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Dorothy Vs Akira

Dorothy gets sliced apart conceptually and can not hurt Amalda with any of her attacks due to passive power null and resistances to mind manip. Oh she would also passively make Dorothy submissive via her aura.

As for Akira she has no way to get past his resistances as well and gets blown appart via conceptual air manip.H e can also regen from any of her attacks and has a forcefield on top of that. But he would do what he normally does, dodge every attack by going intangible and create forcefields with air. He would also has speed and strength amping via air which give shim an advantage with speed equalized and can create clones to outnumber her.

Soeither Gosspeed characters stomp her imo.
 
1/Is her conceptual attack thought based? If so, give a scan.

2/You seem to forget that she has the range advantage. So her conceptual attack won't even touch her

3/Forcefield and Power Nullification won't prevent Dorothy to BFR them. Power null isn't even listed in their profiles
 
Epsilon R said:
1/Is her conceptual attack thought based? If so, give a scan.
2/You seem to forget that she has the range advantage. So her conceptual attack won't even touch her
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Like I said she swings her sword in a direction.

Okay yeah Dorothy has the ranged advantage, how would that help her? She still her no way to hurt Amalda or Akira.
 
She swings her sword in Dorothy's direction and then it applies to everything in the way.

So It's not thought based, meaning Dorothy thinks and Amalda gets BFR'd in the Glamour World
 
Epsilon R said:
So It's not thought based, meaning Dorothy thinks and Amalda gets BFR'd in the Glamour World
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She has never BFRed someone to the Glamour world without going there herself. She would still fight in the glamour world. Unless you have proof of the opposite.
 
Rocker1189 said:
Like I said she swings her sword in a direction.

Okay yeah Dorothy has the ranged advantage, how would that help her? She still her no way to hurt Amalda or Akira.
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Epsilon R said:
3/Forcefield and Power Nullification won't prevent Dorothy to BFR them. Power null isn't even listed in their profiles
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It is listed in Amalda's profile right in her conceptual manipulation. You can see it under her catergory.

And again where has she BFRed someone in a fight in character without going there herself.
 
Rocker1189 said:
She has never BFRed someone to the Glamour world without going there herself. She would still fight in the glamour world. Unless you have proof of the opposite.
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The Glamour World is infinite. Even if she goes there, she can still go kilometres away from her
 
Epsilon R said:
The Glamour World is infinite. Even if she goes there, she can still go kilometres away from her
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So she still cant win, she just runs, thats not a win lol. Also her BFR is via some weird magic thing that covers the space. If it hits Amalda it wont work on her due to power null.
 
So she still cant win, she just runs, thats not a win lol. Also her BFR is via some weird magic thing that covers the space. If it hits Amalda it wont work on her due to power null.

Again. Any being in the Glamour World becomes drowsier until they die, so she doesn't need to do anything to win at this point. Also, taking distance =/= running away, don't forget that even light years away from her, Dorothy can still attack Amalda
 
Epsilon R said:
Again. Any being in the Glamour World becomes drowsier until they die, so she doesn't need to do anything to win at this point. Also, taking distance =/= running away, don't forget that even light years away from her, Dorothy can still attack Amalda
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Yeah they resist that like I told you, they resist mind manip.

Ok I need proof of 2 things, its infinite size and Dorothy attacking from light years away.

Oh and 3 that it is in character for dorothy to do any of that.
 
Yeah they resist that like I told you, their resist mind manip.

Ok I need proof of 2 things, its infinite size and Dorothy attacking from light years away.

Oh and 3 that it is in character for dorothy to do any of that.

1/Mind Manip means nothing here since her attacks doesn't even attack mind

2/In the Japanese chapter, Luck states that the Glamour World is a never-ending World. Magna, being Magna, says that's impossible and a world like that doesn't exist but Elf Dorothy confirms it and says that anything can be possible. Her universal range in her profile is because she has the control of the Glamour World. You just have to find the Japanese version of the chapter 184. And even if she won't attack from light years away, her range is still too much for Amalda.

3/https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/black_clover/en/0/184/page/9 she always start with ranged attacks, even if it's not Light years away, that's still far above Amalda's range
 
Epsilon R said:
1/Mind Manip means nothing here since her attacks doesn't even attack mind

2/In the Japanese chapter, Luck states that the Glamour World is a never-ending World. Magna, being Magna, says that's impossible and a world like that doesn't exist but Elf Dorothy confirms it and says that anything can be possible. Her universal range in her profile is because she has the control of the Glamour World. And even if she won't attack from light years away, her range is still too much for Amalda.

3/https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/black_clover/en/0/184/page/9 she always start with ranged attacks, even if it's not Light years away, that's still far above Amalda's range
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1/ Forcing someone to sleep is mind manip until proven otherwise.

2/ She says anything can be possible but that does not mean that its is actually universe sized, regardless she wont be using attack from light years away.

3/ Thats great, they would do jack shit to Amalda or Akira due to Amalda's conceptual manip and Akira's Low-Mid regen and forcefields.

And this is all forgetting that Dorothy would get instantly submissive to Amalda.
 
1/ Forcing someone to sleep is mind manip until proven otherwise.

2/ She says anything can be possible but that does not mean that its is actually universe sized, regardless she wont be using attack from light years away.

3/ Thats great, they would do jack shit to Amalda or Akira due to Amalda's conceptual manip and Akira's Low-Mid regen and forcefields.

And this is all forgetting that Dorothy would get instantly submissive to Amalda.

1/ It's Sleep Manipulation. If she doesn't have mind manip in her profile, that means it's not mind manip.

2/ Regardless she still attack from a range that is too far for Amalda

3/ Great, they will still die from sleep anyway
 
Epsilon R said:
1/ It's Sleep Manipulation. If she doesn't have mind manip in her profile, that means it's not mind manip.

2/ Regardless she still attack from a range that is too far for Amalda

3/ Great, they will still die from sleep anyway
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1/ That is not how it works, she doesnt have mind manip because it is specific to slleep manip. Sleep manip is a subset of mind manip.

2/ Cool it would do nothing.

3/ they resist. And thus Dorothy loses due to passive submission which is faster than thought BFR btw.
 
1/That's...totally not how it works. If it's really is a subset of mind manip then it have to be specified as so in the page, until then it's not

2/ Cool, that means none of her attacks will reach Dorothy...

3/ Again, they doesn't..
 
Epsilon R said:
1/That's...totally not how it works. If it's really is a subset of mind manip then it have to be specified as so in the page, until then it's not
2/ Cool, that means none of her attacks will reach Dorothy...

3/ Again, they doesn't..
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1/ That is how it owrks, you manipulate their mind to put them to sleep, but this is ignoring that Amalda would ignore it anyway? Her defense is of a conceptual nature and law manipulation nature. The only possible thing that would work on her is BFRing her to the dream world after that Dorothy has nothing.

You are ignoring Amalda's passive willpower manip.
 
1/If BFR works, then Passive sleep inducement works too. And for the last time, her mind manip resistance won't matter here, Go make a CRT if you disagree.

2/You are ignoring Akira's poor Range.
 
Epsilon R said:
1/If BFR works, then Passive sleep inducement works too. And for the last time, her mind manip resistance won't matter here, Go make a CRT if you disagree.
2/You are ignoring Akira's poor Range.
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1/No it really wont, I already challengedBFR owrking in the first place, nothing that Dorothy does is conceptual I dont think it would affect Amalda. It is you that needs to make the CRT sleep manip is mind manip.

2/ Akira's range does not matter due to his regen and his shield and resistance to mind manip.

She insta loses to Amalda.

It is only Akira she does not insta lose to.
 
1/Despite everything you say, Sleep Manip is not specified as a subset of Mind Manip in the page, meaning YOU have to make a CRT

2/That still means she can't touch Dorothy at all
 
Another attack they are comparable to:https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574962376219164684/655919666824216598/unknown.png
 
Then Akira shouldn't resist as he needs resistance to sleep hax.

If the description is vague, then let's go by the most logical possibility. And sleep hax working on the metaphysical concept of the mind is stretchier than it working on just making the target fall asleep like they'd normally do without the intervention, even if its source is magical.

So no, Akira shouldn't resist just because he resists Mindhax. He'd either need to resist Sleep Manipulation or Magic to block the signal.
 
Epsilon R said:
Still not enough to have the same range as her in the Glamour World...
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Show me her range in her glamour world I dont see anything comparable to the first or seconfd picture.

First 1 is 426 meter height and the second 1 is like kiloemters.
 
The Calaca said:
Then Akira shouldn't resist as he needs resistance to sleep hax.
If the description is vague, then let's go by the most logical possibility. And sleep hax working on the metaphysical concept of the mind is stretchier than it working on just making the target fall asleep like they'd normally do without the intervention, even if its source is magical.

So no, Akira shouldn't resist just because he resists Mindhax. He'd either need to resist Sleep Manipulation or Magic to block the signal.
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I can understand Akira not resisting ( it takes a long time to get into effect anyway) but the conceptual hax of Amalda should definitely defend her from it.
 
The Calaca said:
I'm not aware of what that conceptual hax is or what it does so I can't judge properly.
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She is able to manipulate the concept of comfort, essentially anythign she does is extremely easy and relaxing for her, due to that she can negate/powernull attacks and she ignore durability beause both of them would be easy for her. She can also stop a person from regening with it. It also means that her state of mind cant be anything but relaxed and comfortable making her unable to feel any other emotions.
 
The way I see it, instead of making her resist the hax, she'd null it with her Concept hax.
 
Rocker1189 said:
Yeah not in combat though. In other words, not in character. And now she is actually outranged.
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This is the first and only time where we see Dorothy use dream magic. The other times were when she was controlled
 
Epsilon R said:
This is the first and only time where we see Dorothy use dream magic. The other times were when she was controlled
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Yeah and thus she has never been in a fight to see how she would use it that way.
 
And that means she can just bfr without needing to be there too...


Conclusion: Dorothy thinks and they get BFR'd into the Glamour World. Dorothy wins.
 
Epsilon R said:
And that means she can just bfr without needing to be there too...

Conclusion: Dorothy thinks and they get BFR'd into the Glamour World. Dorothy wins.
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She can but she never has in character.

Also she has to come into their range to BFR, she passively loses to Amalda. Akira blows her up with his air blasts.

Conclusion: She loses before she BFRs, or she loses in her dream world. Also I dont think the BFR would get past Amalda's concept hax.
 
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