Does this count for Immeasurable Speed?

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Do any of these scenarios count for immeasurable speed?

Scenario 1

Character A is in the future. Character B is in the past. Character A attacks Character B from the future. Character's A attack physically travels throughout space and time to reach Character B. Character C warns Character B of the impending attacking before it reaches Character B.

Scenario 2

Character A uses a gun to attack their enemies. The gun can only work in the present timeline. Character A travels to the future. The gun doesn't work in the future. In order to use the gun in the future, Character A activates the gun in the past and has it sends it's bullets to the future.

Scenario 3

Character A is located in a universe where time and space is infinite. Character A physically flies to an area outside the universe. This area is only accessible through time travel by other characters. The time traveling methods of other characters have been teleportation and a time machine.

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

Scenario 1:

• Immeasurable

Scenario 2:

• You make it seem like syncing two weapons, which could be space-time manipulation.

Scenario 3:

• Immeasurable.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

You make it seem like syncing two weapons, which could be space-time manipulation.

It's the same weapon. Just at different times.

 

[Vietthai96]

1. I believe we talked about this, no it is not, at best you can give said special attack Immeasurable attack speed

2. Similar to 1, at best Immeasurable attack speed for the bullet

3. I also believe we talked about this, just fly outside of space-time isn't Immeasurable speed, the area which is only accessible through time travel via a time machine is not even immeasurable speed either, just that they are inaccessible which require specific method. And at best if we go lenient with the feat, you only get Immeasurable travel speed which is a just a fancy time travel via physical movement

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

1. Character A would have Immeasurable via whatever attack he used if it was done through sheer ability, not Time Manipulation or something. Character C would have Precognition and Character B would gain nothing as he was simply alerted ahead of time.

2. If he's physically firing the gun in the past and the bullets are physically moving to the future then both he and the gun have Immeasurable, otherwise it's Time Manipulation for both the gun and bullets.

3. If it's accessible via Time Travel that means this place still exists within time and is simply outside of the universe. So either he has a special method of reaching inaccessible places which is at best Infinite Speed due to Space being Infinite in this context and assuming the universe is infinite as well. Or he's replicating time travel through physical movement which is Immeasurable.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

3. If it's accessible via Time Travel that means this place still exists within time and is simply outside of the universe. So either he has a special method of reaching inaccessible places which is at best Infinite Speed due to Space being Infinite in this context and assuming the universe is infinite as well. Or he's replicating time travel through physical movement which is Immeasurable.

The place is outside time. In order to time travel, people travel there and then re-enter time from there.

2. If he's physically firing the gun in the past and the bullets are physically moving to the future then both he and the gun have Immeasurable, otherwise it's Time Manipulation for both the gun and bullets.

The character pulls the trigger in the future. The gun activates in the past and fire bullets which travel to the future.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

The place is outside time. In order to time travel, people travel there and then re-enter time from there.

Idk this is kind of like the timeless void scenario, either it's simply Infinite Speed or he's physically moving from inside a 4D Structure (Time) to outside s 4D Structure which would be Immeasurable.

The character pulls the trigger in the future. The gun activates in the past and fire bullets which travel to the future.

Time Manipulation on the gun/guy and Immeasurable or Time Travel for the bullets I suppose

 

[Vietthai96]

Moving to the outside of a 4D structure don't get you Immeasurable speed, moving in a timeless void do not get any speed rating anymore

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Idk this is kind of like the timeless void scenario

The place is like a nexus, all points in time and space connected to there.

Moving to the outside of a 4D structure don't get you Immeasurable speed, moving in a timeless void do not get any speed rating anymore

That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about being able to physically enter a place only accessible through time travel.

 

[Vietthai96]

That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about being able to physically enter a place only accessible through time travel.

I believe we talked about this stuffs before in the Sailor Moon speed thread, can enter a place which can access via time travel is not Immeasurable speed, and the feat in question is the main group trying to access that place which just outside space-time

Edit: also like i said above, if somehow the site go easy with this feat, at best you can get Immeasurable travel speed rating

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Moving to the outside of a 4D structure don't get you Immeasurable speed, moving in a timeless void do not get any speed rating anymore

I mean, a 4D Structure is Uncountably Infinite in comparison to 3D Space. That means even with Infinite Speed * Infinity you wouldn't be able to move outside of a 4D Structure if you are inside of it, especially if it's Infinite. To do so you would have to move at a speed beyond 3D Infinity and move at an Uncountably Infinite Speed/4D.

 

[Vietthai96]

I mean, a 4D Structure is Uncountably Infinite in comparison to 3D Space. That means even with Infinite Speed * Infinity you wouldn't be able to move outside of a 4D Structure if you are inside of it, especially if it's Infinite. To do so you would have to move at a speed beyond 3D Infinity and move at an Uncountably Infinite Speed/4D.

What, no, we don't using math to determine Immeasurable speed. Or you can have almost everyone with 2-C rating onward to have Immeasurable speed, especially those with tier 1

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

What, no, we don't using math to determine Immeasurable speed. Or you can have almost everyone with 2-C rating onward to have Immeasurable speed, especially those with tier 1

Well, that's different, one person is affecting time with AP and Range and the other person is physically outrunning/escaping time via sheer speed. Also, it doesn't really change that it's physically impossible to escape a 4D Structure moving at any degree of Infinite Speed so it has to be beyond it.

 

[Vietthai96]

Well, that's different, one person is affecting time with AP and Range and the other person is physically outrunning/escaping time via sheer speed. Also, it doesn't really change that it's physically impossible to escape a 4D Structure moving at any degree of Infinite Speed so it has to be beyond it.

Dimensional Travel is a thing, and uncountable infinite is because of the length of time holding uncountable infinite snap-shot of 3D objects on its axis thus the time being 4D, just moving outside of it isn't immeasurable speed, or people with 2-C could have it since their attacks could breach space-time to another space-time which by your logic is bypassing uncountable infinite. Or everyone with interdimensional and 2-C range that do their shit via physical movement.

Or you could try to change standard of Immeasurable speed

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Dimensional Travel is a thing, and uncountable infinite is because of the length of time holding uncountable infinite snap-shot of 3D objects on its axis thus the time being 4D, just moving outside of it isn't immeasurable speed, or people with 2-C could have it since their attacks could breach space-time to another space-time which by your logic is bypassing uncountable infinite. Or everyone with interdimensional and low 2-C range that do their shit via physical movement.

Or you could try to change standard of Immeasurable speed

The 2-C allegory wouldn't apply here because the place also connects all universes as well.

 

[Vietthai96]

The 2-C allegory wouldn't apply here because the place also connects all universes as well.

That mean there is a medium allowing the feat to happen, which again will not get you a speed rating or everyone with time travel machine can get Immeasurable speed

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Dimensional Travel is a thing, and uncountable infinite is because of the length of time holding uncountable infinite snap-shot of 3D objects on its axis thus the time being 4D, just moving outside of it isn't immeasurable speed, or people with 2-C could have it since their attacks could breach space-time to another space-time which by your logic is bypassing uncountable infinite. Or everyone with interdimensional and 2-C range that do their shit via physical movement.

Or you could try to change standard of Immeasurable speed

Ok, now I'm just confused.

HDE: Due to the additional angles possessed by them, higher-dimensional objects and beings would be much larger than lower ones.

If I'm a 3D Being who exists within a 4D Universe, it should be impossible for me to escape from an additional angle of space beyond my own by simply flying in one direction, even at infinite speed. Either Higher-Dimensions like Time are larger than the Third Dimension entirely or we base the size of Higher-Dimensions on what is shown, which opens a whole new can of beans.

This literally makes no sense.

 

[Vietthai96]

This literally makes no sense

I like said, the standard is this way, just simply moving outside of space-time do not get you Immeasurable speed, there are many example, some even have statement like their attacks transcend space-time, still didn't get Immeasurable speed. Currently it is, for example: your speed beyond time axis, allowing you to move and attack at all points on the it, treat time as spatial distance, or at least, physically travel through time and can combat when doing such feat. Anyway just simply moving outside of it is Dimensional Travel, and just simply time travel via physical movement will just get you Time Travel, or at best Immeasurable travel speed

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

If I'm a 3D Being who exists within a 4D Universe, it should be impossible for me to escape from an additional angle of space beyond my own by simply flying in one direction, even at infinite speed. Either Higher-Dimensions like Time are larger than the Third Dimension entirely or we base the size of Higher-Dimensions on what is shown, which opens a whole new can of beans.

Not to mention there are characters that gain immeasurable speed by being infinitely superior to infinite speed.

 

[Vietthai96]

Not to mention there are characters that gain immeasurable speed by being infinitely superior to infinite speed.

Huh, where???, i'm curious

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Huh, where???, i'm curious

Pluto from Devil May Cry.

 

[Vietthai96]

Pluto from Devil May Cry.

Well, Pluto have statement about his speed bypass dimensional axis of time stream, look pretty blatant which even Ultima agree, being infinitely stronger than his subordinates is just supporting evidences

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Well, Pluto have statement about his speed bypass dimensional axis of time stream, look pretty blatant which even Ultima agree, being infinitely stronger than his subordinates is just supporting evidences

Which isn't more different than a character bypassing the dimenisonal axis of time, and flying beyond infinite distance.

 

[Vietthai96]

Which isn't more different than a character bypassing the dimenisonal axis of time, and flying beyond infinite distance.

At this point i'm convinced that you seriously didn't keep up with the new Immeasurable speed standard

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

At this point i'm convinced that you seriously didn't keep up with the new Immeasurable speed standard

What’s on that page specifically stated that What I described isn’t immeasurable or is?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Regarding attacks moving outside space-time
distance between 2 universes which is where the attack would travel to or something similar is unknowable when it comes to distance. hence it would just be undefined, not immeasurable. and since space between dimensions is no longer always assumed to be the 5th dimension which would be superior or above the 4th dimension of time. The verse would need a very elaborate explanation to say that the space above spacetime isn't just the default unknowable distance we assume in regards to 2-C analogy.
so attacks moving beyond a universe space-time would require more supportive context for them to qualify as immeasurable.
also
Moving outside a single universe spacetime =/= moving outside the dimensional axis of time

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Regarding attacks moving outside space-time
distance between 2 universes which is where the attack would travel to or something similar is unknowable when it comes to distance. hence it would just be undefined, not immeasurable. and since space between dimensions is no longer always assumed to be the 5th dimension which would be superior or above the 4th dimension of time. The verse would need a very elaborate explanation to say that the space above spacetime isn't just the default unknowable distance we assume in regards to 2-C analogy.
so attacks moving beyond a universe space-time would require more supportive context for them to qualify as immeasurable.
also
Moving outside a single universe spacetime =/= moving outside the dimensional axis of time

In this case, the attack isn’t moving to another universe. The place it’s moving is outside time and space, all points in time and space of every universe is encompassed in this place, and it is only accessible through time travel.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

then I guess it would be immeasurable attack speed. and immeasurable speed if a character does it and not just an attack