Doomsday vs Grimm Dragon

[Kiryu2012]

Doomsday (DC Animated Movies) vs Grimm Drago

Fight takes place in Vale.

Speed equalized.

 

[Ionliosite]

So... what does Grimm Dragon do?

 

[Kiryu2012]

So... what does Grimm Dragon do?

Its main strategy, from what we've seen of it, is to utilize its flight whilst spawning Grimm. It can also use ramming attacks.

 

[Kiryu2012]

Bump.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Isn't summoning Grimm useless? They can't scratch DD and if they can, it'll only amp him.

I'm thinking DD slaughters the fodder and HVs until the Dragon swoops in and DD grabs on and wails for the win.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Apathy willpower hax

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Did it summon Apathy?

 

[Ionliosite]

Apathy willpower hax

How does that work?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Basically anything that hears their screams loses the will to live, fight, or act in any manner, makes them extremely weak, and potentially puts them into a state of permanent sleep if enough are around

 

[Ionliosite]

How often does it do it?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Basically exclusively, thats like all it does

 

[Ionliosite]

So this is a stomp?

 

[Kiryu2012]

The Grimm Dragon's never shown the ability to spawn the Apathy. It's only ever been shown spawning Beowolves, Creeps, and Ursas.

 

[GyroNutz]

Apathy willpower hax

Doomsday resists

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It doesn't say he has a resistance to willpower manip anywhere on his profile

 

[GyroNutz]

Oh. He should resist mind manip due to resisting Wonder Woman's lasso of truth

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Okay but mind manip and willpower manip are two very different things

 

[GyroNutz]

It's a subset of emphatic manip which is a subset of mind manip

 

[WeeklyBattles]

No? Willpower manip has nothing to do with mind manip, and certainly not in the case of the apathy who just straight up drain you of the will to live

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Isn't this kind of irrelevant if the Grimm Dragon doesn't make Apathy?

 

[GyroNutz]

No? Willpower manip has nothing to do with mind manip, and certainly not in the case of the apathy who just straight up drain you of the will to live

It has everything to do with mind manip, seeing as it's just a subset of it.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

No, it really doesnt. Plus resisting mind manip doesn't automatically mean you resist morality manip, especially when said morality manip can affect dozens to over 100 people at once

 

[GyroNutz]

Willpower Manipulation

Empathic Manipulation

Mind Manipulation

Need I say more?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes, specifically how good doomsday's resistance to mind hax is

 

[Ionliosite]

How good is Grimm's willpower manip?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

They willed an entire village worth of people to just stop wanting to live

 

[Lightbuster30]

I thought it was agreed that this thing doesn't summon apathies? It didn't summon one on it;s awakening.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The Grimm Dragon in the guidebook was stated to be capable of summoning any lesser Grimm

 

[Lightbuster30]

Yet it didn't summon any apathies. I'd imagine it can summon apathies is it wanted to, but thats not what it did when it fought, otherwise everyone would've gotten incapped by roaring apathies..

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It doesnt choose what to summon, it just passively summons lesser grimm

 

[Schnee_One]

No, it really doesnt. Plus resisting mind manip doesn't automatically mean you resist morality manip, especially when said morality manip can affect dozens to over 100 people at once

This is a difference in potency and not a difference in what the subsets are

Apathy also didn't affect dozens of people at once immediately, it was an overtime thing

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Hmm? What do you mean? Its effect is stated to work immediately through direct contact, it was only over time for the village because they were deep underground

 

[Lightbuster30]

Then why didn't we see any apathies summoned? If it can summon any lesser Grimm then why were no apathies summoned? Perhaps apathies aren't considered lesser grimm? I certainly wouldn't consider monster that can remove your will to live "lesser". It seems to be a weaker but haxxed grimm. Not exactly lesser. The thing summoned beowolfs and creeps iirc.

Either way, it's an explaination that makes sense.

 

[OpMasada]

It doesnt choose what to summon, it just passively summons lesser grimm

So does your reason for Grimm winning revolve around it possibly spawning a specific grimm it didn't spawn for the entire time it appeared?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Plot convnience most likely, the Apathy was a grimm that the writers explicitly wanted to sell right, them not appearing on-screen in the battle of beacon makes sense

 

[Lightbuster30]

Again, I'd like some proof Apathy would be considered a lesser Grimm. Lesser in power? Sure. But that's balanced by it's hax. It's absolutely not on the same threat level as something like a beawolf.

 

[Spinoirr]

But they are lesser as without haxs they are weak

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

So the fact that it can summon its only chance for winning is a big maybe that is likely a no.

And even then it doesn't matter because Mind Manip resistance means Doomsday doesn't care.

 

[Lightbuster30]

But they are lesser as without haxs they are weak

Yet never got summoned. Thats like calling someone who passively atomizes everything he touches yet is only 10-B less of a threat than a bear. Obviously more extreame, but that isn't the point. Also, prove raw strength is the only factor in what makes a grimm lesser or not.

 

[Ionliosite]

Bump