Does conceptual type 8 grants Mid-Godly regen?

[Kaltias]

Title. Specifically if the character in question embodies the concept.

 

[DodoNova2]

technically yes because we must erase his concept so even if you erase its existence, it will come back

 

[Kaltias]

I guess? But if the thing that you rely on is destroyed, plain old erasure would kill you. Then again, if you embody it you would basically rely on your own concept. Hmmm..

 

[DodoNova2]

I see what you mean, I think the mid Godly would be granted only for the being who depends on their concept as madoka.

EDIT: but may also say that it is not Mid Godly because an aspect of them still exists, so I do not know.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Not too hot about the idea of giving Regenerationn because of immortality. It's redundant and people can confuse it for meaning that the character has Mid-Godly regen even without the Reliant object.

 

[Kaltias]

Agreed. Although if you embody the thing that you are regenerating from, wouldn't that mean that you can come back as long as your concept exists (which is Mid-Godly)? Something like The Father (who has mid-godly for this reason)

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

You come back, but not from your own Regenerationn. You come back due to relying on said object/concept. If you deleted it then said character won't be mid-godly anymore; indicating that it isn't regen.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Not too hot about the idea of giving Regenerationn because of immortality. It's redundant and people can confuse it for meaning that the character has Mid-Godly regen even without the Reliant object.

I agree with that.

I usually handle it so that if type 8 is given the Regenerationn is what the character can regenerate from without reliance on what gives him type 8. (I think there once was a thread about that.... not sure though)

Agreed. Although if you embody the thing that you are regenerating from, wouldn't that mean that you can come back as long as your concept exists (which is Mid-Godly)? Something like The Father (who has mid-godly for this reason)

You can not have type 8 reliant on yourself, exactly due to that being what normal regen is and hence redundant. So if you embody the thing that you are regenerating from then you don't have type 8 (since you are the thing), but regen on the level of whatever destroying the thing you embody equals to. (in case of concept mid godly and abstract existence)

 

[Kaltias]

Alright, I think that I understood. Thanks

 

[PaChi2]

Not... necesarily.

I see it this way:

Type 8 without Regenerationn: If you die, the concept dies with you.

Type 8 with regen: If you die you can come back, so the concept is still good and sound.

 

[Kaltias]

The former isn't type 8 tho. If it's destroyed when you die it's the concept relying on you, not you relying on the concept

 

[PaChi2]

The former isn't type 8 tho. If it's destroyed when you die it's the concept relying on you, not you relying on the concept

Its the concept granting you the inability to die by normal means. Like, from old age and such. Hax can kill you.

 

[PaChi2]

Type 8 as I see it isnt necesarily something like: bruh, as long as the concept exist Im untouchable. That's the OP version of it.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Also this would give Doctor Who god tiers mid godly Regenerationn

 

[DontTalkDT]

Its the concept granting you the inability to die by normal means. Like, from old age and such. Hax can kill you.

No, type 8 means you will live as long as the thing you are reliant on exists, even if you are killed by normal means. What you are describing is just conditional type 1.

If the thing is destroyed if you are killed it really isn't type 8.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes, type 8 based on a concept grants mid-godly regen

 

[Promestein]

I don't think Type 8 immortality should grant Regenerationn.

You can be separated from the source of your immortality and that source can be destroyed.

If we make it give Regenerationn, we're removing any distinction between Immortality and Regenerationn.

 

[Blanked]

Can't you simply stay alive without regenerating?

You simply stay alive, but without a physical body or something. Like you are Alive, but simply not in a conventional sense.

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Promestein. We should also preferably stick to what has been shown or stated, not speculation.

 

[A6colute]

Does conceptual type 8 grants Mid-Godly regen?

In most cases, yes. But not necessary.

 

[Kaltias]

@Blanked

Pretty sure that if you can't come back it doesn't count as immortality type 8 to begin with. If you can't act or reform, for every intent and purpose you are dead.

 

[A6colute]

Pretty sure that if you can't come back it doesn't count as immortality type 8 to begin with. If you can't act or reform, for every intent and purpose you are dead.

You can reincarnate. And reincarnation =/= Regenerationn.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Also this would give Doctor Who god tiers mid godly Regenerationn

The white guardian, black guardian, celestial toy maker are all conceptual embodiments.

 

[Kaltias]

@A6colute

I know, with "coming back" I meant resurrecting/regenerating. I meant that I don't think that it counts as type 8 if the Regenerationn/resurrection part due to the reliant object is absent.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that this likely depends from fiction to fiction, so we preferably need proof before we add Mid-Godly Regenerationn to every conceptual entity.