Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 76

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Doubling the size of a 2-B cosmology is just a higher degree of 2-B, not 2-A so yeah.

 

[Dragomer]

I didn't even say DBH, i said World Mission, in World Mission, DBH is a video game just like 'canon DB' is a video game in DBH.

And once again, i talked about doubling the setting, not doubling the cosmology or timeline, because now you litteraly have two 'DB Heroes' group going around, Beat's group that met CC Goku and is under the wing of Xeno Goku and stuff and the player character's group that met TOP Goku and Vegeta and are under the wing of Time Patrol Trunks / Great Saiyanman 3, that's what i meant by 'doubling the setting'.

And anyway it's not because the Wiki doesn't accept 2-A DBH that i have to share that opinion.

 

[InfiniteBlack123]

Ya doubling the World is a simplified way of explaining what is happening. Its more like adding a more advanced dimension over an already advanced dimension.


Like World Mission Characters look at DBH as a fictional Universe.


Db Heros look at DB canon and Xenoverse as a smaller fictional Universe.


It is like this.

If all of DB, every possible reality was compressed into one infinite multiverse, that would be Xenoverse which is Hight 2A, lowballed to 2B for "reasons".

Then you have normal Heros which is beyond the Xenoverse. Which by definition makes it a Hyperverse.


Then you have Heros World Mission which is even higher than all of DBH. Which makes it an Outerverse over a hyperverse.


What the main Baddie did is alot more complex than just Doubeling the cosmology.

 

[BlackPAIN99]

Although, you know what would be funny? If we decided to upgrade all the DBH characters to 2-A and watched them all get shitstomped by everyone in the tier.

The same has been said about 3-A and Low 2-C.

I would say they were quite solid in these areas.

Everything that doesn't have broken Regenerationn or immortality is simply AP stomped or when it comes to Demigra: (Insert 4-D Mind Hax Meme here)

They may not be SMT or Digimon, but they won't be the weakest verse either.

 

[InfiniteBlack123]

Speaking of Hax I feel this game upps the ante for Haxes and resistance available for DB

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

>Hyperverse and Outerverse

I'm.....not even going to acknowledge that with a laugh.

>3-A and Low 2-C

Keep in mind that like, 90% of the tier stomps them and the other 10% is what is put up against them, in which said 10% is in the same situation as DB. 2-A is the same but it's like, 98% of the tier. They might be able to cop a win here and there but like, the entire tier is filled with Madokas, Enerjaks, Time Devourers, and Lucemons. They'd stand absolutely no chance. At best Demigra can get a few wins.

 

[Dragomer]

Meh, in that game litteraly every single characters is just as customisable as the Future Warrior in Xenoverse 2 and has access to almost every single ability availlable and there are litteraly hundreds of them.

'Muh Hax stomps' stop being an argument when you have list of abilities that freaking long, hell, you can time freeze acausal beings through the 'freeze' or 'Goku's freeze technique' ability, something that Novel Kars fans use all the time as a trump card feat 'has time stopped an acausal being' was accepted as a reasonement multiple time on this very wiki.

And that's litteraly just 1 DBH game out of dozens that never came to the west.

Also Demigra gets lot of Hax wins himself and most Low 2-C fights have to have 'speed equalised' for the opponent to have a chance because they'd get speedblitzed into oblivion before pulling any of their hax and it's not like they can compete in raw power since Goku alone is one of the hightest Low-2-C in term of raw power going by most accepted scaling chain.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Time stopping type 1 acausals is nothing impressive though. That only makes you immune to time paradoxes.

 

[Dragomer]

Time stopping type 1 acausals is nothing impressive though. That only makes you immune to time paradoxes.

Demigra and the Dark Empire aren't really just type 1 though, neither are the angels and Zen'oh since even history rebooting didn't affect them.

Hell, most of the Dark Empire ignore all form of time entirely since they are far above Demigra that absorbed Toki Toki.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

What you just described is literally type 1 acausality.

 

[Dragomer]

What you just described is literally type 1 acausality.

The Acausal Novel Kars time stopped was still litteraly bound by time though.

Also nope, it cover type 1 to type 3.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

What are you even trying to say?

Being unaffected by history rebooting = being unaffected by changes in the past = type 1 acausality.

 

[Dragomer]

What are you even trying to say?
Being unaffected by history rebooting = being unaffected by changes in the past = type 1 acausality.

nope, the history thing was past, present and future and as i said, Demigra had control over all time and space and pretty much all characters have type 2 acausality since Demigra and Co can't just spam time travel themself back to a fight and neither can the good guy.

'Type 2: Temporal Singularity: Characters with this type of Acausality do not exist in either the past or the future, only the present. This means they cannot be affected by changes to the past, while also making them resistant to Precognition that works by viewing the future, as they do not exist within it, and Fate Manipulation, for the same reason. In essence, they are able to choose their own fates, but they remain just as vulnerable at the point in time in which they do exist.'

That's litteraly the entirety of the dark empire, hell, technicaly they don't even exist in the present either since their goal is to come back from being totaly sealed out of everything, including time.

and Type 3 acausality is litteraly how Demigra and Towa keep coming back after being killed (except Demigra does it with his energy instead of other versions.)

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Dude, that's just space-time manipulation. Nothing to do with acausality.

 

[Dragomer]

Did you even read what i wrote ?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Bro, all the haxes in XV barring Demigra is like, incredibly basic. With the sole exception of the MG regen, it would be completely useless on a 2-A level as even Kirby (who's not even that hax tbh) managed to overcome it when the two fought at 4-A. Let alone 2-As who put that to shame. Also like, all of 2-A is either infinite, immeasurable, or omnipresent.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Did you even read what i wrote ?

I did read what you wrote, and it makes no sense.

 

[AKM sama]

Someone make a new thread.

 

[HST_Master]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2927971?useskin=oasis

Done.