page even necessary anymore?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Durability_of_DBZ_Characters

It was written back when Battle of Gods was the most recent thing.

 

[Dark649]

It should be deleted since, it actually not important currently, also the only thing that remains is the speed revision, which Matt can safely perform.

 

[Antvasima]

The page does seem outdated, yes.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I gotta do house chores now but I'll try to update the speeds this afternoon.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the help.