Ditto VS Ditto (0-0-0)

[JustANormalLemon]

Ben 10 Ditto still only has time to create an extra clone or 2 before Pokemon Ditto follows suit. All of Pokemon Ditto's clones are stronger so having an extra clone doens't really do much

you know what exponential grow means? having 2 clones mean he soon will have 8 while ditto is still on 4 and keeps going, and they are only 50% more durable

 

[Mickey1940]

you know what exponential grow means? having 2 clones mean he soon will have 8 while ditto is still on 4 and keeps going, and they are only 50% more durable

The problem with this is that Ben 10 Dittos will die substantially faster compared to Pokemon Ditto's Ditto's. Not to mention considering how both duplicate themselves instantly, even with the exponential growth advantage Ben has, he won't be able to overwhelm Ditto since they both duplicate at instantaneous rates.

At the end of the day it all depends on who runs out of stamina first since it's just a massive clone battle that can probably overflow the battlefield. Of the 2, Pokemon Ditto has a much better advantage in this regard

 

[JustANormalLemon]

The problem with this is that Ben 10 Dittos will die substantially faster compared to Pokemon Ditto's Ditto's. Not to mention considering how both duplicate themselves instantly, even with the exponential growth advantage Ben has, he won't be able to overwhelm Ditto since they both duplicate at instantaneous rates.

At the end of the day it all depends on who runs out of stamina first since it's just a massive clone battle that can probably overflow the battlefield. Of the 2, Pokemon Ditto has a much better advantage in this regard

Both duplicate at the same rate, he would always have 2 times the amount of clones as ditto has

But here is the fun part, while ditto relly on his own stamina to keep the transformation, ben rellies on the ominitrix

And in a fight, the more clones more stamina will be drained

Even if ben get's exausted, ditto will just tire him self into detransforming

Also we are forgetting that ben to go move with ditto whem fighting someone that can clone It self is running around while thinking of a plan

 

[Mickey1940]

Both duplicate at the same rate, he would always have 2 times the amount of clones as ditto has

But here is the fun part, while ditto relly on his own stamina to keep the transformation, ben rellies on the ominitrix

And in a fight, the more clones more stamina will be drained

Even if ben get's exausted, ditto will just tire him self into detransforming

Also we are forgetting that ben to go move with ditto whem fighting someone that can clone It self is running around while thinking of a plan

Ben's profile says that his stamina is reliant on which Alien he transforms into

Ben 10 Ditto's stamina is unknown while Ditto's is superhuman

Ben 10 Ditto's stamina will decrease as normal when actually cloning himself, just like Pokemon Ditto. Except Pokemon Ditto has straight up better stamina feats

Pokemon Ditto isn't stupid. Not to mention, there's nothing in Ben's surroundings (other than sticks or rocks or smthn) nor arsenal (every other alien is restricted) that can help him even if he does have a plan. Pokemon Ditto's clones naturally outskill by scaling to the likes of fighting type pokemon like Machamp

 

[AceOfSpaces3709]

• While inside the game it can transform into any Pokémon and copy exactly the stats, powers, attacks and appearance except the HP of the opponent, it is argued that Ditto rarely transforms into an opponent weaker than itself in combat. It is suggested that thread starters state the starting level/tier of Ditto. For reference, the current tier of Pikachu (one of the most notable starter Pokémon) is at most Low 7-B. If the thread starter wishes to set the floor tier of Ditto, he should state that in the starting thread and Pikachu will be the floor tier. However, the ceiling tier of Ditto should limit to the tier of Mew is 5-B.

Ditto's floor is Low 7B, and his ceiling is 5B

I don't think read the full note, cause if you did you would've seen that it only lists the floor tier as an EXAMPLE (which is why Ditto has numerous matches with characters that are in tier 10, tier 9, and tier 8. Something I brought up that you had no answer to.) Also Ditto has transformed into things weaker than itself as in the USUM games there's a side quest where you need to find like 7 Dittos that were masquerading as humans. But that doesn't matter now as either way this baseless stonewall claim is irrelevant because I updated the OP.

Ben's profile says that his stamina is reliant on which Alien he transforms into

Ben 10 Ditto's stamina is unknown while Ditto's is superhuman

Ben 10 Ditto's stamina will decrease as normal when actually cloning himself, just like Pokemon Ditto. Except Pokemon Ditto has straight up better stamina feats

Pokemon Ditto isn't stupid. Not to mention, there's nothing in Ben's surroundings (other than sticks or rocks or smthn) nor arsenal (every other alien is restricted) that can help him even if he does have a plan. Pokemon Ditto's clones naturally outskill by scaling to the likes of fighting type pokemon like Machamp

Alien Ditto's Stamina needs to be updated as he was able to outrun Khyber's Panuncian (an alien that hunts Splixons, Ditto's species) for around several hours straight while navigating through dense jungle, scorching desert, freezing tundra, and dark caves, and they weren't really tired with one of clones even claiming that he could do this all day.

Also Pokémon Ditto doesn't outskill in any way, not even by a long shot. First and foremost Ditto DOES NOT scale to Machamp, it only scales to Machop (As stated on Ditto's profile)

Below Average normally (Capable of coherent speech between other Pokémon, a degree of understanding of commands and social situations, and can solve minor puzzles, though still mostly driven by instinct), Above Average in combat (Pokémon are hard-wired for battle, even in the wild can master many moves and replicate the likes of Machop which train in all martial arts)

who's only in the process of learning all the world's martial arts (Given it's the world of Pokémon, there's likely over 190 of them) which don't get me wrong is impressive, but Alien Ditto has Ben's intelligence, skill, and experience.

Ben was able to defeat Vilgax in combat on several occasions, Vilgax is a 200+ year old warlord who casually conquered 10 planets and defeated 10 heroes that inhabited them, some of those heroes were the Galactic Enforcers, who are kind of like the Guardians of the Galaxy. As a 10-year-old, Ben was able to impressive the team's leader, Ultimos, who after seeing him fight once as Four Arms, made Ben a temporary member of the team, to top it off this was years before Ben could properly throw hands with Vilgax.

Ben has also had plenty of experience fighting opponents who can copy his alien forms and powers such as Albedo, Kevin Levin, the Naljian Destructor, and even alternate versions of himself.

So when it comes to skill and intelligence, Ben has the high ground

 

[Mickey1940]

I don't think read the full note, cause if you did you would've seen that it only lists the floor tier as an EXAMPLE (which is why Ditto has numerous matches with characters that are in tier 10, tier 9, and tier 8. Something I brought up that you had no answer to.) Also Ditto has transformed into things weaker than itself as in the USUM games there's a side quest where you need to find like 7 Dittos that were masquerading as humans. But that doesn't matter now as either way this baseless stonewall claim is irrelevant because I updated the OP.


Alien Ditto's Stamina needs to be updated as he was able to outrun Khyber's Panuncian (an alien that hunts Splixons, Ditto's species) for around several hours straight while navigating through dense jungle, scorching desert, freezing tundra, and dark caves, and they weren't really tired with one of clones even claiming that he could do this all day.

Also Pokémon Ditto doesn't outskill in any way, not even by a long shot. First and foremost Ditto DOES NOT scale to Machamp, it only scales to Machop (As stated on Ditto's profile)

Below Average normally (Capable of coherent speech between other Pokémon, a degree of understanding of commands and social situations, and can solve minor puzzles, though still mostly driven by instinct), Above Average in combat (Pokémon are hard-wired for battle, even in the wild can master many moves and replicate the likes of Machop which train in all martial arts)

who's only in the process of learning all the world's martial arts (Given it's the world of Pokémon, there's likely over 190 of them) which don't get me wrong is impressive, but Alien Ditto has Ben's intelligence, skill, and experience.

Ben was able to defeat Vilgax in combat on several occasions, Vilgax is a 200+ year old warlord who casually conquered 10 planets and defeated 10 heroes that inhabited them, some of those heroes were the Galactic Enforcers, who are kind of like the Guardians of the Galaxy. As a 10-year-old, Ben was able to impressive the team's leader, Ultimos, who after seeing him fight once as Four Arms, made Ben a temporary member of the team, to top it off this was years before Ben could properly throw hands with Vilgax.

Ben has also had plenty of experience fighting opponents who can copy his alien forms and powers such as Albedo, Kevin Levin, the Naljian Destructor, and even alternate versions of himself.

So when it comes to skill and intelligence, Ben has the high ground

1. That's definitely fair but there's really nothing stopping Ditto from deactivating his transformation and then proceeding to stonewall.
2. Pokemon like Mystery Dungeon Charizard can fight for a day straight withno breaks
3. Machop is a master martial artist in its own right, being able to utilize every form of martial art. Machamp is that on steroids
4. Afaik no one in Ben 10 has Machop's level of sheer martial skill. Even claiming that Ben has more experience fighting a larger variety of aliens and villains is false, since there's over 1000 species of unique pokemon that Ditto can keep up with. Although not all of those pokemon are necessarily skilled fighters (like Baby or 1st stage pokemon), that still leaves quite a few hundred
5. pretty sure Vilgax did that through sheer raw strength, and doesn't have any actual notable skill feats

Ben might have had a lot of time being a main character but Ditto as a species can do a LOT more than you could expect