Difference in Power between a Universal+ and a Universal Character?

[TheMightyRegulator]

Can this even be quantified. Just how much of a stomp would it be..?

 

[LordAizenSama]

it's infinite. universal+ chars are 4-d,universal are 3-d. its a horrible mismatch.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

it's infinite. universal+ chars are 4-d,universal are 3-d. its a horrible mismatch.

Jesus Christ...

 

[LordAizenSama]

Yeah, it goes crazy. Check out the Explanation on the Tiering page , it may help you

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Thanks. I'll do that.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

What about the difference between an Universal character and a High Universal character?

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

What about the difference between an Universal character and a High Universal character?

Universal- obversal universe buster

High universal- infinitely large universe buster

 

[Basilisk1995]

I have something to ask about this.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Iwakura_Lai

Please visit this page.You will notice that she has a victory over a 2-C(universe level+) character(Haruhi) while she herself is only 3-A(universe level).Even Misogi (her other victory) might also be 2-C if powerscaled to Medaka Kurokami.Now it can mean two things.

1.Lain should be upgraded to 2-C. or

2. A 3-A character might be able to beat a 2-C character under special circumstances.[For ex: the 2-C character has some 4-D powers but his body is only 3-D(like Hades).And the 3-A character has very strong hax abilities like infinite speed/universal reality warping]

My main question is that is it in any way possible for a 2-C character to be beaten by an extremely haxed 3-A character.

 

[LordAizenSama]

From the looks of that, the argument was Haruhi was essentially in character (unaware of her power) and she loses that way.

Also with Lain, are we sure shes not Low 2-C? it looks like the profile may be a bit outdated, considering it appears she has universe level reality warping which should qualify her for low 2-c, although i'm not familiar with her or the series at all

EDIT: oh, to your other question, No a extremely hax Tier 3 cannot beat a tier 2

 

[Basilisk1995]

Thanks.I guess I should make a different thread for Lain.

I think I need to clarify my case for 3-A vs 2-C a bit more.The 2-C character can create/destroy one space time continuum but his body is only 3-D(we have many example of this kind of characters) and cannot survive being erased from existence.While the 3-A character has mid-godly Regenerationn(thus the only way to beat him is to erase him of existence)and can erase any 3-D being out of existence.The 2-C character doesn't have any reality warping.He is only Massively FTL+ while the 3-A character has infinite speed.The 3-A character can't affect time but can create portals between dimensions.So if he thinks the universe he exists in is about to be destroyed then can create a portal and escape.Now Who wins???

 

[Antvasima]

Given that it is a glass cannon case, it likely depends on who strikes first.

 

[Basilisk1995]

Given that it is a glass cannon case, it likely depends on who strikes first.

Thanks for your answer.The 3-A has infinitely better speeed.So, he iss definitely gonna strike first.So in an almost impossibly rare case a 3-A might be able to beat a 2-C.

 

[KamiYasha]

The Kumagawa (i doubt about that victory), Tenchi and Z's Threads are broken.

 

[Master_of_Luck]

A 3-A/universal character is still just 3-dimensional. He or she is not affecting any 4-dimensional entity who would view him or her and the entire universe as a piece of drawing inside a paper.

I'm afraid a 2-C character would stomp a 3-A character.

 

[Basilisk1995]

A 3-A/universal character is still just 3-dimensional. He or she is not affecting any 4-dimensional entity who would view him or her and the entire universe as a piece of drawing inside a paper.
I'm afraid a 2-C character would stomp a 3-A character.

For that the character would also have to be 4-D.There are many characters who have 4-D powers but not 4-D body or the character himself is not 4-D but can affect 4-D.Simple proof:Seiya being able to hurt Hades.

 

[Antvasima]

That can also be because of inconsistency, Plot Induced Stupidity, "Did You Just Punch Out Cthulhu", or that the Saint Seiya writer has not thought through the whole higher dimensions issue.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Seiya managed to land a small hit on Hades because he was at the absolute peak of his power, Hades was barely trying and Hades's body is still only 3-Dimensional.

But yes, Kurumada isn't that smart with higher dimensions. Okada, Shiori and all the writers, though, are. They never have a character simply punch a High Level God because plot. They always try to come up with plot related excuses for it, like a God is powering the MC up / Villain being depowered, or protagonist being a Demigod, stuff like that.

 

[Basilisk1995]

Seiya managed to land a small hit on Hades because he was at the absolute peak of his power, Hades was barely trying and Hades's body is still only 3-Dimensional.
But yes, Kurumada isn't that smart with higher dimensions. Okada, Shiori and all the writers, though, are. They never have a character simply punch a High Level God because plot. They always try to come up with plot related excuses for it, like a God is powering the MC up / Villain being depowered, or protagonist being a Demigod, stuff like that.

What I tried to say that as long as your body is 3-D then a 3-A character may land a hit on you It might not hurt you.But if your body is 3-D(and your powers are 4-D like hades) you might get hit by a 3-A character.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Okay then, I get what you meant to say, and I agree.

Not to mention, if you actually see the fight, it's a ridiculous stomp for Hades.