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Devil May Cry Discussion Thread 8

He came back from the dead at the beginning of 5, the game also confirms numerous times that Vergil was in fact dead and came back to life, we don't know how tho
 
I thought Vergil was stuck in hell after his and Mundus defeat with his body starting to decay due to Mundus corruption [Period: Anime to Post 4], he then resurfaced on earth, stole and used Yamato to split himself.
 
It's even in his profie:

It is revealed in Devil May Cry 5, years after his last encounter with Dante as Nelo Angelo, Vergil had survived and is now free from Mundus' control, but is very weakened as a result.

Surviving != Resurrecting
 
MarvelFanatic119 said:
Considering how vague it was on how and it never explicitly states he resurrected, just survived, I don't think that counts.
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I mean, they said that he was dead, he literally exploded from the inside out in DMC1, there is no way he "survived", he MUST have come back from the dead
 
Twellas said:
I mean, they said that he was dead, he literally exploded from the inside out in DMC1, there is no way he "survived", he MUST have come back from the dead
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He never explicitly states how he came back, he just survived and very weakened. Everyone "assumed" he died, he survived, simple as that. Not to mention with how weak he looked it's not applicable in combat at all.
 
If it was Resurrection, especially from being blown up, his body should be back to normal and not corrupted as shown when he first appeared since Mundus didn't control him, he was even dying.
 
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Nico confirming Dante killed Vergil in DMC

Nico confirms Vergil died in DMC1, Vergil's profile in dmc5 says absolutely nothing about survivng and if you played DMC1 you can clearly see that there is no way he could have survived because there was nothing left of his body, he was completely vaporized
 
She said he heard him killing Vergil, he thought he died too, but he was wrong as shown.

It also doesn't say anything about him resurrecting either.

If he could resurrect, why couldn't other demons do it too like Sparda?

Unless more details are explained about it, Vergil coming back can't really be labelled as Resurrection as the mechanics are unknown.
 
Nah, Nico mentions that Dante killed Vergil once right after I believe.

But yeah, resurrection shouldn't be put on Vergil's profile unless we know how exactly he came back, as he was still dying as shown with him saying "I'm running out of time..."

Someone who was resurrected wouldn't have to worry about dying again right?
 
Yeah doesn't say anything about resurrecting but you falsly claimed that it proved Vergil survived

No idea, but that's not proof at all of Vergil not being able to do that, not all demons have the same abilities

Vergil was stated to be dead by Nico TWICE, we saw him being completely vaporized in DMC1, we know that if he had survived that encounter (which he cannot have) he would have a different body, we know that mundus considered him dead when Dante beat him, everything points at him resurrecting, the only arguments you can make about him surviving is that he "was never stated to have resurrected" which is dumb because he was also never stated to have survived either
 
Technically Regenerationn works with it.

@Twellas But again, say it IS resurrection like you say, then why:

-Did he take so long to come back?

-Why was he still deformed and dying?

-Did he have help? Can he do it on his own?

-Other demons like Sparda not resurrect? What makes Vergil so different?
 
@Twellas

You can't expect to claim a character has an ability and then say "No idea" on how it works.

Considering someone's dead and that character actually being dead are not the same thing.

Nico got that by what Dante and the others told her, when they thought he was dead.

V says Vergil was "dying". Why would someone who can resurrect with their own power be worried about that?

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MarvelFanatic119 said:
Technically Regenerationn works with it.
@Twellas But again, say it IS resurrection like you say, then why:

-Did he take so long to come back?

-Why was he still deformed and dying?

-Did he have help? Can he do it on his own?

-Other demons like Sparda not resurrect? What makes Vergil so different?
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-Since when does resurrection have to be instantaenous to be considered such? If anything the wiki's definition of Resurrection is: " immortal because, whenever they die, they will simply reincarnate within another body or resurrect themselves at a later point in time."

-Since when does resurrection have to completely restore the resurrected's body? Again, nothing in the definition of type 4 immortality even mentions the user having to be in perfect health after resurrecting

-How am i supposed to know this? All we know is that he came back from the dead and he had no help that we know of, assuming he had help is a headcanon with no basis

-Why am i supposed to care if other demons can resurrect? and if you really wanna know Mundus resurrected at the beginning of DMC1, so yes, powerful demons can resurrect themselves


Saying that Vergil survived his DMC1 encounter with Dante requires infinitely more mental gymnastics than to just say he resurrected, the only hole in this thesis is that we don't know how he came back exactly
 
I don't think we should use Time Stop for Nero instead of Time Slow, honestly

The gameplay shows us that it is a Time Slow and this power comes from a Geryon, even Matt stated that is called Quicksilver, and we know that it just slows time

Maybe the trailer was showing another version of the gameplay that was changed after for X reasons, but the thing is I don't think we should use trailer gameplay instead of game gameplay

Nero also have Flight with Punch Line

Also we need to calc Dante's speed feats against Cavaliere, Reb got some since MHS+ feats from that fight, and maybe we can get Sub Rel
 
Then we can't put in his profile because we don't know if he could resurrect on his own. Simple as that.

It's the same with you assuming he did it on his own when there's no basis for it other than no one else saying they revived him.

Also Mundus didn't die, he was sealed away. Big difference.
 
Quicksilver is a move for Ragtime, which is basically a stasis bubble that slows the enemies. Its Break Age move arguably stops time.

Meanwhile the alternative title for Ragtime is Versatile Time Stopper, so it makes sense. And again, Matt called it a time-stopper, and it does stop time in the trailer.

On the other hand, we never saw it outside of gameplay, and Ragtime's Break Age only slows down time, which I'm more comfortable with writing off as a game mechanic.
 
you don't really have to perfectly know how a power works to say that someone has that power, if a character says that he can come back from the dead we can safely say that he has type 4 immortality despite us having no idea how it works, also there are a variety of reasons why Vergil wouldn't want to die again, one of which was also suggested by you: Maybe it takes him a fuckton of time to regenerate, or maybe he only had enough power to resurrect once, who knows Dante not being a reliable source of info would be relevant if we hadn't seen Vergil die with our own eyes
 
why exactly would you assume that Vergil had help in resurrecting when NOTHING AT ALL even remotely suggests it? at this point you are just headcanoning Also when V goes to Dante to ask for his help he says that "a powerful demon has RESURRECTED", he then procedes to name Vergil, not Urizen, so we basically have aconfirmation by Vergil himself that he resurrected
 
I don't think we should use Time Stop guys, since it really doesn't stop time at all, it only slows it

Game gameplay > Trailer gameplay

But...whatever
 
if Nelo was just Vergil's soul than it means tha Vergil pulled some Low-Godly to Mid-Godly regen out of his ass
 
Vergil didn't resurrect, that WAS Urizen. Vergil was literally not there until V and Urizen merged again. V is his human side and Urizen is his demon side.

You keep saying it's my "headcanon" when the same can be said for yours. Where does Vergil, not V or Urizen, say that he's resurrected? Where does it say he did it under his own power?

The burden of proof falls on you to tell us how he resurrected. If you can't give us an explanation then it can't be accepted, simple as that.
 
Oi you two, you want to bring that a*****lic discussion again like in pervious thread? Do that in trash can.

Last part is not serious btw lel, but i really want you (especially Twellas) to drop this discussion.
 
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