Dragon Ball Heroes Revision: Time

[Vietthai96]

The scan doesn't say that the subspace belongs to any of the universes, it actually says that it exists outside and in between all universes devoid of space and time.

it doesn't say universes, it say world, world =/= universe in DB context, it belong inside the macrocosm, the macrocosm contain multiple dimensions in itself, includes Room of Time and Spirit, and this realm or <subspace> literally exist between these dimensions inside a single macrocosm

If that's the case then where's the proof Tokitoki created this "space"?

Literally, he responsible for the existence of all dimensions, somehow do not includes the <subspace>????, you need to prove that

Also why would destroying the multiverse means require recreating this space? Destroying all space and time is reducing it to where there is no space and time whatsoever...which is identical to what the subspace is to begin with.

Mechikabura and other villain destroy everything, Tokitoki restore them, which mean it includes the <subspace>, and in order to recreate a realm devoid the concept of time and space, he again need to remove said concept

Anyway i need to go to sleep, it late night in my country

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

it doesn't say universes, it say world, world =/= universe in DB context, it belong inside the macrocosm, the macrocosm contain multiple dimensions in itself, includes Room of Time and Spirit, and this realm or <subspace> literally exist between these dimensions inside a single macrocosm

It's still not part of the dimensions, it's the space in-between the dimensions of the macrocosm which are devoid of space and time, basically the gaps between dimensions. So destroying a macrocosm isn't destroying this space.

Literally, he responsible for the existence of all dimensions, somehow do not includes the <subspace>????, you need to prove that

The subspace isn't a dimension, it literally states its the void in-between dimensions, technically it doesn't even count as a "dimension" or "existence".

Mechikabura and other villain destroy everything, Tokitoki restore them, which mean it includes the <subspace>, and in order to recreate a realm devoid the concept of time and space, he again need to remove said concept

These characters are destroying space and time, the multiverse. They wouldn't be destroying the gaps between universes where space and time doesn't even exist. Again the "subspace" isn't a dimension to be destroyed to begin with based on the scans you brought. Unless you have something else which proves these subspaces are actual dimensions in their own right.

Anyway i need to go to sleep, it late night in my country

Ok

 

[TiltedFN]

The subspace isn't a dimension, it literally states its the void in-between dimensions, technically it doesn't even count as a "dimension" or "existence".

Stop with the point "it's not a dimension" he is just calling it that to clarify what he's talking about. And It can still fall under the category of a dimension or existence, you're just being nitpicky.

These characters are destroying space and time, the multiverse. They wouldn't be destroying the gaps between universes where space and time doesn't even exist. Again the "subspace" isn't a dimension to be destroyed to begin with based on the scans you brought. Unless you have something else which proves these subspaces are actual dimensions in their own right.

Time power literally controls all of existence, all "dimensions", everything, it doesn't make sense to include everything but the subspace lmao, if anything, you'd need proof instead.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Time power literally controls all of existence, all "dimensions", everything, it doesn't make sense to include everything but the subspace lmao, if anything, you'd need proof instead.

The gaps between universes where space and time don't exist doesn't count as "existence".

What is being referred to is obviously space and time, the universes.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Idk what you're all on about, but Time Power controls everything in the whole cosmology.

"B-but it doesn't exist" Time Power has feats of affecting nonexistence.

Not only that, but this whole argument is a big reverse burden of proof.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Idk what you're all about, but Time Power controls everything in the whole cosmology.

"B-but it doesn't exist" Time Power has feats of affecting nonexistence.

It's pretty simple...

If the place devoid of the concepts of space and time is just the "space" between dimensions, then they're aren't part of the macrocosm. Destroying space and time is not destroying that "space" between dimensions, it's actually reducing everything to that "space" between dimensions.

Unless there are actual created realms said to be devoid of the concepts of space and time which is what I'm asking for

 

[Vietthai96]

It's still not part of the dimensions, it's the space inbetween the dimensions of the macrocosm which is devoid of space and time, basically the gaps between dimensions. So destroying a macrocosm isn't destroying this space.

and it still a part of macrocosm, which is a dimension in it own right, and macrocosm belong to a timeline which is also a dimension

The subspace isn't a dimension, it literally states its the voids in between dimensions, technically it doesn't even count as a "dimension" or "existence".

it is a dimension, or a realm, just because it is a void doesn't mean it isn't a realm, dimensions have multiple meaning in context, also this<subspace> isn't even considered as void by many at the moment, also at this point you going with sematic nitpicking, ngl

These characters are destroying space and time, the multiverse. They wouldn't be destroying the gaps between universes where space and time doesn't even exist. Again the "subspace" isn't a dimension to be destroyed to begin with based on the scans you brought. Unless you have something else which proves these subspaces are actual dimensions in their own right.

somehow they destroys everything, with characters stated these are nothing left, somehow still have something left, you need to prove on that on bro, and again, you sematic nitpicking the word void and dimension, despite actually, the <subspace> was never stated to be a void

If the place devoid of the concepts of space and time is just the "space" between dimensions, then they're aren't part of the macrocosm

Prove this, they aren't part of the macrocosm, you need evidences, not because you say so

Just something is a void, being non-existent doesn't mean it can't belong to something, that is a ridiculous argument

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

It's pretty simple, but it doesn't work that way. You can't take the whole context away to justify an argument.


These dimensions the Subspace contains are the HTC and the Sugoroku space btw, which already accepted as being part of the macrocosm.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

These dimensions the Subspace contains are the HTC and the Sugoroku space btw, which already accepted as being part of the macrocosm.

Are these created dimensions then and not voids?

If they are then I retract my disagreement

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

It's not part of any of the dimensions in the macrocosm, it's in between the dimensions of the macrocosm

Destroying the space and time of the macrocosm is not destroying the void.

The scans you provided doesn't say this, and that's what I'm going off

Your scan literally says it's just the gaps between dimensions which are devoid of space and time, of course they're voids in between dimensions and not actual dimensions themselves, at least based on the scan

The scans you posted says they aren't part of any of the dimensions in the macrocosm, they are what "is" between them

If it’s between the dimensions of the macrocosm its in the macrocosm but either way this is all in the timeline itself so it’s null

 

[Vietthai96]

It's not part of any of the dimensions in the macrocosm, it's in between the dimensions of the macrocosm

Destroying the space and time of the macrocosm is not destroying the space.

it still a part of a large macrocosm that contain it, wtf???

Your scan literally says it's just the gaps between dimensions which are devoid of space and time, of course they're voids in between dimensions and not actual dimensions themselves, at least based on the scan

again sematic nitpicking

The scans you posted says they aren't part of any of the dimensions in the macrocosm, they are what "is" between them

it don't belong to any of the world =/= they aren't a part of any dimensions, they are between dimensions, which those dimensions belong to a single macrocosm that contain them all, and then inside a larger timeline, you literally sematic nitpicking while ignore entire cosmology context, you need to prove it isn't a part of any dimensions, which mean isn't part of both macrocosm and timeline as a whole

Anyway honestly i'm tired of this, need to sleep now

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Anyway honestly i'm tired of this, need to sleep now

Before you go which guidebook did this come from?

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Before you go which guidebook did this come from?

Chouzenshuu 4

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Chouzenshuu 4

Thanks

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Scraped the internet for Chouzenshuu but no luck, physical copies are hard to get by too lol

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Scraped the internet for Chouzenshuu but no luck, physical copies are hard to get by too lol

It really do be like that. Fully translated daizenshuu PDF’s are everywhere, but Chouzenshuu raws are nonexistent.

 

[Vietthai96]

well, since no one have problem with the overall proposal of the thread (aside from some minor issue with the <Subspace> which i already answered), i'm gonna apply this thread when 48 hours mark is reached, which is tonight in my timezone

 

[Vietthai96]

Well, 48 hours mark has reached, i'm gonna apply the revision and lock this thread, thank you all for participating