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Ok if that's the case I guess they scale to 3-B but not 3-B+ right?
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 89
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I was talking bout Kale individually. Sorry I didn't make it clear.Spinoirr said:
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I'll reread the ToP arc and give my input later if a CRT is made because there's a lot of gaps in my memory rn.
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Well, Champa said he could destroy U7, and Jiren is stronger than him before adapting to Goku.
It goes something like:
UI Goku > Adapted Jiren > Base Jiren > VS SSBE Jiren > VS CSSBKK Jiren >> CSSBKK Goku >> CSSB Goku = GoD Candidate
If we assume Jiren powered up 2x each time, and was 2x the power of CSSBKK Goku the multipliers would be like
CSSBKK = 2x CSSB
Restrained Jiren = 4x CSSB
VS SSBE Jiren = 8x CSSB
Base Jiren = 16x CSSB > Champa = 3-A
So at this scale, anyone 16x ToP CSSB Goku would be 3-A. That includes SS Broly, Post-ToP Frieza and possibly Moro arc Goku and Moro arc Vegeta.
I don't think Kefla qualifies for 3-A, unless there is a statement comparing her to Champa. She isn't far though, considering Vados claims she is 'unmatched'.
It goes something like:
UI Goku > Adapted Jiren > Base Jiren > VS SSBE Jiren > VS CSSBKK Jiren >> CSSBKK Goku >> CSSB Goku = GoD Candidate
If we assume Jiren powered up 2x each time, and was 2x the power of CSSBKK Goku the multipliers would be like
CSSBKK = 2x CSSB
Restrained Jiren = 4x CSSB
VS SSBE Jiren = 8x CSSB
Base Jiren = 16x CSSB > Champa = 3-A
So at this scale, anyone 16x ToP CSSB Goku would be 3-A. That includes SS Broly, Post-ToP Frieza and possibly Moro arc Goku and Moro arc Vegeta.
I don't think Kefla qualifies for 3-A, unless there is a statement comparing her to Champa. She isn't far though, considering Vados claims she is 'unmatched'.
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Kale should be 3-B only, and Kefla 3-B+. Toppo and Vegeta were caught off guard. Freeza wasn't going all-out and Goku almost never go all-out in the beginning of the fight or when he's testing his opponent.
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Yeah okay, the scaling isn't insane. Goku was using Ultra Instinct Omen/-Sign- in bursts. Although Gohan and Piccolo both still say Goku is vastly more powerful than before, even in just Blue.
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@AKM, I'm PCless now, wish I could help
Can you update DBS Goku's quote?
Can you update DBS Goku's quote?
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>Goku, after training with Merus, might actually be as powerful as Gogeta, and stronger than Broly...
... God no, manga scaling has become even more messed up than the anime.
... God no, manga scaling has become even more messed up than the anime.
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Gosh dang it, Toyotaro.
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Yea let's not jump the gun guys, the form may run out in a minute next chapter for all we know lol. I don't think Goku mastered UI yet or anything tbh. I say let's wait for now.
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I mean SSB Goku was always stronger than Gohan and Kefla imo. At least using CSSB if you want to high ball them. Golden Freeza is at best comparable to SSB IMO.
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Maybe, but wasn't CSSB characterized by lack of Aura around him? So I always assumed it's an extra form he has to go into.BlackeJan said:
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That seems to be it yes. Pretty much the same concept, but recolored lol.Dragomer said:
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But when he went SSB in this chapter he had an Aura for a bit. Or maybe I'm imagining things. If I got that wrong my bad. Actually I'll go recheck.
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k seems you're right. He had the aura when he initially transformed, but then he lost it for the rest of the fight. So it was CSSB.
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k seems you're right. He had the aura when he initially transformed, but then he lost it for the rest of the fight. So it was CSSB.
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Nah. The Broly film is canon to both the anime and manga, and both the film and novel had SS Gogeta scale to over 50x SSB Goku and Frieza fight SS Broly for over an hour.BlackeJan said:
At most, CSSB Goku is around Golden Frieza in the Broly film, but Frieza has had three months to do god knows what.
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Nah. The Broly film is canon to both the anime and manga, and both the film and novel had SS Gogeta scale to over 50x SSB Goku and Frieza fight SS Broly for over an hour.
At most, CSSB Goku is around Golden Frieza in the Broly film, but Frieza has had three months to do god knows what.
I meant just in the manga. Also even if that's the case then how does a CSSB be a thing for anime ver. when u still see the aura unlike the manga
At most, CSSB Goku is around Golden Frieza in the Broly film, but Frieza has had three months to do god knows what.
I meant just in the manga. Also even if that's the case then how does a CSSB be a thing for anime ver. when u still see the aura unlike the manga
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Have you, uh, read the latest chapter yet? Goku's aura is identical to the film.BlackeJan said:
I think you might be misremembering the explanation for Blue. The stamina strain only applies after using the form for a while or reverting and transforming without rest. Goku doesn't need to use CSSB if he is fully rested.
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Well, he did have his aura briefly when clashing with Broly physically but, yes, it was mostly contained outside of boosted flight. His aura was even contained when he was deflecting and dodging the shards of energy released from Broly's aura.BlackeJan said:
He also has peak stamina when he first transforms, so he wouldn't need to use a technique as dangerous as CSSB until it begins to dwindle.
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I'm pretty sure Completed Super Saiyan Blue replaces vanilla Super Saiyan Blue, like how Fourth Grade Super Saiyan replaced First Grade. I may be remembering this wrong, it's been awhile.
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What you're saying makes a lot of sense. What threw me off before was Toyotaro previously treating it like a different form that needs to be accessed you know? But CSSB replacing regular SSB makes a lot more sense to me.Nullflowerblush said:
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Toyotaro throw away half the stuff he introduce immediatly TBH, because he has the fanfiction writer disease, where you think you're smart and adding to the world building by adding 20 freaking limitation and specification to a straightforward principle / ability but you're just painting yourself in a corner 99.999% of the time.
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