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Original Japanese: ÒüäÒüÿÒüÆÒéôÒâøÒâ╝Òâ½, or lit. "Dimensional-Breaking Hole"
Sorry.
Sorry.
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Dialga VS. Palkia
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The problem is that this description is only from the American version, originally just said "Dimensional Hole". Hoppa already had Higher Dimensional Manipulation here before, but was removed because it was not from the original source and only from the American adaptation.
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Well, I'll have to keep waiting for the remakes...
Or gen 8 with luck.
Or gen 8 with luck.
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Sorry, Ravel, but you got ninja'd.
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Im pretty sure we go off of the english versions of pokemon moves all the time though.
Not saying Hoopa should get it back, that's just what I recall. I can be wrong.
....yeah a professor can be wrong :v
Not saying Hoopa should get it back, that's just what I recall. I can be wrong.
....yeah a professor can be wrong :v
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So Kid Boo > Super Boo? The official, incorrect English translation says that.
Obviously not.
Obviously not.
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Different case.
Your example is using manga translations from a STORY.
This is just talking about move descriptions.
Of course the former is wrong because thats going against material from the story itself, not like moves would.
But like I said, this is just what I remember. If I am wrong, I am wrong.
Your example is using manga translations from a STORY.
This is just talking about move descriptions.
Of course the former is wrong because thats going against material from the story itself, not like moves would.
But like I said, this is just what I remember. If I am wrong, I am wrong.
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but Palkia can only minupulate one dimension of Length, one dimension of width, and one dimension of height. Palkia isn't 9th or 12th dimensional.
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Both examples address the same thing. You shouldn't trust mistranslations of the original Japanese.
The English translation goes against material from the original version, too.
The English translation goes against material from the original version, too.
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@Yobo, Maybe, just maybe, I could accept this argument.
Palkia has some control over the fourth dimension of space, being the fifth dimension in general.
If he has control over the spacial dimension consisting of the different timelines, which he does, and so does Dialga, then I would accept this match as inconclusive (which I do now)
even If Dialga used time minupulation, he is only doing it for ONE timeline, and since Palkia has a bunch of timelines to affect at once, changing ONE timeline (of 3+1 dimensions) won't do muct.
I change my vote to inconclusive due to multiversal reasons
Palkia has some control over the fourth dimension of space, being the fifth dimension in general.
If he has control over the spacial dimension consisting of the different timelines, which he does, and so does Dialga, then I would accept this match as inconclusive (which I do now)
even If Dialga used time minupulation, he is only doing it for ONE timeline, and since Palkia has a bunch of timelines to affect at once, changing ONE timeline (of 3+1 dimensions) won't do muct.
I change my vote to inconclusive due to multiversal reasons
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^ the following is based on the assumption that both Diagla and Palkia have Absolute control over the first three spacial dimensions, only Diagla has limited, almost nonexistant control of the 4th dimension of time (due to only being able to control ONE timeline at a time (see the pun)), and then both have balenced (the same) control over all the spaces of thousands of timelines (limited, but large 5th dimensional control)
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@Mega
Thing is, Pokemon as we know it is strictly 4-D.
Also, where is it shown/stated that Dialga can only control a single timeline at once?
Thing is, Pokemon as we know it is strictly 4-D.
Also, where is it shown/stated that Dialga can only control a single timeline at once?
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>Thing is, Pokemon as we know it is strictly 4-D
Inconclusive for this reaso
>Also, where is it shown/stated that Dialga can only control a single timeline at once?
We know Dialga can control the time dimension of A single timeline, but we have no proof of him controlling the time dimension of multiple timelines at once. Until we can get proof that he can control the time dimension of multiple timelines at once, he... doesn't, at least not yetAlso this does not count destructive capabilities, as we know both him and Palkia can easily wipe out timelines, just not control them at absolute.
Inconclusive for this reaso
>Also, where is it shown/stated that Dialga can only control a single timeline at once?
We know Dialga can control the time dimension of A single timeline, but we have no proof of him controlling the time dimension of multiple timelines at once. Until we can get proof that he can control the time dimension of multiple timelines at once, he... doesn't, at least not yetAlso this does not count destructive capabilities, as we know both him and Palkia can easily wipe out timelines, just not control them at absolute.
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Most of these are joke responses
Serious answer, Dialga is shown to be somewhat stronger than Palkia in Rise of Darkrai, so I'm going with him.
Serious answer, Dialga is shown to be somewhat stronger than Palkia in Rise of Darkrai, so I'm going with him.
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Dialga for Bruce's reasons
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I thought that was only because Palkia's gem was damaged?BruceTheBatman said:
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That still shows that Dialga gained the upper hand, seeing as he injured Palkia
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But it could easily go both ways. If Palkia hit Dialga's gem then he would have the upperhand. Honestly these two are just so even. I am going with Palkia via cry inconclusive.
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Going with Dialga still via typing
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They are comparable so I guess it just comes down to hax and I personally believe time hax > space hax so either inconclusive or Dialga
I guess I'll go with inconclusive since they have fought several times and have never successfully taken out the other
I guess I'll go with inconclusive since they have fought several times and have never successfully taken out the other
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Inconclusive
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This is a loss for both of them. Arceus comes down and bodies them both again. But seriously though. They're canonically equal. This is the definition of a stalemate.
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I don't know whether this can be considered canon, but didn't Dialga in the movie damage one of Palkia's shoulder sphere things? So much so that Palkia ran way like a little pussy and cocooned itself to heal? I'm pretty sure if Dialga can inflict that kind of damage that quickly, I'd imagine if the fight hadn't been ended by that giant song tower, it would've won, right?
