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Ayo, what?, well......................i......................need to go to sleep now and there are work tomorrow. i will look at this thread later. Bye.
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DMC Downgrade... kinda
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Unsure atm
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Anyway joke aside, well, it is midnight and i need to sleep, really
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Where's your staff evaluation rights?Evaluate or prepare a last will and testament where you say you love your family
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Don't need one, I have my homies on speed dial
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Oh yes your lord and savior DontTalk
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Why would Mundus create something which threatened his rule? That would totally be out of character, right?
There does appear to be a canon status change.
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The 2023 statements are:
1- Set in a parallel universe between DMC3 and DMC4.
2- There is no paradox.
3- Not 100% canon or 0% canon. Play the story to figure out how.
4- Plot is approved by Capcom, and it is an official entry in the franchise. Play the story to find out whether it is an alternate timeline, and whether it is taking place between DMC3 to DMC4.
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The 2025 statements are:
1- Not connected to the main DMC series' story.
2- An alternative story inspired by the DMC universe.
With the story canonity statements being wiped out from promotional material, and the game alongside its story being overhauled, the canon status is questionable at best.
Furthermore, we were told during the canon confirmation era that there is no paradox. But the current side story's plot is about gathering characters from future timelines to battle Hellfilth, and after initial defeat Hellfilth begins collapsing the multiverse by rearranging time and space in all timelines, which will necessarily result in a bootstrap paradox (for example, recruiting characters from future timelines to prevent the collapse of their timelines, Hellfilth destroying his original timeline, etc.).
Even if we say it is canon, parallel universe Dante and Vergil from the DmC reboot have different scaling. So I don't see why a parallel universe Dante, that is not connected to the main DMC series' story, wouldn't have different scaling.
It is stated to be PoC canon that Lady solo'd Hellfilth:
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Lady's AP is currently 9-B physically, and 8-C with her rocket launcher; I hope there aren't suggestions to upscale her. If we say that Lady recieved buffs during the events of PoC, then so can other characters.
You are aware Nightmare scales under Mundus factually, right? The issue is that Mundus would never create something more powerful than he is which has never once been contradicted as Mundus was only ever concerned Nightmare would haul off and annihilate the DW without discretion on accident. Not that he himself would die and never states that he feared for his own life. Second, even if we ignore the above, the context of Mundus supposedly creating a being stronger then himself (note this is me directly ignoring canon lore for a hypothetical) would only apply to Nightmare and on the Beastheads' part would require a wealth of evidence which I can assure you does not exist as Mundus makes no effort to seal said item nor is stated to have attempted such. Third, Dante did technically fight what amounts to an unrestrained Nightmare powerwise as the seals only serve to limit Nightmare's ability to move around freely, not its ability to exercise its power as the scan I just linked clarifies with respect to what is said in VoV as Nightmare's power is restricted in the sense that it cannot just flex it without being in a moderated area as can be seen in each of the boss fight arenas for Nightmare which have the seals in place. In addition, the Dante that beat that thing did so while being double teamed by Trish. The same iteration of Dante who got victimized by statue Mundus and needed to fully activate the Devil Sword Sparda to fight back against the real deal. Lastly, DMC's UES goes brrr and Mundus out scales Nightmare simply by virtue of his ability to restrain the monster in the first place.
I'd like to add that the 2025 statements are not themselves contradictions to the 2023 statements whatsoever. In fact the 2023 statements seem to be an interpretive key filtering them. Not being connected to the main DMC story is literally just saying it's in an alternate timeline which has been the consistent stance this far. The second being an alternative story inspired by the DMC series which technically works with the 2023 statements given that an alternate universe retelling the same events with additional adventures would by technicality be inspired by the main timeline. So again, nothing really big to see here folks and besides the recent info on PoC for the app info literally says DMC PoC inherently has a consistent worldview with the main timeline which retroactively reaffirms the 2023 statements yet again.
The rest @SuperSonicTL has already delved into with direct evidence of Lady only having fought a fragment of Hellfilth in her nightmares. So no need for a dilemma on that count @ShadowWhoWalks.
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He don't respond to me on verse CRTs no mo
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So you don't deny what I said then.
We do not scale Mundus, Trish or the Generals to the parallel universe variants. If they have scaling from the original that's a completely different thing.
Again, you agree we don't scale parallel universe variants to the main version, it doesn't matter how similar or different the universes are.
You didn't bring much of anything. Reusing the same old outdated FAQ doesn't support your case either.
Allow me to reiterate, we do NOT scale the main versions to parallel universes counterparts. You arguing it is part of the DMC multiverse doesn't help you in any way.
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An official moderator and developer told Sevil the fake 1.0 scans weren't photoshoped, remember that? what makes this guy more reliable than the other one? what makes any statement they make in the general chat reliable at all beyond the FaQ in the official channels? Nothing. Hell, kbryant is Jason, the guy who does the streams and he lied to Sevil.
You can't be seriously telling us to take this one seriously when someone with apparently more power over the game was lying.
NGL all of you are either confused or not reading. I don't care that the game is a parallel universe, I don't care that it is in the same multiverse if even that. I care that it has no connection to the main series story and that we DO NOT scale the main universe profiles to the variant universes feats. All of you arguing that PoC is a parallel universe are doing absolutely nothing to prove why our profile of Dante should scale.
Again, examples. We don't scale Trish, Mundus, the Generals, Sparda or Nelo to the parallel universe of Volume 2.
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Like people, read the OP, I never said that PoC wasn't part of the multiverse, just that it is not connected to the main universe and thus should have no bearing on its power or scaling.
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I am establishing that the context its different lol. Void mundus and alternate trish thing isnt cuz they are alternate universes one, its cuz they are mega amped version/evolved by them. Not close with whats happenings to poc cuz begging of game dante its litterally just main rimeline dante that experienced dmc3 but not dmc1 yet, but if we were to play that game then alternate trish would have no scaling to main timeline generals anymore like she does atm cuz "we already dont scale parallel universes lol"
The other arguments are whatever but this one in specific flawed cuz we do cross scale to void timeline to main timeline despite it being a parallel universe.
Generals don't have any scaling to void timeline cuz whats there to add from it? Void timeline adds nothing
reboot its also completly different, false equivalence. Reboot dante didnt experienced dmc3 or whatever. He didnt experienced anything our dante did. Poc dante did.
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Ah yeah, cuz a rando demon showing up and nuking the multiverse has the exact same context as the main series.
My guy, like Sonic and Unoriginal love to remark, the story and everything is different. Pluto is alive, Vergil is alive and not a slave, Hellfilth is a thing, time travel happens left, etc. This is obviously NOT the same context as main DMC and like I said it has no connection to the main universe. Why should it scale when the scope and the power is obviously through the roof here?
Again, the void timeline scaling to the main universe isn't the same as the main universe scaling to the void timeline, examples I already mentioned.
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I am saying void mundus and alternate trish exemples are flawed, chz contextual are them being evolved/amped versions of ours, bassically what if Trish was mega amped by mundus or what if mundus won and evolved, it will be different if poc dante was idk he absorbed vergil and mundus (random exemple)
The other stuff is more specific stuff I need to fully check the rest of poc, just talking about the context of reboot and void timeline.
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Same thing happens with PoC. The context is a **** ton different from the main story, hence the FaQ I posted in the OP.
But yeah, we are running into circles. Let staff decide.
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Actually it does help my argument as the DMC multiverse as we have explained for the umpteenth time has already been demonstrated to work on a principle of possibility deviation and how minor or major those deviations happen to range from. PoC's timeline as we've stated over and over again only deviated by the inclusion of PoC's events. Nothing else. 1, 2, 3, and 4 still happen therein necessitating a consistent scaling given the possibilities can't deviate that much with only a single real difference during a period of time that takes place only shortly after events that are the same as 3's in the main timeline. Also how is the FAQ outdated if you provided no reasoning to support it being outdated besides your claim that they are.
Second, unless you can provide evidence this new moderator is unreliable I'm going to have to slam you with another hitchens razor. One person's unreliability doesn't obtain another's. That's assumptive. The person was hired as is by the developer team to moderate PoC server as of more recent events and until a contradiction between the reality of the game and the moderator's word can be derived you can kindly take your assumption and toss it into the garbage where it belongs. Third, for Kybryant and the streams the fact that PoC is hosting him and hasn't pulled him to the side for what he has spoken on the streams shows the streams he's done are reliable in and of themselves. Either provide him being forced to make a public apology given the content of the streams or evidence of stream retraction or fold. Afterall, these streams are so important the developers put them up on their YT channel for all to see (even those without YT accounts) as opposed to just Discorders.
Lastly, what's this about this infamous moderator lying: unless he gave the scans he likely wasn't lying and probably made a clerical error seeing as what he's consistently certain about is that the scans are not present in the as of then current build of the game. Sevil upon pushing for deeper confirmation only gets the response that he shouldn't think to hard about it and given how the mod told Sevil to simply go back to the main game instead of worrying about stuff from old builds it's clear the guy didn't know much about the old build and only gave a guess. We can't fault the mod for what he clearly was unknowledgeable about given he implicitly implies he knows just about nothing as it pertains to the older builds by his acknowledgement that he can only say with certainty that the scans weren't present in the build present during that period of time and made a genuine guess about the infamous fake scans as it were.
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Yeah, we doesn't scales between variants of character like that unless you have explicit evidences for cross scaling. They are in the same multiverse doesn't matter, they still experiences different plot, story, having different feats that belong to them, as they are different continuities. Like we doesn't even cross scaling Void Mundus timeline with Main timeline
So i agree with the thread
So i agree with the thread
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I will start counting votes.
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So you are saying PoC Dante is 2-A whereas main Dante is 2-C because reasons?
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Yeah?, like, we don't cross-scaling between different continuities, unless explicit evidences for it
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How about the evidence we mentioned as nauseam wherein the only difference between the main timeline and the PoC timeline is just PoC happening. The other games and side materials happen exactly the same outside of that and nothing implies any characters pumped iron. How's that for explicit in a multiverse that is based on how wide or small a divergence is between timelines?
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Different timeline is different timeline, they have different feats, events happening similar to each others isn't the proof for cross-scaling.
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Given that PoC seemingly follows the same events with only tiny deviations, nothing seems to justify their PoC incarnations being that much stronger than their main timeline counterparts.
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Not similar. Oh no, the same with recent information confirming the same worldview with only a small divergence. PoC slotted between 1-4.
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Did you even read the replies I made? The moderator literally is saying it is expanding the multiverse concept and deviation is minimum whatsoever?
Your logic is utterly flawed. There is no indication this is some kind of continuity regarding crossovers like PGR, SMT and so on.
Itsuno and Capcom themselves verified every inch of its development and said it is very researched to their original work and is actively participating in its development and plot.
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??, the fact that they are different timelines and have different feats already enough to not cross-scaling
Same worldview only allow you to cross-scaling universal elements such as cosmology, demon physiology and thing, same person perform different feats will not cross-scaling. This is literally how we do thing on the wiki
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That works for me
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So by your logic in a multiverse like DMC's where possibilities are either smaller or closer a alt timeline wherein the only difference is an alternate adventure slotted between 3 and 1 without any change to 3 and 1 (Dante can't oneshot Mundus narratively and as a result of this we're somehow we're gonna need to argue Mundus got infinity times stronger despite 1 and the build up to it being the same implying Mundus was only unsealing himself) somehow means that the adventure in between even if it has some new feats doesn't passively add context to the scaling of 1, no instead that doesn't work for you it seems. Fair enough. We won't press further. Your vote will be accepted for what it is.
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What different feats allows you to jump from 2-C to 2-A? Even the mainline Beastheads have shown 2-A range of abilities casually as a supporting evidence.
Not quite. The feats themselves don’t suddenly stop mattering just because the character is performing them in different contexts.
When the elements involved like cosmology, physiology or universal laws are consistent then the feats still scale to the character as a whole. They’re still the same person with the same abilities under the same rules. Treating them as entirely separate just because the feats vary in expression doesn’t make sense when the underlying system is the same..
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So you do concede it's an alternative timeline? Good to know.
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Let their vote be what it is. No need pushing it. There are other mods who'll make their vote sooner or later.
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LOL, LMAO EVEN
BRUH have you not been paying attention? that's why I said nothing of what all of you been arguing is relevant... I NEVER contested PoC being an alternative/parallel timeline, I said there was no reason for main to scale to it
SMH yall should have read the OP instead of coming in hot from our discord talks
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But you did actually. You argued against the validity of the FAQs and the mods in successive posts.
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And did they say Main timeline Dante is as strong as his PoC counterpart?. Idk why you brought up crossovers like PRG or SMT, they are collab, crossover with completely different verses, while what i said was completely didn't even involving them, you are moving the goalpost
Did anyone contest PoC not being apart of DMC multiverse???, why multiverse concept have anything to do with direct cross-scaling between two variants of the same character who performed wildly different feats and have wildly different scaling?
2-A range knowledge, sure?, that is his feats?, you are trying to make connection that is nonexistent in the first place
??, bro what?, no one deny Dante's abilities or his feats, issue is, you are cross-scaling between variants of the same character who performed wildly different feats
Like literally, i don't like bringing up other verses or whataboutism, but we have Dragon Ball as a prime example, do we cross-scaling between variants of Goku despite all those variants has almost the same major storyline?
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At this point, I really don’t think the specific feats matter as much within tiers but whatever... Let’s just apply the thread and move on. This back-and-forth is getting way too exhausting for my taste at this rate.
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Yeah we might as well wait for the mods. This is becoming a bit tiresome at this rate.
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btw I didn't
I argued that the old FaQ has no validity when presented with the updated one (I think? your link doesn't work)
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The link being broken at this point is just fitting. Honestly waiting for the mods is all that's left for the thread at this point.
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Who's gonna make profiles for PoC Dante and Vergil now?
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