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DOOM: Cosmology upgrade

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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Baldiback3162/DOOM_Cosmology

Let's get to the topic right away.

Earth's Universe and Timeline (Low 2-C) : The creation of Hell portals is explicitly described as causing "tears in spacetime which serve as gateways between dimensions". While "tears in spacetime" can be interpreted in various ways their function as "gateways between dimensions" suggests that Earth's reality is not merely a static 3-D space but interacts with and experiences other dimensions in a manner that transcends simple 3-D spatial boundaries this interaction particularly when leading to realms explicitly defined by higher spatial dimensions implies that the Earth's "timeline" as a singular continuum holds a foundational 4th dimensional, fitting the qualitative definition of a 4-D space​



Earth's Multiverse (Low 1-C) : The Multiverse contains Countless universes,​

"Within the infinite conscious-matrix of the all-seeing Maykr God-mind, there exists every potentiality - every predictive variable of possible future timeline - each one known to the Maykr collective with omniscient, inextricable clarity. The God-mind surveys these timelines, watching them form and expand exponentially like fractal patterns in the fabric of existence"

"Every Potentiality - Every Predictive Variable of Possible Future Timeline" this statement from the Maykr God-mind codex is a core tenet of the Many Worlds Interpretation. MWI posits that for every possible outcome of a quantum event or decision, a new universe (or world) branches off, containing that specific outcome, the statement every potentiality implys all possible outcomes existing simultaneously or branching.

"Expand Exponentially Like Fractal Patterns" the fractal patterns directly imply the uncountably infinite aspect of this MWI, every possible outcome (potentiality) leads to a new branch and these branches themselves contain infinite, self-similar detail (like fractals), it means the branching isn't just a countable list of possibilities instead it's an infinitely dense, continuous spectrum of worlds or timelines consistent with an uncountably infinite set

This would all in all make for a L1-C multiverse at least as there are uncountably infinite points in a straight line (As well as a 2D, 3D, 4D, etc object basically any dimensional structure) and since infinite timelines branch off at each point in time this would make for uncountably infinite timelines which VsBW considers as Low Complex Multiversal

The Many Worlds Interpretation (MWI) asserts that all quantum possibilities are equally real and separate worlds. For every possible outcome of a quantum event or decision, a new universe branches off, the Maykr God-mind being able to perceive these every potentiality/every predictive variable of possible future timeline confirms this principle for MWI, this signifies that all conceivable futures and outcomes actually exist as distinct 4-D timelines/realities within the Multiverse

The Codex states these timelines "form and expand exponentially like fractal patterns in the fabric of existence". [Fractals are mathematical sets characterized by infinite complexity and self similarity across all scales, applied to MWI, this implies that the branching of realities occurs with infinite detail even within infinitesimally small segments of a timeline or for any quantum variable that can take a continuous range of values, there are infinitely dense and distinct possibilities this means the resulting set of realities is uncountably infinite, forming a continuous, infinitely complex manifold rather than a merely discrete, countable collection.

Furthermore, every dimensional structure including time itself (a component of a 4-D spacetime) has uncountably infinite points along it, when MWI's branching principle applies to systems with such inherent uncountably infinite possible arrangements and continuous dimensional points it directly leads to uncountably infinite branching for the timelines.

The convergence of these points confirms that the Earth's Multiverse functions as an Uncountably Infinite Many Worlds Interpretation, this means it encompasses an uncountably infinite number of parallel 4-D realities/timelines. According to VsBW's standards, a structure containing an uncountably infinite collection of 4-D realities necessitates a higher order dimension (a 5th dimension, often interpreted as a higher temporal or modal axis) to contain or organize them. Therefore, this justification scales Earth's Multiverse at Low 1-C (5-D)


Urdak (1-C) 6-D : Urdak is explicitly defined as a "higher dimension" that is superior to Multiverse since Earth's Multiverse is established as 5-D a realm that directly "transcends" it points to a 6-D existence Urdak is "completely inaccessible to Humans and Sentinels" this is crucial because the Sentinels (and by extension, the equipped humans) are confirmed to access all of space-time via Argent energy (4:34) Urdak is described as a "higher plane of existence composed of transcendent technology" it was also the "original home of the Father, a Formless Primeval" whose "logic and power gave birth to untold dimensions and worlds" indicating Urdak's fundamental and highly dimensional nature as the source of a dimension creating entity​



Hell (1-C) 6-D : Lore of DOOM states that "Hell is Beyond Urdak" and The Father confirms that "Hell would shatter Urdak outright one day"(4:04) Hell is described as "BOUND BY THE FORCES OF CHAOS, Hell is unlimited by boundaries of space, time, or dimension". This statement implies a fundamental transcendence over conventional dimensional constraints. Being "unlimited by dimensions" and demonstrably superior to a 5-D Multiverse pushes Hell into the 1-C (6-D) tier as it is beyond the typical dimensional limitations of a 5-D Multiverse.


The Dark Lord (Davoth) would be dimensionally superior to Hell and Cosmology, since Hell was already accepted as a 5-D structure yet Davoth was scaled to 6-D via reality and all of creation being an extension of Davoth considering Hell is 6-D with new upgrade then Davoth would be 7-D with same logic.​


More statements :

The Davoth is the creator of DOOM Cosmology


He was the primordial being of the Void


Capable of molding said Void into his creations


Hugo directly hints at all of creation, reality and entire structure of Hell being an extension of Davoths power even in his current state


The Void first appeared and then The Father acted upon it to create new realities including Urdak and Hell, which are explicitly implied to be a higher layer of reality both planes of existence are fixed outside of the known universe so this basically implys the Void isn't part of these realities, with Void being a primordial realm.

Since realities bloom from the Void and even Urdak & Hell (a higher reality fixed "outside the bounds of the known universe) sprung forth from within the interaction with the Void, the Void itself is beyond these physical composition and differentiation that defines these realities so if realities emerge from it then their inherent structures, dimensions, and physical properties are a consequence of the Void's nature not something that defines the Void itself Void is the origin the realities are the manifestation.

As we know, the Void is a primordial realm and even existed before Urdak & Hell, which are themselves fixed outside the bounds of the known universe and considered higher layers of reality so the Void's superiority is amplified


As we know, Hell is unlimited by the boundaries of space, time, or dimension. Hell itself is a living thing, an entity possessing certain undeniable sentience. Hell connects to worlds with pathways of darkness transcending space and time


Considering Doomslayer defeated Davoth who created entire Cosmology of DOOM and accepted as being dimensionally superior to Hell, he would scale to all of this.


Agree : Mythic381, Qawsedf234, Hellscream, Dicelium, Firestorm808, DarkDragonMedeus


Neutral :​


Disagree :​

 
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Why are you using Japanese text for Doom?
Yeah, i'm wondering this too, DOOM isn't japanese game by its origin

Anyway, i didn't see any Low 1-C evidences for the Multiverse, like, it is just extremely high interpretation or rather, theories. I honestly see nothing for uncountable infinite timelines, and idk where hypertimeline came from

About the Void, if you argue it to be nonexistent void, then it can't 8D, based on our current standard, a nonexistent void mean it is non-physical, non-physical mean it is undimensioned, so either it is 0D or BDE type 2 which is either Low 1-A or 1-A at least. But from the OP, look like you think and interpreting it to be a non-physical void, rather than outright being stated so, so idk what to say about it, but it is certainly not +1D compare to Hell, simply being the place that contain all of existence is not enough for a +1D.

Comment on phone is ass, but if i have time i will look deeper into the evidences, for now, this is all
 
Why are you using Japanese text for Doom?
Because it's from Offical DOOM survival guide.
Yeah, i'm wondering this too, DOOM isn't japanese game by its origin

Anyway, i didn't see any Low 1-C evidences for the Multiverse, like, it is just extremely high interpretation or rather, theories. I honestly see nothing for uncountable infinite timelines, and idk where hypertimeline came from

About the Void, if you argue it to be nonexistent void, then it can't 8D, based on our current standard, a nonexistent void mean it is non-physical, non-physical mean it is undimensioned, so either it is 0D or BDE type 2 which is either Low 1-A or 1-A at least. But from the OP, look like you think and interpreting it to be a non-physical void, rather than outright being stated so, so idk what to say about it, but it is certainly not +1D compare to Hell, simply being the place that contain all of existence is not enough for a +1D.

Comment on phone is ass, but if i have time i will look deeper into the evidences, for now, this is all
The infinite sized universe statement, it generally does not affect the scaling much

As we know Codex signifies that the Maykr God-mind perceives all possible futures and all possible timelines within the Multiverse so all possible futures are existent
The crucial part for beyond a simple infinite set and points towards an uncountably infinite number of timelines is "Expand Exponentially Like Fractal Patterns" since Fractals are defined as "infinitely complex patterns that are self-similar across different scales" when timelines "expand like fractal patterns," it means that each individual timeline branch doesn't just lead to discrete alternative outcomes but each point within each branch can itself contain further infinite, self similar complexities and branching, hence this implies a nested, self referential, and infinitely branching structure it's basically not just a countably infinite set of possibilities (like 1, 2, 3... to infinity) but something more complex (like the infinite real numbers between 0 and 1, which are uncountably infinite) this implies a higher temporal dimension or a "hyper-timeline" that organizes these infinitely complex and self replicating temporal structures this kind of uncountably infinite temporal axis within a multiverse would be Low 1-C

Alright then my bad maybe i can argue Low 1-A or 1-A Void later but not now, but what about if we argue 7-D Cosmology via Hell? since there are statements like Hell being unlimted by boundaries of space, time or dimension it implies a fundamental transcendence over conventional dimensional constraints being"unlimited by dimensions" and demonstrably superior to a 6-D Urdak.

the OP looks pretty messy tbh.
As for the feedback on the OP's presentation i appreciate you pointing that out my primary focus was on compiling all the necessary evidence and i will certainly take your feedback into account for any future formatting and ensure that my subsequent responses in this thread are as clear and well organized as possible to make the arguments easier to follow.
 
Alright then my bad maybe i can argue Low 1-A or 1-A Void
Don't think 1-A would be feasible, due to Davoth having a UES for creation feats.
if we argue 7-D Cosmology via Hell? since there are statements like Hell being unlimted by boundaries of space, time or dimension it implies a fundamental transcendence over conventional dimensional constraints being"unlimited by dimensions" and demonstrably superior to a 6-D Urdak.
Would be 7-D if the hyper-timelines gets accepted, but I generally agree with Hell being 1D+ over Urdak.
As for the feedback on the OP's presentation i appreciate you pointing that out my primary focus was on compiling all the necessary evidence and i will certainly take your feedback into account for any future formatting and ensure that my subsequent responses in this thread are as clear and well organized as possible to make the arguments easier to follow.
Start with not bolding your text.
 

Also let me provide more justifications for Low 1-C Multiverse


As we know Universes in DOOM follows Quantum Field Theory

“The Hellgrowth formations on Earth have undergone great scrutiny by experts at the Allied Nations. These cancer-like growths exhibit alarming cellular reproduction rates, outpacing any biological lifeform previously known. Their structural pattern is chaotic, almost random, with only one identifiable constant – the emergence of totem-like nests, which, at full maturity, resonate with powerful electromagnetic frequencies capable of producing a form of inverse quantum field. These fields, once activated, result in the fabrication of Hell portals; tears in space-time which serve as gateways between dimensions.” - The Hellgrowth part 1

QFT uses the framework of a continuous universe, with this time and space can be cut up into smaller fractions endlessly meaning these potentialities would include every smaller fractal of space and time, each of these would count as a potentiality

With this, it basically describes a continuous universe where space and time can be theoretically cut up into endlessly smaller fractions in such a framework every infinitesimal variation or fraction of space and time can represent a distinct potentiality or state

So Maykr God-mind's omniscient perception of uncountably infinite fractally expanding future timelines and the explicit lore about inverse quantum fields within Hellgrowth enabling "tears in space-time" to access "gateways between dimensions" provides a justification this indicates that the DOOM Multiverse is comprised of an uncountably infinite number of 4-D space-times which necessitates a higher order temporal dimension (a hyper-timeline) to encompass them this collective structure already aligns precisely with the VsBW's standards for Low 1-C Multiverse.
 
It being official (linking to a random PDF file doesn’t tell me much btw) doesn’t change the fact it’s a western franchise, not eastern. Use the original language for the franchise.
The infinite-sized universe statement for DOOM doesn't really affects scaling that much, so what about if we talk about other parts of scaling?
 
I can provie some actual arguments, for the void in DOOM being 1-A.
As there is proof in the codex, that realities spin out of existence, when they go into the void.

Either way, this is most likely not the right thread for it
 
I can provie some actual arguments, for the void in DOOM being 1-A.
As there is proof in the codex, that realities spin out of existence, when they go into the void.

Either way, this is most likely not the right thread for it
Im also thinking to do a CRT post about 1-A Void by using BDE 2, in this thread im trying to get Hell at 7-D with The Hellwalker and Davoth scaling to them.
 
Earth's Multiverse (Low 1-C) :
The link you provided doesn't explain how/why fractal patterns meet the site definition of uncountably infinite.

Is there any precedent on the site that the growth rate of fractals is agreed to be uncountably infinite?
I disagree with connecting the use of the term "Quantum Field" to the actual Quantum Field Theory without citing aspects of the theory taking place in the source material.

You haven't cited sources as to what Quantum Field Theory pertains to.

Has Quantum Field Theory ever been agreed on the site as justification for an uncountably infinite number of space-times?
 
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The link you provided doesn't explain how/why fractal patterns meet the site definition of uncountably infinite.

Is there any precedent on the site that the growth rate of fractals is agreed to be uncountably infinite?
I've changed most part of my argument about Uncountably Infinite timelines/realities for Multiverse, i will be using Many-Worlds Interpretation (MWI) for 5-D Multiverse which can have Uncountably Infinite branching with enough context (also MWI been agreed on the site as justification for an uncountably infinite number of realities/timelines i guess)

"Within the infinite conscious-matrix of the all-seeing Maykr God-mind, there exists every potentiality - every predictive variable of possible future timeline - each one known to the Maykr collective with omniscient, inextricable clarity. The God-mind surveys these timelines, watching them form and expand exponentially like fractal patterns in the fabric of existence"

"Every Potentiality - Every Predictive Variable of Possible Future Timeline" this statement from the Maykr God-mind codex is a core tenet of the Many Worlds Interpretation. MWI posits that for every possible outcome of a quantum event or decision, a new universe (or world) branches off, containing that specific outcome, the statement every potentiality implys all possible outcomes existing simultaneously or branching.

"Expand Exponentially Like Fractal Patterns" the fractal patterns directly imply the uncountably infinite aspect of this MWI, every possible outcome (potentiality) leads to a new branch and these branches themselves contain infinite, self-similar detail (like fractals), it means the branching isn't just a countable list of possibilities instead it's an infinitely dense, continuous spectrum of worlds or timelines consistent with an uncountably infinite set

This would all in all make for a L1-C multiverse at least as there are uncountably infinite points in a straight line (As well as a 2D, 3D, 4D, etc object basically any dimensional structure) and since infinite timelines branch off at each point in time this would make for uncountably infinite timelines which VsBW considers as Low Complex Multiversal

The Many Worlds Interpretation (MWI) asserts that all quantum possibilities are equally real and separate worlds. For every possible outcome of a quantum event or decision, a new universe branches off, the Maykr God-mind being able to perceive these every potentiality/every predictive variable of possible future timeline confirms this principle for MWI, this signifies that all conceivable futures and outcomes actually exist as distinct 4-D timelines/realities within the Multiverse

The Codex states these timelines "form and expand exponentially like fractal patterns in the fabric of existence". Fractals are mathematical sets characterized by infinite complexity and self similarity across all scales, applied to MWI, this implies that the branching of realities occurs with infinite detail even within infinitesimally small segments of a timeline or for any quantum variable that can take a continuous range of values, there are infinitely dense and distinct possibilities this means the resulting set of realities is uncountably infinite, forming a continuous, infinitely complex manifold rather than a merely discrete, countable collection.

Furthermore, every dimensional structure including time itself a component of a 4-D spacetime has uncountably infinite points along it, when MWI's branching principle applies to systems with such inherent uncountably infinite possible arrangements and continuous dimensional points it directly leads to uncountably infinite branching for the timelines.

The convergence of these points confirms that the Earth's Multiverse functions as an Uncountably Infinite Many Worlds Interpretation, this means it encompasses an uncountably infinite number of parallel 4-D realities/timelines. According to VsBW's standards, a structure containing an uncountably infinite collection of 4-D realities necessitates a higher order dimension (a 5th dimension, often interpreted as a higher temporal or modal axis) to contain or organize them. Therefore, this justification scales Earth's Multiverse at Low 1-C (5-D)

The Multiverse perfectly matches with Uncountably Infinite branching MWI, so this is the new reason why i argue 5-D Multiverse.
I disagree with connecting the use of the term "Quantum Field" to the actual Quantum Field Theory without citing aspects of the theory taking place in the source material.

You haven't cited sources as to what Quantum Field Theory pertains to.

Has Quantum Field Theory ever been agreed on the site as justification for an uncountably infinite number of space-times?
I don't use Quantum field theory argument for 5-D Multiverse anymore, i've deleted Quantum field theory argument from both Cosmology blog and Original post and i added Many-Worlds Interpretation argument by editing them.
 
I personally believe, this should qualify for Low 1-A, as each layer of a fractal pattern is uncountably infinite above the other.
Meaning, each layer in this fractal hierarchy, is qualitatively superior, compared to the one below it.

The context of the statement is very important in this regard, and this is a good simplified visual interpretation of a fractal pattern.
You can imagine the video below, to be timelines in the earth's multiverse.


"Every potentiality - every predictive variable of possible future timeline"

"watching them form and expand exponentially like fractal patterns in the fabric of existence"

 
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I personally believe, this should qualify for Low 1-A, as each layer of a fractal pattern is uncountably infinite above the other.
Meaning, each layer in this fractal hierarchy, is qualitatively superior, compared to the one below it.
Maybe i can make more threads about DOOM Cosmology scaling in future, also i was used to scale Fractal Patterns/Chaos Theory at High 1-B via Infinite-dimensional complexities but they do not refer to actual spatio-temporal dimensions.
 
I personally believe, this should qualify for Low 1-A, as each layer of a fractal pattern is uncountably infinite above the other.
Meaning, each layer in this fractal hierarchy, is qualitatively superior, compared to the one below it.
Uncountably infinite gap is not qualitative, it's a quantitative difference that just gives a higher dimension. A qualitative difference would outright be 1-A.
 
Anyway, i didn't see any Low 1-C evidences for the Multiverse, like, it is just extremely high interpretation or rather, theories. I honestly see nothing for uncountable infinite timelines, and idk where hypertimeline came from
Scan mentions it being inf timelines that expand out infinitely, while also having concepts for MWI, and it has context that the MWI leads to uncountable infinite, ts text book def for uncountable infinite or Low 1-C
 
Uncountably infinite gap is not qualitative, it's a quantitative difference that just gives a higher dimension. A qualitative difference would outright be 1-A.
Well, if an uncountable infinite gap isn't qualitative on VSBW, then it'd still be High 1-B.
As each layer is uncountably infinitely above the other.
It's not just a single layer of an uncountable infinity.

Im not 100% up to date with the tier 1 changes, it used to be qualitatively superior.
 
Well, if an uncountable infinite gap isn't qualitative on VSBW, then it'd still be High 1-B.
An uncountable infinite gap is just +1D unless the gap is specifically about geometric dimensions.

Being qualitative means of a different quality entirely. Adding more dimensions is just adding more of the same thing and wouldn't be a qualitative gap anymore on site.

For the fractile patterns, assuming irrational fractals, it would be an uncountable infinite number. Otherwise, it would just be supporting evidence of a quantum-based MWI, though even that would still be Low 1-C, assuming every separation is its own space-time.
 
Well, if an uncountable infinite gap isn't qualitative on VSBW, then it'd still be High 1-B.
It's just 1D+
Im not 100% up to date with the tier 1 changes, it used to be qualitatively superior.
I'm not exactly sure, but VSBW used to use qualitative superiority for dimensions, but it's been changed and now qualitative superiority is baseline 1-A.
For the fractile patterns, assuming irrational fractals, it would be an uncountable infinite number. Otherwise, it would just be supporting evidence of a quantum-based MWI, though even that would still be Low 1-C, assuming every separation is its own space-time.
So you agree with this?
 
An uncountable infinite gap is just +1D unless the gap is specifically about geometric dimensions.

Being qualitative means of a different quality entirely. Adding more dimensions is just adding more of the same thing and wouldn't be a qualitative gap anymore on site.

For the fractile patterns, assuming irrational fractals, it would be an uncountable infinite number. Otherwise, it would just be supporting evidence of a quantum-based MWI, though even that would still be Low 1-C, assuming every separation is its own space-time.
Yes, i get that now, in the context of the tiering system, however this would just be the difference between a single layer.
A single layer, would be quantitatively superior, compared to the previous and so on and on. hence H1-B.
Low1-C would be the lowest interpretation imo
 
Low1-C would be the lowest interpretation imo
Not really, because an uncountable infinite number of universes can be contained within a 5-D space. The only way to get High 1-B currently is to prove that fracticles apply to geometric dimensions, which hasn't been proven.
 
Scan mentions it being inf timelines that expand out infinitely, while also having concepts for MWI, and it has context that the MWI leads to uncountable infinite, ts text book def for uncountable infinite or Low 1-C
Yeah you got my argument (if you're not being sarcastic)
 
Not really, because an uncountable infinite number of universes can be contained within a 5-D space. The only way to get High 1-B currently is to prove that fracticles apply to geometric dimensions, which hasn't been proven.
Hello, can you see my scale if it's fine or not to get overall Cosmology at 7-D? (it's 6-D and im trying to make 7-D so it's 1-D+)
 
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