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Dragon Ball GT powerscaling
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So...are we scaling to a feat, or are we really using power creep to go from 4-A to 3-C? If it's the latter, no offense, but that's inane, to say the least.
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No, it was, as he said, 1/77 of the new Galaxy range. We would do this for literally no other verse. The example I always love to use is that Pokemon top tiers are "at least Sub-Relativistic" when they'd don't need to even be 2x faster than Mid-Low tiers. Or characters who are tiers by existing and get an "At least." Tier jumping here is showing heavy bias.
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Granted, Omega Shenron and Gogeta, I'm cool with, if a little suspect on 3-B (I recall that being over time or via chain reaction), but I can deal with that, as I probably misremembered.
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It seems like I jumped the gun on accepting the calc, actually. I read that he compensated diameter for not showing the whole galaxy, nodded my head, and moved on. He actually didn't compensate enough at all. In his article he linked it also mentions that the visible matter of our galaxy has a diameter of 100,000 LY, and that we are only technically larger due to some extra stuff we're eating.
Still, the 200 someodd pixels aren't 110,000 LY.
Still, the 200 someodd pixels aren't 110,000 LY.
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BoGT Base Goku is stronger than SSJ3, and can then stack SSJ3 on top of that. 17 Saga SSJ1 Goku is stronger than BoGT SSJ3 Goku, and can then stack SSJ4 on top of that. And SSJ1 alone is at least a 20x multiplier. It's far more absurd that Dragon Saga SSJ4 Goku isn't 77x Kid Buu than to say he is.
For Pokemon that's because the gap between Low 2-C and 2-C is immensely high and pretty much unquantifiable. Not only 77x. And their speed can be upgraded if you want. We do the same thing for HnK's speeds.
For Pokemon that's because the gap between Low 2-C and 2-C is immensely high and pretty much unquantifiable. Not only 77x. And their speed can be upgraded if you want. We do the same thing for HnK's speeds.
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Top tiers, like Mewtwo. Not God tiers. And when I said by existing, I was referring to Akron. And I don't want their speed to be upgraded, as I set them that way because I was against tier jumping with power creep.
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At best, I could see Dragon Saga. But Super 17? Let alone Baby? That's clearly unacceptable.
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You can't claim we have some bias for DB and against Pokemon with our standards when it's you that created that standard with Pokemon, which we are fine with getting rid of.
Waking up is not the same as by mere existing. Also Akron has a Universe level high end so he doesn't need any tier jump from that feat.
SSJ1 is objectively stronger than KKx20. We should consider it at least a 20x multiplier. And again, Baby stomps SSJ3s stacked on top of SSJ3s. There's nothing "clearly unacceptable" about him being just 77x above Kid Buu. If anything that's a lowball.
Waking up is not the same as by mere existing. Also Akron has a Universe level high end so he doesn't need any tier jump from that feat.
SSJ1 is objectively stronger than KKx20. We should consider it at least a 20x multiplier. And again, Baby stomps SSJ3s stacked on top of SSJ3s. There's nothing "clearly unacceptable" about him being just 77x above Kid Buu. If anything that's a lowball.
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I...never said we had an anti-Pokémon bias. That was just my example. I could very well use a YYH or Digimon example.
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Assuming a 77x power increase for the next major villain alone isn't conservative, and DB is far from the only anime with constant increases. I'm okay with the dragons, sure. Maybe, maybe Super 17. But not Baby. If we had the same ideals for every other shounen, almost every big bad post feat would be at least a tier higher than the feat they're scaled to
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"Tier jumping here is showing heavy bias."
^ I was saying that the Pokemon example doesn't show some bias.
Either way saying that Baby is only 77x Kid Buu is very, very conservative.
We already don't use SSJ multipliers from the same official source we were so eager to call the DBverse 4 galaxies for years from. So at bare minimum we should accept the blatant fact that SSJ1 is superior to KKx20.
Now let's lowball even more horribly and assume SSJ3 is a nonexistent multiplier from SSJ1. So SSJ3 is still a 20x multiplier.
Baby is stronger than SSJ3 stacked on SSJ3. So a 20x multiplier stacked on a 20x multiplier.
Now let's violate basic math and say 20 times 20 is 77.
^ The most god awful downplaying imaginable still has Baby Saga characters at these levels.
^ I was saying that the Pokemon example doesn't show some bias.
Either way saying that Baby is only 77x Kid Buu is very, very conservative.
We already don't use SSJ multipliers from the same official source we were so eager to call the DBverse 4 galaxies for years from. So at bare minimum we should accept the blatant fact that SSJ1 is superior to KKx20.
Now let's lowball even more horribly and assume SSJ3 is a nonexistent multiplier from SSJ1. So SSJ3 is still a 20x multiplier.
Baby is stronger than SSJ3 stacked on SSJ3. So a 20x multiplier stacked on a 20x multiplier.
Now let's violate basic math and say 20 times 20 is 77.
^ The most god awful downplaying imaginable still has Baby Saga characters at these levels.
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Galaxy diameter: 460.01 px
Galaxy diameter real: 100,000 Light years
Pixel: 217.387 light years
Red zone: 32.24 px
Red zone real: 7008.557 light years, 3504.278 light year or 3.315x10^19 meter radius
Energy needed assuming Sun: 4*(5.696x10^41)*((3.315x10^19)/(6.957x10^8))^2 = 5.1731257x10^63 joules
Galaxy diameter real: 100,000 Light years
Pixel: 217.387 light years
Red zone: 32.24 px
Red zone real: 7008.557 light years, 3504.278 light year or 3.315x10^19 meter radius
Energy needed assuming Sun: 4*(5.696x10^41)*((3.315x10^19)/(6.957x10^8))^2 = 5.1731257x10^63 joules
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Keep in mind that I'm still heavily against using multipliers for any franchise, but that's besides the point, as I wasn't arguing about the KK stuff.
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I added my comment with my info to his post.
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I know some people are going to adamantly disagree with me on this. However if you say that SSJ1 is now inexplicably much weaker than KK and give it a 16x increase, assume that SSJ2, SSJ3 and SSJ4 are literally no multipliers at all, and purposely get your math off by 10, Baby would still be sufficiently stronger enough than Kid Buu to reach 3-C with Assalt's new calc.
(You need to be 245x Assalt's calc to be 3-C. 16 times 16 is 256. Then subtract 10 for no reason at all to get 246.)
I understand wanting to be conservative with scaling and not jumping a tier due to power creeps. However being as conservative, downplaying and plain mathematically wrong as possible still justifies the tier jump.
(You need to be 245x Assalt's calc to be 3-C. 16 times 16 is 256. Then subtract 10 for no reason at all to get 246.)
I understand wanting to be conservative with scaling and not jumping a tier due to power creeps. However being as conservative, downplaying and plain mathematically wrong as possible still justifies the tier jump.
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Cal accepted the math as well. If my version gets accepted the gap to 3-C got a little more than two times wider. So 77x to a bit over 160x.
Honestly mine isn't that different. I just expanded the galaxy and changed the red zone.
Honestly mine isn't that different. I just expanded the galaxy and changed the red zone.
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Which again, is why I'm so adamantly against using multipliers, but as long as we have them, you're fundamentally correct.
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And that's why I'm going to sleep lol. My mental math is breaking. Anyway I have no stance on the rest of this. I'm off to bed. Goodnight y'all.
Technically it is more than 160x :3
Technically it is more than 160x :3
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@Assalt Lol yeah. I should get to sleep too. Past midnight where I'm at.
I'll leave it to the majority. But my stance is, if making SSJ1 considerably weaker than Kaioken, having SSJ2 and SSJ3 not be multipliers at all and purposely getting your math off by 10 still isn't conservative enough, then it's pretty much impossible to not wank anything.
I'll leave it to the majority. But my stance is, if making SSJ1 considerably weaker than Kaioken, having SSJ2 and SSJ3 not be multipliers at all and purposely getting your math off by 10 still isn't conservative enough, then it's pretty much impossible to not wank anything.
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> Redoing calculations
Bro.
Anyway, I personally disagree with Assalt's scaling. I don't think half of the galaxy was cut off the screen.
Bro.
Anyway, I personally disagree with Assalt's scaling. I don't think half of the galaxy was cut off the screen.
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Although, you can use it if you want.
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It would technically not change the scaling at all, but I suppose you could change the link to Assaltwaffle's version if you want it to be over quickly.
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Actually, considering the Gap Between the calc and the lowrst end of 4-A, even Base Goku (Buu saga) would be 4-A, and therefor Trunks (GT). If something, the Piccolo statements is more of an upgrade than anythingAidenBrooks999 said:
Cough cough
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Aiden GT Trunks is not comparable to Base Goku nor RSS Broly, who did the 4-A feat and tanked G2 SS Vegeta. I assume him to be as strong as Anime Android 16 since he should be comparable or stronger than Pan that easily defeated Gero, so 4-B for them. GT Trunks only tried to fight Goku after being possessed by Baby, which boosted them.
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4-A is an immense tier
If SS3 Buu Goku is so into it, pretty sure someone stronger than his base (Yakon) should still 4-A, which scales to Trunks.
(Also, can someone upgrade Yakon to High 4-C in his canon profile? Really, his kilis are superior to that of Base goku, who is listed at High 4-C. But for some rrason he is scaled from Frieza Saga Goku, which is bulls***)
If SS3 Buu Goku is so into it, pretty sure someone stronger than his base (Yakon) should still 4-A, which scales to Trunks.
(Also, can someone upgrade Yakon to High 4-C in his canon profile? Really, his kilis are superior to that of Base goku, who is listed at High 4-C. But for some rrason he is scaled from Frieza Saga Goku, which is bulls***)
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Wait, what? Yakon is stronger than East Kaioshin, who can one-shot Freeza. He should be High 4-C.
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This.Kepekley23 said:
@Dark. Check his killis, I think they were something of 300-800 or something, while base Goku would around 60 (Because he is 3000 in SSJ)
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