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Discord Ability Additions

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After looking around on the MLP wiki I found some interesting quotes that could could add some abilities for Discord.

The first comes from a storybook. A Unicorn named Eclipse curses the Cutie Mark Crusaders with bad luck. After going to Starlight about it, she teleports herself and them to Discord's realm and the curse fails. When Discord finds them he explains the curse is failing because logic does not exist in his realm. So possibly Physics Manipulation for Discord?

The second sounds like some form of Abstract Existence? I found a description of him on HubNetwork saying this: "Discord is a magical and very powerful Draconequus (part-dragon/part-pony) who embodies the spirit of chaos and confusio." He definitely has some connection to chaos. If he really is It's "embodiment" as described then it kinda makes sense he'd fade away when acting non-chaotic.

Statistics Amplification The CMC bickering is heavily implied to have set him free. True the seal was weakening since Celestia no longer had connections to the EoH, but his statue didn't begin explicitly cracking until the CMC got into a fight.

Finally, a better justification for powernulling. Here he outright nullifies magic used on him by blowing it away.
 
The first isn't Law manipulation, physics is fine

I need more context about the abstract existence, i'm 120% sure he don't embody on an abstract scale the chaos and the confusion, it could be just a classification.

The causality stuff isn't causality

the rest seem fine i guess
 
The Causality said:
I need more context about the abstract existence, i'm 120% sure he don't embody on an abstract scale the chaos and the confusion, it could be just a classification.

The causality stuff isn't causality
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1. That's pretty much it. He just gets stated to embody the sprit of chaos. It's basically a description of him. I could try to find other context, but so far that's all I've found.

2. Really? It looks like it. Event A: (Berry Punch Sneezing) causes event B: (houses falling) to happen.
 
Nope it's isn't Causality manip, it's just a basic effect of her Sneezing none ability are involved here, it's simply that her sneez is strong enough to makes "houses" falling
 
The Causality said:
Nope it's isn't Causality manip, it's just a basic effect of her Sneezing none ability are involved here, it's simply that her sneez is strong enough to makes "houses" falling
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As in Berry Punch is naturally powerful enough that her sneeze can knock down flattened houses? Could you elabotrate?
 
Edwardtruong2006 said:
I mean fodder ponies are 8-A
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Yeah, not with their breath. The implications aren't that Berry Punch sneezed hard enough to knock over houses, it's a prank pulled on her by Discord.
 
I don't think it's causality manipulation either. Just making a cause and effect isn't the same as actually manipulating it. Maybe the first isn't Law Manipulation but a rejection of law due to Chaos? I dunno. Rest seems fine.

By the way, in case anyone complains about using books over comics. I'm pretty sure the Ponyville Mysteries books are written by G.M. Berrow (though she uses a pen-name of an in-universe character to be cute), who is also a prolific writer for the show and its other spin-off media, so I think using those books are fine.

However, the books written by other writers are stupidly inconsistent with the show, even more so than the comics, so they should be thrown out.
 
Still waiting on someone to make an IDW Discord profile so Bill vs. Discord can actually be legitamate.

This seems fine to me. Though the Causality Manip is a bit dubious so it might be better to leave that out.
 
Darkanine said:
I don't think it's causality manipulation either. Just making a cause and effect isn't the same as actually manipulating it.
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Fair enough. If you're fine with Discord getting AE what type should he get? He obviously needs it to live, but he kinda feels like a type 3 with how he is typically portrayed.
 
well then what's the difference between Law Manipulation and Chaos Manipulation? One cancels the other out, otherwise he other couldn't exist in that environment.

And Type 3 Abstract sounds good. I think IDW Discord may actually have Type 2 though, interestingly.
 
Depends on how the series treats chaos. Some have it as nothingness, others as randomness and nonsense, others portray it as holding existence together. All of such abilities are found under our version of chaos manipulation (except maybe that last part)

On CM, would you consider him messing with Sugar Belle's wagon wheel a variant of that, or is him breaking the wheel in the bottle just him being figurative?
 
Physics manipulation, abstract existence, and the power nullification explanation seem fine, but I don't know why he should have statistics amplification.
 
Antvasima said:
Physics manipulation, abstract existence, and the power nullification explanation seem fine, but I don't know why he should have statistics amplification.
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Maybe that can just be more justification for abstract existence then?
 
Antvasima said:
Physics manipulation, abstract existence, and the power nullification explanation seem fine, but I don't know why he should have statistics amplification.
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Basically, his Statistics Manipulation would come from the assumption that the CMC getting into a fight caused chaos, which empowered him enough to break free from his weakened prison.
 
Okay. I suppose that might work then.
 
Antvasima said:
Okay. I will do so.
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Should I include a note or addition to why Discord gets type 3 AE instead of 2? Maybe something like:

"Note: While Discord is said to embody the spirit of chaos, and while the lack of it can kill him, we do not have definite proof that he can regenerate or is immortal because of it's existence."
 
I think that such a note seems fine to add.
 
Ok. I'm not sure if I should add a new note entirely (as there is already one talking about the size of the Sun), or add to the pre-existing one. I think I'll do the former for now.
 
Add a new text column under the preexisting note, and call it "Notes" (plural) instead.
 
Well, the laws of nature/physics are apparently completely disordered within his realm.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, the laws of nature/physics are apparently completely disordered within his realm.
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Did he create his own realm? And from what I know, to get Law and Physics Manipulation, you'd have to actually change those from an already existing Realm.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, the laws of nature/physics are apparently completely disordered within his realm.
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I personally think a thread should be made to get a better handle on what powers related to logic manipulation would grant.
 
DMB 1 said:
Did he create his own realm? And from what I know, to get Law and Physics Manipulation, you'd have to actually change those from an already existing Realm.
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One of the justifications for Pocket Reality Manipulation was the possibility that he created his realm, he also has displayed the ability to control his realm, such as adding and deleting gravity to it.
 
Does this actually apply to his own realm?

If then, he should have Physics/Gravity Manipulation, restricted only to his realm.
 
His realm just naturally doesn't have logic within it. However, this is because it is a world of pure chaos. Discord should have full control over chaos and it's nonsensical nature, as his powers are based on that aspect of chaos. So I personally think he can use it outside his realm.
 
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