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Dr. Clef vs Tricky the Clown
- Speed is equalized
- Dr. Clef is in his Third key
- Tricky is in his Second key
- Battle takes place in a void, with a large concrete platform under them
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negging the improbability drive doesn't do very much, at best it stops the world going to absolute shit, since almost all the abilities of the ID aren't combat applicable.Wonder if Clef could null the improbability Drive with the reality anchor, except for Probability Manipulation?
Blitzing someone isn't skill, nor will that matter since speed is equalized hereTricky is skilled yes, on par with Hank, but does it really compare to an Agent that frequently gets hits on 076-2 without him reacting?
If you dont know what it does, or how it works not really sure the point to bring it upClef also has some sort of Mind Hax that doesn't go into detail in the profile, Tricky probably doesn't have a resistance to it
Tricky has a corruption but Clef has the Atomic Revolver
Tricky can resurrect
Point still stands that he interacted with 076-2Blitzing someone isn't skill, nor will that matter since speed is equalized here
And I also don't see the point of leaving out valuable info to a debateIf you dont know what it does, or how it works not really sure the point to bring it up
Tricky doesn't use corruption in character, and Clef wont be able to hit him regardless due to higher reaction speeds
Yes. 3-4 times.
... by blitzing him? whats the point in bringing up the fact he blitzed someone?Point still stands that he interacted with 076-2
I dont see the point in bringing an ability up neither of us know how it works nor if clef even uses it In characterAnd I also don't see the point of leaving out valuable info to a debate
Mb, forgot tricky is the only person in the verse who doesn't have higher reaction speeds.Reactions are presumed to be equalized with the base opponent, I only see Supersonic on Tricky.
You do realize that he blitzed and sparred SCP-076-2 hence why his durability is High 8-C whose skill you'd presumably know... by blitzing him? whats the point in bringing up the fact he blitzed someone?
Found it, The Great Site-87 BakesaleI dont see the point in bringing an ability up neither of us know how it works nor if clef even uses it In character
"I've not even eaten it," Brisby frowned through a mouthful of strudel. He swallowed, his eyes widening. "That's pretty good. But can ya cut it out with this?"
"Oh, what harm did a little mind control ever do? Besides, if it tastes good, it tastes good." He held up three dollars between his fingers. "Let's see…"
You want me to believe Clef is comparably skilled to 076 because he sparred with him? i dont think i have to explain why that's outlandish...You do realize that he blitzed and sparred SCP-076-2 whose skill you'd presumably know
im gonna go out on a limb here and say that doesn't seem like he uses that actively in a fight, considering he used it during a bakesale-Found it, The Great Site-87 Bakesale
There's a reason why Clef has mid-regen after sustaining hits from 076-2 whos on par with him, you probably don't need to explain as doing that might also be akin to 096 being skilled due to fighting 682 who also fought 076-2 which I also don't need to explain why it's ridiculous.You want me to believe Clef is comparably skilled to 076 because he sparred with him? i dont think i have to explain why that's outlandish...
I mean the profile doesn't list it as non-combat applicable so?im gonna go out on a limb here and say that doesn't seem like he uses that actively in a fight, considering he used it during a bakesale-
He gets Mid-Regeneration for taking hits from 076, someone who's assumably comparable to him??? yeah im not buying that im gonna need a scan to exactly where he gets that regen.There's a reason why Clef has mid-regen after sustaining hits from 076-2 whos on par with him, you probably don't need to explain as doing that might also be akin to 096 being skilled due to fighting 682 who also fought 076-2 which I also don't need to explain why it's ridiculous.
rough, so non-combat applicable.Able Baker Charlie - SCP Foundation
The SCP Foundation's 'top-secret' archives, declassified for your enjoyment.scp-wiki.wikidot.com
The regen took months I think, I think beating reality warpers like SCP-166, SCP-531-D, and SCP-239 on a constant basis sounds more impressive than what you just described, he's basically superior to agents he works with who have combat training, he is also a former GOC agent, and his training is likely better as GOC training is usually considered superior to military training.
Tricky can amp his speed to become faster, which is gonna make even with precog difficult to keep up with him.Clef does have precog so he'd be able to see a couple of hours into the future and know what motive Tricky has in store.
uhhh nothing? he doesn't need to. his reality warping isn't combat applicable.What does Tricky have that counters Clef's own reality warping even with his telekill that negates anomalous abilities?
Clef doesn't need it either wayrough, so non-combat applicable.
Does he do it right away? the precog is a huge barrier that would be very difficult to overcome especially with Clef's decent skill and blitzTricky can amp his speed to become faster, which is gonna make even with precog difficult to keep up with him.
Which one?uhhh nothing? he doesn't need to. his reality warping isn't combat applicable.
He upscales from 5.2 Tonsalso on a side note what are we using for Clef's AP? Cause if we use the baseline of Large Building (2 Tons of TNT), Tricky has an AP advantage of 4x. Which can also be increased with his empowerment.
In the Djoricverse key, Clef has access to Telekill which nullifies and resists the effects of several powerful type green reality benders like SCP-166, SCP-531-D, and especially SCP-239. So in his range the Improbability Drive is rendered useless to him.The Reality Anchor argument also doesn't exactly work to my knowledge. Because I think it's only part of the Kaktusverse key. Which we aren't using.
he definitely does... Tricky has 3-4 resurrections to bring himself back to his peak... you trying to tell me while he's at a speed disadvantage, LS, AP/Dura advantage, he's going to be able to get through all of tricky's resurrections just fine? i really doubt that.Clef doesn't need it either way
YesDoes he do it right away? the precog is a huge barrier that would be very difficult to overcome especially with Clef's decent skill and blitz
what does his other reality warping do? it's just kind of there on his profile.Which one?
The telekill aint helping him here, Tricky mainly fights CQC. unless Clef made him turn into a demon, his telekill isn't really anything defining for this thread.
Do you list incap as a wincon? if so then Clef's Atomic Revolver and Telekill Firearms could do the trick.he definitely does... Tricky has 3-4 resurrections to bring himself back to his peak... you trying to tell me while he's at a speed disadvantage, LS, AP/Dura advantage, he's going to be able to get through all of tricky's resurrections just fine? i really doubt that.
Then I still disbelieve that he could pull it off with what I already listed for his intelligence as Genius instead of possibly Genius.
Looping a staircase as he runs up it for 80 hours, making a usable telephone that had a cord that ended under the hood of a car and causing the flood in SCP-4231, caused a thunderstorm, turned the rain into blood and attacked another reality bender with the blood, he also either drugged people into thinking he removed all exits to a room and the desk was trying to eat them or actually made that the case. Other things almost certainly happened with various tales depicting him defeating Type-Green Reality Benders left-right and center.what does his other reality warping do? it's just kind of there on his profile.
Which like I said would be a huge disadvantage for him if he fight CQC, Clef would immediately shoot & mangle him within range with his telekill shotgun and fire large amounts of pellets. That's a lot more severe than a regular handgun.The telekill aint helping him here, Tricky mainly fights CQC. unless Clef made him turn into a demon, his telekill isn't really anything defining for this thread.
Zeds inferior to tricky can fight without their heads, what makes you think either of those will put him down?Do you list incap as a wincon, if so then Clef's Atomic Revolver and Telekill Firearms could do the trick
Two things. he'd have to throw the dice out and pray to god it lands on that. and you have to justify Clef possibly killing himself dropping a tornado on himself.Plus with SCP-776-ARC he could create an F-4 Tornado that sucks him from the air and keeps him there till he's incapped.
Half of that doesn't sound like he even used it in a fight...Looping a staircase as he runs up it for 80 hours, making a usable telephone that had a cord that ended under the hood of a car and causing the flood in SCP-4231, caused a thunderstorm, turned the rain into blood and attacked another reality bender with the blood, he also either drugged people into thinking he removed all exits to a room and the desk was trying to eat them or actually made that the case. Other things almost certainly happened with various tales depicting him defeating Type-Green Reality Benders left-right and center.
And Clef is at the disadvantage of literally every single stat, besides hax. i dont see how mentioning how he doesn't control the drive when he's gonna start in CQC and (as far as i know) outskill Clef in a fist fight.Tricky is at a major disadvantage with his uncontrollable Improbability Drive.
Oh so your telling me Clef will be able to pull out a shotgun or any weapon before tricky (who's faster) kick's his ass? yeah no. if he tries to pull out a gun he'll just get punched to oblivion.Which like I said would be a huge disadvantage for him if he fight CQC, Clef would immediately shoot & mangle him within range with his telekill shotgun and fire large amounts of pellets. That's a lot more severe than a regular handgun.
So large fireballs and pellets won't put him down at the very least? I seeZeds inferior to tricky can fight without their heads, what makes you think either of those will put him down?
Yeah, read the post and the dude said that his speed would vary widely, and it's kind of unknown what it could be as its still in the Supersonic section and not listed as higher than it, plus remember Clef has Precog.Hell, thats assuming clef is gonna be able to land a hit on him. the dude outspeeds Clef.
And why would he need to pray that it gets there? the weapon isn't like a dice at all in what you explained, either way Clef can teleport out of the way if it happensTwo things. he'd have to throw the dice out and pray to god it lands on that. and you have to justify Clef possibly killing himself dropping a tornado on himself.
The Type Green Reality Warping stuff? So? what makes you think that he can't use them as a last resort? even in CQC? Because if that's true, then we might have to remove a few matches where his reality warping was fully valid in a scenario like this.Half of that doesn't sound like he even used it in a fight...
And I fail to see you bring up skill feats for Tricky as he currently is extremely skillstomped by Clef going toe-to-toe with Dr. Kondraki who also fought and swordplayed 076-2 to a standstill.And Clef is at the disadvantage of literally every single stat, besides hax. i dont see how mentioning how he doesn't control the drive when he's gonna start in CQC and (as far as i know) outskill Clef in a fist fight.
Teleportation Refer to the second first statement.Oh so your telling me Clef will be able to pull out a shotgun or any weapon before tricky (who's faster) kick's his ass? yeah no. if he tries to pull out a gun he'll just get punched to oblivion.
bullets? **** no he eats bullets for breakfast. Fireballs? eh depends on how large i suppose.So large fireballs and pellets won't put him down at the very least? I see
Precog becomes pretty useless once Clef cant even keep up with him.Yeah, read the post and the dude said that his speed would vary widely, and it's kind of unknown what it could be as its still in the Supersonic section and not listed as higher than it, plus remember Clef has Precog.
Defeating a reality warper doesn't mean he used reality warping. and wdym removing matches for those reasoning? he won almost all his matches from being skilled in defeatinh reality warpers, or using the revolver. NONE of the matches even mention him weaponizing the haxes your trying to convince me he'd eventually use.The Type Green Reality Warping stuff? So? what makes you think that he can't use them as a last resort? even in CQC? Because if that's true, then we might have to remove a few matches where his reality warping was fully valid in a scenario like this.
I dont believe in that kondraki one. if we go to Kondraki's profile it says 'Defeated SCP-076-2 in a fencing match through carefully constructing its rules'. you trying to tell me Kondraki will scale too 076 because he got in a fencing match, that he set up a shit ton of rules for to win? that sounds like sparring again. Clef isn't scaling to 076 from a sparring match. that makes zero sense.And I fail to see you bring up skill feats for Tricky as he currently is extremely skillstomped by Clef going toe-to-toe with Dr. Kondraki who also fought and swordplayed 076-2 to a standstill.
Telekill bullets, plus the fireballs are presumed to be as large as a personbullets? **** no he eats bullets for breakfast. Fireballs? eh depends on how large i suppose.
Did you read the speed statement I referred to?Precog becomes pretty useless once Clef cant even keep up with him.
What? what haxes are you really talking about here, you said it yourself that it's CQC so it really isn't viable. Also, explain how in a million years do you beat reality warpers with just "skill"? and just a revolver? someone like SCP-239 ain't going down that easy anytime soon by your logicDefeating a reality warper doesn't mean he used reality warping. and wdym removing matches for those reasoning? he won almost all his matches from being skilled in defeatinh reality warpers, or using the revolver. NONE of the matches even mention him weaponizing the haxes your trying to convince me he'd eventually use.
How's being superior to agents he works with who have combat training that procedes that of current millatary soliders, a former GOC agent, and his training likely being better as GOC training is usually considered superior to military training not count for decent skill?I dont believe in that kondraki one. if we go to Kondraki's profile it says 'Defeated SCP-076-2 in a fencing match through carefully constructing its rules'. you trying to tell me Kondraki will scale too 076 because he got in a fencing match, that he set up a shit ton of rules for to win? that sounds like sparring again. Clef isn't scaling to 076 from a sparring match. that makes zero sense.
Tricky solo'd 4 armies on his own, stomped Hank and Christoff both at the same time, who run through facilities filled with people trained to kill them (and who can easily mortally injure them.) i dont see how that's not superior to 'He sparred 076 and won'
you have failed to bring up ANYTHING meaningful to Clef's skill in hand to hand combat.
Do the telekill bullets do anything notable on their own besides block out reality warping? if they're just regular bullets beside that, he'll 100% eat those without problem. He can likely aim dodge the fireballs.Telekill bullets, plus the fireballs are presumed to be as large as a person
About tricky not having a 'higher' with accelerated development? He has Accelerated development in his P&A for his speed. thats my bad for not putting higher in his speed section.Did you read the speed statement I referred to?
Clef plans to kill 239 using a sword... he never mentioned any reality warping in his plan. so yes, he does kill reality warpers with nothing but skill and a bunch of anomalous weapons that are capable of harming them. hell thats way more impressive that him using reality warping himself to defeat them.What? what haxes are you really talking about here, you said it yourself that it's CQC so it really isn't viable. Also, explain how in a million years do you beat reality warpers with just "skill"? and just a revolver? someone like SCP-239 ain't going down that easy anytime soon by your logic
being above Military training is like, way far below Tricky it aint even funny.How's being superior to agents he works with who have combat training that procedes that of current millatary soliders, a former GOC agent, and his training likely being better as GOC training is usually considered superior to military training not count for decent skill?
Which tale are you referring to? 076 and Clef have like, 13 tales and they dont interact in almost all of them-Clef was on par with SCP-076-2 who's capable of all of this minus the AP part of Heval-Ab-Leshal, it's not sparring as it's a literal battle where Clef got mortally injured, most of it is already listed on Able's profile. NONE of what you said even remotely compares to it.
he has a large number of pellets in store, the fireballs likely have splash burn damage so he would still be harmed.Do the telekill bullets do anything notable on their own besides block out reality warping? if they're just regular bullets beside that, he'll 100% eat those without problem. He can likely aim dodge the fireballs.
Would it only be his movement speed? or also his reaction speed, it kind of didn't go into it.About tricky not having a 'higher' with accelerated development? He has Accelerated development in his P&A for his speed. thats my bad for not putting higher in his speed section.
he used SCP-1023-ARC and weapons like SCP-408, but he could always go for the Atomic Revolver like you said.Clef plans to kill 239 using a sword... he never mentioned any reality warping in his plan. so yes, he does kill reality warpers with nothing but skill and a bunch of anomalous weapons that are capable of harming them. hell thats way more impressive that him using reality warping himself to defeat them.
He's basically superior to other foundation agents who are superior to military agents, but his brawl with Konny could close the gap a little, plus being on par with Able giving him superior skill.being above Military training is like, way far below Tricky it aint even funny.
In Able Baker Charlie, and more that I'm getting answers from this CRT.Which tale are you referring to? 076 and Clef have like, 13 tales and they dont interact in almost all of them-
He could go for Teleportation, though Tricky could use his own as well.EDIT: Found his Precog scan. it isn't combat applicable. it's very vague and is more likely to just show him a general area than a precise event.
fireballs look like his biggest problem then.he has a large number of pellets in store, the fireballs likely have splash burn damage so he would still be harmed.
He's able to fight at his increased speed, so i would assume it amps those too.Would it only be his movement speed? or also his reaction speed, it kind of didn't go into it.
Honestly im betting Clef is more likely to go for the atomic revolver or 1023 than 408, considering the latter can do hell of a lot more damage to tricky.he used SCP-1023-ARC and weapons like SCP-408, but he could always go for the Atomic Revolver like you said.
cool. hope they add more references to Clef's page it's been pissing me off whenever i look at it.In Able Baker Charlie, and more that I'm getting answers from this CRT.
Is that regeneration combat applicable? sounds like the regeneration happened over an unknown amount of time.He could go for Teleportation, though Tricky could use his own as well.
Found it; It Wasn't a Vacation: Agent Ukelele blows himself up with a mine and is then stated to regenerate from it, giving him mid to low end high-mid regeneration.
At least they aren't like Ghast fireballs.fireballs look like his biggest problem then.
So combat speed.He's able to fight at his increased speed, so i would assume it amps those too.
The Atomic Revolver does have the advantage of not being touched based, unlike Tricky's corruption.Honestly im betting Clef is more likely to go for the atomic revolver or 1023 than 408, considering the latter can do hell of a lot more damage to tricky.
This Thread here explains that most links are already outdated to a standard link format, so maybe that's why.cool. hope they add more references to Clef's page it's been pissing me off whenever i look at it.
Clef was in a combat situation alongside Able so it probably is, currently getting answers from the CRT about it.Is that regeneration combat applicable? sounds like the regeneration happened over an unknown amount of time.
Damn Clef went through an entire revision and people still somehow ****** up giving him any scans for his abilities.Great Tricky is now 9-A, so what does he have against Mid regen and Mind Hax?
The regen is still in conjunction with him fighting SCP-076 so it should be included in his regen ability.Regardless, that regeneration STILL doesn't look combat applicable. he wasn't in a combat scenario while using it, and after blowing himself up he's never heard from again in that tale.
right now the only regen he has listed on his profile is the one that took who knows how long to recover from. wouldn't matter anyways anything under mid regeneration tricky can easily bypass.The regen is still in conjunction with him fighting SCP-076 so it should be included in his regen ability.
I honestly dont know how he even time travelled. is there anything else saying what he did to go back in time?Now is Time Travel applicable here? it involves killing so it looks combat applicable.
If that doesn't work then he could always resort to his Corruption and Atomic Revolver.right now the only regen he has listed on his profile is the one that took who knows how long to recover from. wouldn't matter anyways anything under mid regeneration tricky can easily bypass.
this is the problem with regeneration having zero scans. his Mid regeneration is clearly non-combat applicable.
It had to do with the usage of a temporal anomaly, not like it would matter.I honestly dont know how he even time travelled. is there anything else saying what he did to go back in time?