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So before I begin, no this is not an attempt at removing Universal DMC from the site.
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Prior to this, Paradox made a section describing a prior demon god called Pluto as the one who split the human world and demon world in the first place. Following that, i made a thread recognizing that feat as a low multiversal feat. I was wrong.
Let me give you some context of the matter:
"When heaven and earth were rent asunder, a demon god with black horns emerged from the darkness. He hammered a giant spike into the earth so that heaven and earth would never again be split apart. To prevent the spike from removing itself, he chained the undying one to it, and cast an eternal seal.” (Heaven in this context is the demon world, and earth potentially refers to the whole human realm).
Paradox argues in his blog this being shown here is The Demon King slew in the past, described here:
While this does not name that god of evil as Pluto, we are shown a dragon called Pluto's Dragon on Mallet island seemingly serving Mundus. While kamiya's word can be seen as shaky, he also says to no to the notion of pluto being mundus
So who is pluto?
A certain passage noted down by a prophet in Devil May Cry 1 tells us this:
“Pluto shall come on the promised date and separate heaven and earth. One with black wings of treachery shall come and stand in Pluto’s way.
This is all we know about Pluto, he is a being seemingly fated to separate the realms and will be opposed by one with black wings of treachery. Kep and paradox make an effort to establish they are the same entity (manga entity who spiked the earth and pluto)
Issues
Dialogue differences in the manga description and game description:
Manga: “When heaven and earth were rent asunder, a demon god with black horns emerged from the darkness. He hammered a giant spike into the earth so that heaven and earth would never again be split apart. To prevent the spike from removing itself, he chained the undying one to it, and cast an eternal seal.”
Game: “Pluto shall come on the promised date and separate heaven and earth. One with black wings of treachery shall come and stand in Pluto’s way."
The manga Pluto wants to keep the worlds together. Game Pluto wants them separate. This is a narrative contradiction that further complicates the legitimacy of the separation in the manga being creditable to Pluto in the first place. It is quite likely the entity shown in the Manga simply isn't Pluto, given it is never stated to be him. But let me prove that:
First of all the passage in question in the manga is about Sparda. Sparda is named dropped on page, and the entity's design is the exact same the manga uses for Sparda:
Theses last two pages are back to back, talking purely about Sparda. As you can see the design matches almost 1 to 1 with how Sparda is shown earlier. The bigger issue though it is never confirmed Pluto or anyone else split the realms originally.
The manga only has this to say on the matter:
"The world was born from darkness. Unending darkness. A crucible of chaos. But even to that primordial existence there came a ray of light. The universe was eventually split in two. The darkness became the realm of demons... and the light became the domain of mortals."
The event just happened, with no further context. Even if you dont buy the entity in the manga being Sparda, it still isnt a feat:
"When heaven and earth were rent asunder, a demon god with black horns emerged from the darkness. He hammered a giant spike into the earth so that heaven and earth would never again be split apart. To prevent the spike from removing itself, he chained the undying one to it, and cast an eternal seal.”
Notice how the realms had already been rent asunder (split in two) by the time the demon god shows up, thus meaning he obviously didn't split the realms himself. All he does is cast a seal with his spike by tying a being to it, which sounds like hax/ a ritual of sorts.
With all this said, Pluto needs to be put at unknown. Its true it is stated he will eventually show up to split the realms, but we dont know how. We are told nothing of this feat, and it hasnt happened yet in canon.
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Prior to this, Paradox made a section describing a prior demon god called Pluto as the one who split the human world and demon world in the first place. Following that, i made a thread recognizing that feat as a low multiversal feat. I was wrong.
Let me give you some context of the matter:
"When heaven and earth were rent asunder, a demon god with black horns emerged from the darkness. He hammered a giant spike into the earth so that heaven and earth would never again be split apart. To prevent the spike from removing itself, he chained the undying one to it, and cast an eternal seal.” (Heaven in this context is the demon world, and earth potentially refers to the whole human realm).
Paradox argues in his blog this being shown here is The Demon King slew in the past, described here:
While this does not name that god of evil as Pluto, we are shown a dragon called Pluto's Dragon on Mallet island seemingly serving Mundus. While kamiya's word can be seen as shaky, he also says to no to the notion of pluto being mundus
So who is pluto?
A certain passage noted down by a prophet in Devil May Cry 1 tells us this:
“Pluto shall come on the promised date and separate heaven and earth. One with black wings of treachery shall come and stand in Pluto’s way.
This is all we know about Pluto, he is a being seemingly fated to separate the realms and will be opposed by one with black wings of treachery. Kep and paradox make an effort to establish they are the same entity (manga entity who spiked the earth and pluto)
Issues
Dialogue differences in the manga description and game description:
Manga: “When heaven and earth were rent asunder, a demon god with black horns emerged from the darkness. He hammered a giant spike into the earth so that heaven and earth would never again be split apart. To prevent the spike from removing itself, he chained the undying one to it, and cast an eternal seal.”
Game: “Pluto shall come on the promised date and separate heaven and earth. One with black wings of treachery shall come and stand in Pluto’s way."
The manga Pluto wants to keep the worlds together. Game Pluto wants them separate. This is a narrative contradiction that further complicates the legitimacy of the separation in the manga being creditable to Pluto in the first place. It is quite likely the entity shown in the Manga simply isn't Pluto, given it is never stated to be him. But let me prove that:
First of all the passage in question in the manga is about Sparda. Sparda is named dropped on page, and the entity's design is the exact same the manga uses for Sparda:
Theses last two pages are back to back, talking purely about Sparda. As you can see the design matches almost 1 to 1 with how Sparda is shown earlier. The bigger issue though it is never confirmed Pluto or anyone else split the realms originally.
The manga only has this to say on the matter:
"The world was born from darkness. Unending darkness. A crucible of chaos. But even to that primordial existence there came a ray of light. The universe was eventually split in two. The darkness became the realm of demons... and the light became the domain of mortals."
The event just happened, with no further context. Even if you dont buy the entity in the manga being Sparda, it still isnt a feat:
"When heaven and earth were rent asunder, a demon god with black horns emerged from the darkness. He hammered a giant spike into the earth so that heaven and earth would never again be split apart. To prevent the spike from removing itself, he chained the undying one to it, and cast an eternal seal.”
Notice how the realms had already been rent asunder (split in two) by the time the demon god shows up, thus meaning he obviously didn't split the realms himself. All he does is cast a seal with his spike by tying a being to it, which sounds like hax/ a ritual of sorts.
With all this said, Pluto needs to be put at unknown. Its true it is stated he will eventually show up to split the realms, but we dont know how. We are told nothing of this feat, and it hasnt happened yet in canon.
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