Diavolo vs Pucci

[Axl233]

-Pucci has C-moon
-Battle takes place at Kennedy Space Center
-Both have prior knowledge
-30 meters from each other

 

[ZillertheBucko]

First question
I wonder if c moon’s gravity would still affect diavolo while he’s skipping time. I’m gonna assume no, but still gonna have to think about this one.

 

[Axl233]

First question
I wonder if c moon’s gravity would still affect diavolo while he’s skipping time. I’m gonna assume no, but still gonna have to think about this one.

I'm don't think so. In his POV he is on a vertical surface, unless if time erasure could screw up the physics around him.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

by the way
If I’m reading correctly then king crimson scales above 3.55 tons, while c moon scales to .796 and probably gets one shot here, not to mention he’s also way faster to the point of blitzing and uh
I don’t think pucci can actually win here
Will wait for more input though

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Following, but doesnt C-Moon have duraneg via gravity if they hit? So that could help Pucci, yeah?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Speed blitz kinda invalidates his dura neg

 

[Axl233]

Even with a blitz, Diavolo is gonna struggle to touch pucci without getting repelled by his gravity , plus having to dodge all the shit(like rockets,equipment, cars) thats is falling on him in the vertical surface, i'm don't think speed advantage gives a easy win.

 

[Chariot190]

Diavolo lowkey stomps (As in he very much does).
Epitaph + time Skip makes it so he straight up ain't getting touched by anything that could actually defeat him, it also lets him freely position himself into landing a killing blow free from the constraints of gravity.
He also blitzes, like we talking a speed blitz arguably worse than DIO vs. Emerald Splash. He also stat stomps, very, very, very, hard.
He outright one shots C-Moon, gravity ain't doing shit to stop that, even that two magnitudes weaker Stone Free could land hits on him and draw blood, if C-Moon tries to throw hands, he dies, not much more to it.
And I'm even going to say the gravity manip ain't gonna stop him from just punching Pucci's head off either given Post Coma crusty as **** Part 6 Plat could land a hit directly to his head and nearly incapacitated him casually, and Diavolo is going to be hitting harder than a casual out of shape Plat with far more bloodlust behind it.

And even if Pucci has prior knowledge, that ain't perfect, even those who know exactly what Diavolo can do get disoriented and confused when time skip occurs. And Diavolo doesn't even need it because precog go brrr.

 

[Chariot190]

I'm don't think so. In his POV he is on a vertical surface, unless if time erasure could screw up the physics around him.

It do be doing that, warps space along with time. Basically lets him do free movement while active, there's been points where he basically just floats through the "air" and then proceeds to stand there. Kinda like how DIO can borderline just fly while time is stopped.
King Crimson has also shown the ability to just scale vertical surfaces with raw strength anyway thou.

 

[Axl233]

Diavolo lowkey stomps (As in he very much does).
Epitaph + time Skip makes it so he straight up ain't getting touched by anything that could actually defeat him, it also lets him freely position himself into landing a killing blow free from the constraints of gravity.
He also blitzes, like we talking a speed blitz arguably worse than DIO vs. Emerald Splash. He also stat stomps, very, very, very, hard.
He outright one shots C-Moon, gravity ain't doing shit to stop that, even that two magnitudes weaker Stone Free could land hits on him and draw blood, if C-Moon tries to throw hands, he dies, not much more to it.
And I'm even going to say the gravity manip ain't gonna stop him from just punching Pucci's head off either given Post Coma crusty as **** Part 6 Plat could land a hit directly to his head and nearly incapacitated him casually, and Diavolo is going to be hitting harder than a casual out of shape Plat with far more bloodlust behind it.

And even if Pucci has prior knowledge, that ain't perfect, even those who know exactly what Diavolo can do get disoriented and confused when time skip occurs. And Diavolo doesn't even need it because precog go brrr.

Can Diavolo even reach him in time tho before time-erasure runs out? He only blitzes with Kimg Crimson if he gets within range and he has piss low range and needs to reach pucci in CQC,

But if what you said is true, Making speed=equal would make this less of a stomp?(i'm don't want to put him against MIH pucci because i fell like he just blitzes and one shots king crimson)

 

[Chariot190]

He can spam that shit, so even if he couldn't cover 30m with his, to be blunt, absolutely dumb as shit movement speed (Scales to Mista, by proxy of Bruno in his body, keeping up with him in Mista's body), it ain't stopping him from just doing it again, he's also faster than Pucci in movement so he's covering more ground so Pucci can't exactly flee, not like he has a choice, given he or C-Moon must engage to even win as they lack any long range attack options.

MIH Pucci is even worse, he has to actually accelerate to the point he can blitz King Crimson, and he ain't doing that before Diavolo just precogs into time skip and kills him. Him blitzing Post-Coma Jotaro ain't a very good indicator btw of anything, that mf got the good ol v.1.0.6 nerf, surprised he even showed up to the fight (except actually, like 84% of his muscle had atrophied, how he can even walk is beyond me) and despite being beyond nerfed, he's still somehow outclassing the fodder that is the part 6 gang

 

[Axl233]

He can spam that shit, so even if he couldn't cover 30m with his, to be blunt, absolutely dumb as shit movement speed (Scales to Mista, by proxy of Bruno in his body, keeping up with him in Mista's body), it ain't stopping him from just doing it again, he's also faster than Pucci in movement so he's covering more ground so Pucci can't exactly flee, not like he has a choice, given he or C-Moon must engage to even win as they lack any long range attack options.

MIH Pucci is even worse, he has to actually accelerate to the point he can blitz King Crimson, and he ain't doing that before Diavolo just precogs into time skip and kills him. Him blitzing Post-Coma Jotaro ain't a very good indicator btw of anything, that mf got the good ol v.1.0.6 nerf, surprised he even showed up to the fight (except actually, like 84% of his muscle had atrophied, how he can even walk is beyond me) and despite being beyond nerfed, he's still somehow outclassing the fodder that is the part 6 gang

BTW, could Pucci with prior knowledge just set up a trap after 10 seconds?in advance of epitaph?

Nah, MIH pucci first thing he did in character after getting Made In Heaven is getting the **** away from the gang, hiding and wating time accel to stack up enough for a blitz, when he gets enough time he just blitzes Diavolo with MFTL+ speed difference(If we use Pucci post-reset thats even worse because he can accelerate 8000X+ from the get go.)

 

[Axl233]

Also that would screw Diavolo over because if he just erases 10 seconds into the future that would just skip to the part were Made In Heaven is faster then KC.

 

[Chariot190]

BTW, could Pucci with prior knowledge just set up a trap after 10 seconds?in advance of epitaph?

No, prior knowledge isn't prep, and even then, what teh **** is he gonna do? Traps ain't working on a dude who can just skip past setting off a trap, not like Pucci has ever even done that to begin with.

Nah, MIH pucci first thing he did in character after getting Made In Heaven is getting the **** away from the gang, hiding and wating time accel to stack up enough for a blitz,

And the length of time he waited there, would not be enough to blitz King Crimson, he would have to wait, unironically, over 25 minutes based on his initial acceleration to blitz King Crimson. He isn't going to actually do that because Diavolo just skips time, gets up to his ass, and one shots him, because reminder, he has free movement in time skip, everything else does not, contrary to the anime, they're actually portrayed as layered images, he doesn't have to "follow" pucci or whatever you think might be happening, he skips time, he's going to know where Pucci is by the end of it as the future forecasts have already been shown (that and he can use epitaph in time skip), and just go there instead.

when he gets enough time he just blitzes Diavolo with MFTL+ speed difference(If we use Pucci post-reset thats even worse because he can accelerate 8000X+ from the get go.)

The second time post reset would happen a lot quicker, less than a minute to hit blitzing speeds taking like 30+ seconds is still pushing it unless you start them like a 100m apart, but at that point that's just stacking the fight to have Pucci win
it's also way the **** above 8000x second time around, it started off like 147929.14x within the first second, but that, unironically, isn't enough, remember, Pucci himself ain't actually that fast, he has to crunch time enough to bridge the gap to MFTL.

Also that would screw Diavolo over because if he just erases 10 seconds into the future that would just skip to the part were Made In Heaven is faster then KC.

As mentioned, it's gonna take longer than just 10 seconds to actually get fast enough to blitz, best case scenario, you're looking at like, assuming an exponential increase a second, like 15-20 seconds and if he abuses epitaph's causality manip, it probably wouldnt matter how fast pucci becomes as long as he gets a vision that shows him landing a hit

Only way MIH Pucci is beating a serious Diavolo is if they start far apart to where Diavolo just can not get to him within two-time skips assuming we use post reset MIH initial MIH is straight up bad, takes to long to do anything

 

[Axl233]

No, prior knowledge isn't prep, and even then, what teh **** is he gonna do? Traps ain't working on a dude who can just skip past setting off a trap, not like Pucci has ever even done that to begin with.

Fair point, if KC stomps C-moon then making it speed equal(or prep) would change literally anything?(while we are at it how about whitesnake with speed equal or prior knowledge)

Only way MIH Pucci is beating a serious Diavolo is if they start far apart to where Diavolo just can not get to him within two-time skips assuming we use post reset MIH initial MIH is straight up bad, takes to long to do anything

Post-universe reset pucci initial acceleration made him run circles around Weather Report with him frozen is his perspective(if we say that Weather Report is like bare minimun ftl and we use the multiplier 147929.14x that you mentioned he would blitz Diavolo)

And the length of time he waited there, would not be enough to blitz King Crimson, he would have to wait, unironically, over 25 minutes based on his initial acceleration to blitz King Crimson. He isn't going to actually do that because Diavolo just skips time, gets up to his ass, and one shots him, because reminder, he has free movement in time skip, everything else does not, contrary to the anime, they're actually portrayed as layered images, he doesn't have to "follow" pucci or whatever you think might be happening, he skips time, he's going to know where Pucci is by the end of it as the future forecasts have already been shown (that and he can use epitaph in time skip), and just go there instead.

Diavolo only has athletic level travel speed, he needs to get on top of Pucci in order to blitz with King Crimson, Meanwhile Pucci starts with both ftl combat and Travel Speed and can just keep his distance until he stacks enough acceleration not to mention that like i said he would be hiding from Diavolo and the only way he would get detected as if he for some reason blows out his cover and showed up, so epitaph coud track him.If wans't for King Crimson piss-low range he would clap Pucci.But pucci could just simply play the wating game and abuse that weakness until he gets strong enough to kill Diavolo.

 

[Chariot190]

Fair point, if KC stomps C-moon then making it speed equal(or prep) would change literally anything?(while we are at it how about whitesnake with speed equal or prior knowledge)

Prep he might be able to get melting off.

Post-universe reset pucci initial acceleration made him run circles around Weather Report with him frozen is his perspective(if we say that Weather Report is like bare minimun ftl and we use the multiplier 147929.14x that you mentioned he would blitz Diavolo)

He ain't. Weather is actually confirmed sublight. At best, he might be relativistic due to Stone Free deflecting meteors scaling to him.
And that's him with the 147929.14x multiplier, not before. Before, he's like barely peak human.

I can't stress this enough, I already did the math on all this shit given people in chat can't go a week without arguing about this shit, it'd take like 15-20 seconds for post reset to hit MFTL with a start-up of 147929.14x.

Diavolo only has athletic level travel speed,

Yeah and it's wrong as ****, don't think that ain't gonna be changed eventually. The Part 5 cast are the fastest JoJo characters when it comes to movement that aren't Pillar Men or diego. And no offense, but I'm not gonna pretend he's actually a magnitude slower because the profile is outdated when everyone here knows he can run after Mista's body.

he needs to get on top of Pucci in order to blitz with King Crimson,

Yes. Time skip, done. Pucci is also gonna be disoriented as well. ****, King Crimson could just toss a pebble to abuse the acceleration of objects and straight up one shot Pucci and MIH if he wanted, he can and has thrown objects before to fight.

Meanwhile Pucci starts with both ftl combat and Travel Speed

No he doesn't. He starts off with subsonic travel speed initially, sub-rel post reset. Combat speed might be a tad faster, but even then, you're still looking at a notable length of time to hit MFTL.

and can just keep his distance until he stacks enough acceleration not to mention that like i said he would be hiding from Diavolo and the only way he would get detected as if he for some reason blows out his cover and showed up,

Or, Diavolo skips time, all obstacles get removed, and he sees the forecasts of all living things. Or uses Epitaph to see a dozen odd seconds into the future to figure out where he is.

so epitaph coud track him.If wans't for King Crimson piss-low range he would clap Pucci.

He can literally just skip time, move up to him in time skip, and call it a day. Or flick a pebble and hit Pucci with a pebble that gets time accel'd, that's gonna be multiple times faster than him, and also gets boosted KE.

But pucci could just simply play the wating game and abuse that weakness until he gets strong enough to kill Diavolo.

Pucci doesn't even do that in character, he only did initially, not because he was waiting for speed, but because he, himself, didn't understand what was happening, and Jotaro points out as much that he likely hasn't realized his ability yet. Which is why he was being careful, not to stall, but to avoid fighting a group of dudes without knowing he could blitz.
And let's assume he would stall, he ain't getting away from Diavolo if he starts off at only subsonic, and post-reset, sure, he could get away, if Diavolo wasn't faster on the draw at first.

MIH initially is actual trash, it's bad. And post-reset, it's good, but still takes time to actually contend with the god tiers, even if that length of time is only a dozen odd seconds, in a match against Diavolo who immediately goes for the kill 99% of the time and abuses precog and thus would know he has to, that gimmick doesnt work as well.

 

[Theamz]

Diavolo easily wins. He has a massive speed advantage, he would be capable of one shorting pucci with 0 effort and Time erasure + Epitaph would make it impossible for pucci to even land any blows on him. As for C-moon’s gravity, everytime diavolo uses time erasure, everything just disappears including the floor he stands on and during the final fight against giorno, we see he kinda floats. So with that, it’s very likely he could simply ignore C-moon gravity shift during his time erasure.