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You need to prove that in a fight she would decide to leave them there instead of join them to kill them like the Elf Dorothy tried to do. She isnt cleaning up rubble, she is trying ti fight them and unless if in character she would decide to just put them in dream world, then no I dont have anything to prove, you do.Epsilon R said:So unless you have a proof that she is forced to go or even goes in the Glamour World in character, we go by what she has shown so far.
She has to what??
1/ you need to prove that she would simply BFR in a fight no me prove that she would not.Epsilon R said:Lol. So you're saying that just because Elf Dorothy did join them, Dorothy would too? AFAIK, they're 2 different characters with 2 different strategies and personalities. Unless we have proof that she goes with then in character, we don't assume that she would since 1- No evidence and 2- It's not like she is forced to do so.
And do you have a proof that her aura has the same range? If not, Dorothy thinks and BFR.
1/She is trying too fight them not BFR them, they are not rubble. I am not saying they are the sam person.Epsilon R said:1/ You need to prove that she would go with them, not me to prove she wouldn't. Besides my reasoning is far more reliable than "Elf Dorothy did so will Dorothy" which is assuming they both are the same person
2/ Give a Scan of how her powernull works
She can do it without raising her hand:https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/655935520731430925/unknown.pngEpsilon R said:Did she just raise her hand to null the attack?
That isnot how it works it works on anything she deems uncomfortable to her, BFRing counts on that. And BFR is offensive anyway.Epsilon R said:Her power null seems to work on offensive attacks. Dorothy's BFR is considered as non-offensive so it'll work.
Anyways, I will go to sleep now.
As for Amalda I really dont think the BFR would affect her through her conceptual defense.Duedate8898 said:Oh and Akira kinda just loses, lower AP with no hax to help him out even at his strongest really makes the match a stomp in Dorothy's favor, especially since she has Danmaku on her side.
Low-Mid can be bypassed with much much higher AP and she is not even in 1 shot advantage, not even close, she is 1.5 times stronger than his much weaker form. You need proof that she has law manip in her dream world because this is never stated, either way Akira resists law manip while Amalda changes laws herself wihth concept manip so it wont work on either of them.SpookyShadow said:Low-Mid can be bypassed. And Dorothy can manipulate laws in her world.
1. I know, this was due to him saying that she had the AP advantage. And sleep inducement def wont work onAmaldaEpsilon R said:1.Low Mid doesn't mean anything in this battle since Dorothy's win con is sleep inducement.
2.BFR would still work. Powernull =/= null everything so you gonna have to proof that Amalda resists BFR, until then Dorothy wins
Also the match wasn't concluded at all, we just agreed to share the spot for now
1. calaca literally says that she would resist with her conceptual manip.Epsilon R said:1. Sorry but no, we already talked about this and no she won't resist sleep manip.
2. No it's you who have to prove that she would resist BFR lol, don't expect Dorothy to lose if you don't give us proof. Also, Dorothy? Outranged?:
1- "First 1 is 426 meter height and the second 1 is like kiloemters." Dorothy is at the very least 478 meters
2- You know that the same way she can BFR them, she can BFR their attacks too?
3- Asking it again, can you bring full scans instead of just one panel? And if possible, not a link coming from Discord?
The Calaca said:Then Akira shouldn't resist as he needs resistance to sleep hax.
If the description is vague, then let's go by the most logical possibility. And sleep hax working on the metaphysical concept of the mind is stretchier than it working on just making the target fall asleep like they'd normally do without the intervention, even if its source is magical.
So no, Akira shouldn't resist just because he resists Mindhax. He'd either need to resist Sleep Manipulation or Magic to block the signal.
hereThe Calaca said:The way I see it, instead of making her resist the hax, she'd null it with her Concept hax.
No it wasnt, show me that right now. I dont need a CRT for something that is literally right on panel, that I have shown you unless you are going to say, nuh uh even if I can see it it is not several hundred meters or kilometers in size.Epsilon R said:2. Her BFR was 478 meters smh. She wouldn't have "several hundred meters on her profile otherwise. Besides you gonna need a CRT to add the new range
3. Asking it again, can you bring full scans (aka full PAGES) instead of just one panel? And if possible, not a link coming from Discord?
You did not prove anything, you only showed that it does not get countered when it does not deal physical damage to dsomeone, who's fate manip (that is not even powernull nor conceptual manip btw) means that when they are in immediate danger it would intervene. She does not make something physical disappear yeah but when it is not a physical thing it would. That still counts as negging the attack since she negged the attack's force.Epsilon R said:"She is able to manipulate the concept of comfort, essentially anything she does is extremely easy and relaxing for her, due to that she can negate/powernull attacks."
That only works against attacks and I've already prove that Dorothy's BFR cannot be considered as an attack. Besides, she doesn't neg all types of attacks since in one of the panels you brought, she was striked by the blade, she was just unharmed