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Dragon Ball Heroes Revision: Time

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If I remember Sugoroku Space in GT was described as being in the gaps between space and time or dimensions which could be supporting help.

Yea episode 31 of GT.

Which further supports that this between dimensions gap is the "subspace" which houses realms like RoSaT and Sugoroku Space.
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Dereck03 said:
Because space and time are not linked to existence, right, we are not talking about something alive but a realm, it has its laws, also the same description of the Room of Spirit and Time says that it is a space in a different dimension where time is disorted, so we have many contradictions here. So the safest thing to say would be that it has no concept of the space and time that would regularly exist in the verse per se, but that it has its own laws related to them and as I said, there is no proof that it is a non-existent or empty place if it is capable of harboring life in it unless clearly that life was specified as non-existent
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Not linked, but an equipvalent, you can't exactly say a realm is alive in the first place to require it to have concept of existence.

Law meaning nothing, since law is an abstraction that do not actually alive or dead. Also nothing say it have its own Law actually

It isn't Room of Spirit and Time, it is called <Subspace>

A void can habouring life, can house stuff, the nature of the void still do not change, it isn't an anti-proof contradict the nature of the void, we multiple times have void in fiction that either house timeline and thing, is they not void anymore??? No
Dereck03 said:
If they could prove that this space is the same as described by the OP then there would be no problem on the proposal, but they are two very different things.
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There is a guidebook also stated World of Void do not have concept of time and space, but sadly, iirc currently the World of Void is not accepted by the wiki as true Void
 
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TheGodOfICE777 said:
Also I would like to mention even if you wanna argue that only WoV would qualify for NEP.
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The scan tells us that the tournament will take place in a dimension with no concept of space and time and this is similar to the El Manga Legendario in the sense that, that book is licensed by Shuiesha.

This book is licensed by toei animation

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Don't you have a better picture, bro?
 
It does quite literally say that the WoV lacks the concepts. Would that give Daishinkan conceptual manipulation? Sorry thinking again this might be a derail so feel free to leave it and it can be discussed in some other time.
 
TheGodOfICE777 said:
Also I would like to mention even if you wanna argue that only WoV would qualify for NEP.
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The scan tells us that the tournament will take place in a dimension with no concept of space and time and this is similar to the El Manga Legendario in the sense that, that book is licensed by Shuiesha.

This book is licensed by toei animation

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This is proven wrong by the series, we know that time exists there and spatial warping abilities work too
 
Hypertornado099 said:
This is proven wrong by the series, we know that time exists there and spatial warping abilities work too
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There are no spatial warping ability that work actually, if you talking about Hakai warp thing, it only warp the void, the limited spatial shit is my mistake back in.......2020??? iirc

Serlock_Holmes said:
It does quite literally say that the WoV lacks the concepts. Would that give Daishinkan conceptual manipulation? Sorry thinking again this might be a derail so feel free to leave it and it can be discussed in some other time.
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Did we even have proof that he created WoV??, or it is already there??, it is fine for DBH cause it have been state multiple times that Time Energy responsible for everything
 
Vietthai96 said:
There are no spatial warping ability that work actually, if you talking about Hakai warp thing, it only warp the void, the limited spatial shit is my mistake back in.......2020??? iirc


Did we even have proof that he created WoV??, or it is already there??, it is fine for DBH cause it have been state multiple times that Time Energy responsible for everything
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No we don't have proof he created it the WoV we just know through the scan that before Daishinkan controlled it, it had no concepts of space and time which by the time of the tournament seems to exist, as well as gravity and some other much needed stuff.

From the wiki: https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Null_Realm
  • 大神官）開催する場所は 無の界。
    • Great Priest: The place where it held, is the Realm of Void.
  • （悟空) 無の界？
    • Goku: Realm of Void?
  • （ビルス）時間も空間もない 永遠と虚無だけに満ちた世界だ。
    • Beerus: A world without time and space, filled with only eternity and emptiness.
  • （大神官）無の界は　文字どおり 何もありませんので 思う存分　戦っていただいて 構いません。
    • Great Priest: The Realm of Void is just as its name. Since there is nothing in there, you can fight to your heart's content without worrying anything.
So it existed but didn't have the concepts of space and time. The only reason they would now be present is due to the Grand Priest. The eternity part would imply it's unchanging nature.
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
No we don't have proof he created it the WoV we just know through the scan that before Daishinkan controlled it, it had no concepts of space and time which by the time of the tournament seems to exist, as well as gravity and some other much needed stuff.

From the wiki: https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Null_Realm
  • 大神官）開催する場所は 無の界。
    • Great Priest: The place where it held, is the Realm of Void.
  • （悟空) 無の界？
    • Goku: Realm of Void?
  • （ビルス）時間も空間もない 永遠と虚無だけに満ちた世界だ。
    • Beerus: A world without time and space, filled with only eternity and emptiness.
  • （大神官）無の界は　文字どおり 何もありませんので 思う存分　戦っていただいて 構いません。
    • Great Priest: The Realm of Void is just as its name. Since there is nothing in there, you can fight to your heart's content without worrying anything.
So it existed but didn't have the concepts of space and time. The only reason they would now be present is due to the Grand Priest. The eternity part would imply it's unchanging nature.
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Well, control a Void devoid of concept of time and space only grant him Void hax, unless there is a proof that he create the Realm, CM for GP is a no, anyway this problem isn't related to this thread so we should stop here
 
Vietthai96 said:
Well, control a Void devoid of concept of time and space only grant him Void hax, unless there is a proof that he create the Realm, CM for GP is a no, anyway this problem isn't related to this thread so we should stop here
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Yeah we can talk about it some other time. Back to the matter at hand.

I don't think he would qualify by rereading the ability so spatial and time manipulation fit well
 
The World of Void shouldn't be used as evidence given it being timeless was contradicted in the canon.

It's fine even without it, so go ahead and remove it.
 
StrymULTRA said:
Then Beerus is wrong/hyperbolic/deluded, because showings prove the opposite.
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TheGodOfICE777 said:
Uh, no? It’s proven correctly by the series since it’s stated to be a void with no time and space. Grand Priest adds space and time when creating his arena.
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TheGodOfICE777 said:
It’s not stated specifically, but he literally added the tournament arena. Then, the sky changed depending on the time which GP did. This isn’t even taking in consideration that he could affect the gravity of each person, as gravity is the curvature of space-time.
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In the sandbox it says

"Time is responsible for the existence of all dimensions, and Time Energy which gives birth to Time can create timelines, the multiverse itself. In these timelines there are dimensions such as the subspace which are stated to have no concept of time nor space. This means that Time Energy and Time itself are capable of creating dimensions/realms that are devoid of these concepts; in turn meaning that Time Energy and Time erased/removed these concepts from those dimensions, spaces, realms"

My only query with this is does "Time" also create the "spaces between universes/dimensions" or "subspaces"?

These don't exist within the universes but between them.

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Because it's possible that the subspace is just a void prior to Time itself, and then Time then creates universes within it, Tokitoki wouldn't be manipulating the subspace itself, creating it and removing concepts from it.
 
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EmperorRorepmeTwo said:
In the sandbox it says

"Time is responsible for the existence of all dimensions, and Time Energy which gives birth to Time can create timelines, the multiverse itself. In these timelines there are dimensions such as the subspace which are stated to have no concept of time nor space. This means that Time Energy and Time itself are capable of creating dimensions/realms that are devoid of these concepts; in turn meaning that Time Energy and Time erased/removed these concepts from those dimensions, spaces, realms"

My only query with this is does "Time" also create the "spaces between universes/dimensions" or "subspaces"?

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Because it's possible that the subspace is just a void prior to Time itself, and then Time then creates universes within it.
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<subspace> is a realm belong to macrocosm, and macrocosm is a part of timeline, Time create all thus also the <subspace>, you actually need to prove that this exist prior to the existence of timeline, the multiverse

Also, Time can restore everything even after the destruction or absorption of everything in the multiverse (inclues the <subspace>)
 
Vietthai96 said:
<subspace> is a realm belong to macrocosm, and macrocosm is a part of timeline, Time create all thus also the <subspace>, you actually need to prove that this exist prior to the existence of timeline, the multiverse

Also, Time can restore everything even after the destruction or absorption of everything in the multiverse (inclues the <subspace>)
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The scan doesn't say that the subspace belongs to any of the universes, it actually says that it exists outside and in between all universes devoid of space and time.

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If that's the case then where's the proof Tokitoki created this "space"?

Also why would recreating the multiverse require recreating this space? Destroying all space and time is reducing it to where there is no space and time whatsoever...which is identical to what the subspace is to begin with.
 
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